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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:06 AM
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Need links and response to this slurp email
The entire article was sent to me by some freeper. It goes on about NY and Mayor Guiliani and how the same thing did not happen in NY and I know the difference is the people could WALK out of the mess. But I would really like some other points. This email is going to fly around the internet.


Christopher Ruddy

Monday, Sept. 5, 2005

George Bush and the federal government are not to blame for the disaster we have witnessed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
In fact, the primary responsibility for the disaster response lies with New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco and other local officials.

Yet leading Democrats and their allies in the major media are clearly using this disaster for political purposes and ignoring one obvious fact.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/4/151327.shtml
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:20 AM
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1. See this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4644061

Also, Governor Blanco sent an urgent letter to the President on Sunday the 28th.

Also listen to Broussard's segment on MTP. You can find it on Crooks and Liars.

They can run but they can't hide. They're full of crap. Anyone who falls for this b.s. just proves they have no functioning brain cells.

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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:22 AM
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2. Does this mean the responsibility for 9/11 lies with Guiliani?
I'm so sick of hearing what a great job ++++ and Guiliani did after 9/11. Did either of them get their hands dirty helping? How easily the repubs try to shift the blame. Their logic is warped along with their philosophy/
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:23 AM
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3. There is no comparison. the towers were down an done in a few
hours. After that it was all clean up.

Not to mention that 9/11 was a few city blocks and the Gulf coast is hundreds of square miles.

The only comparison to be made is that in both cases bush ignored the problem until after Americans had needlessly died.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:31 AM
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4. You might compare what Bush did prior to three of last year's huricanes
with what Bush did prior to Katrina making landfall.

Hurricane Charley hit Florida on August 13 last year. The following is from a DHS press release that day.


Department of Homeland Security Prepares Response to Hurricane Charley

FEMA Public Affairs
Contact: 202-646-4600
August 13, 2004

With Hurricane Charley's 145 mile-per-hour winds impacting the Florida coast, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has pre-positioned personnel and supplies for rapid response to areas that will need emergency assistance from this Category 4 strength storm.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is coordinating activities along with other federal departments and respective state agencies. FEMA met its goal to have necessary emergency response teams and disaster relief supplies positioned throughout the southeast region earlier today in preparation for the anticipated response operations. More equipment and resources are being deployed from stockpiles nationwide.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and FEMA Director Michael Brown are maximizing readiness and response efforts for Hurricane Charley and have been in contact with Florida Governor Jeb Bush and other governors in southeast states that could be impacted by this dangerous storm.

FEMA's Mobile Emergency Response Services’ communication units from as far away as FEMA’s Denver, CO, regional office were mobilized to be in place prior to Hurricane Charley's landfall. These units are able to provide telephone, radio and video links in support of response and recovery efforts.

FEMA has activated and deployed Medical Management Support Teams such as MASH-type Disaster Medical Assistance Teams and Veterinary Medical Teams and has mobilized and pre-positioned first-responder urban search and rescue teams for possible service. Disaster medical teams have also brought extra supplies to ensure that the region's large elderly population’s needs are met.

Twenty semi-trailers containing cots and blankets, emergency meals, portable toilets, personal wash kits, sleeping bags, 6-8 person tents, plastic sheeting and roofing, bottled water and mid-range generators are being staged in Georgia for rapid deployment to Florida. FEMA has also deployed large sea containers with building materials for immediate home repairs.

. . .

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, at FEMA's request, has coordinated the deployment of ten truckloads of water and seven truckloads of ice to the Tampa area and has deployed sandbag teams and portable flood control levees to central and northern Florida.

. . .

The Department of Defense (DoD) is supporting FEMA's response effort with four military bases being used for mobilization and staging sites for response teams and supplies. DoD is also analyzing national aircraft assets from military and civilian agencies if additional aircraft are needed to transport response and recovery supplies.

. . .


http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3942

Most if not all of this was done prior to the hurricane making landfall.



And hurricane Frances hit Florida on Sunday, September 5 last year. This is from a September 6, 2004 White House press release:
. . .

As of noon Monday, in response to Hurricane Frances, FEMA and other Federal response agencies have taken the following actions:

About one hundred trucks of water and 280 trucks of ice are present or will arrive in the Jacksonville staging area today.

900,000 Meals-Ready-to-Eat are on site in Jacksonville, ready to be distributed.

Over 7,000 cases of food (e.g., vegetables, fruits, cheese, ham, and turkey) are scheduled to arrive in Winter Haven today.

Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMAT) are on the ground and setting up comfort stations. FEMA community relations personnel will coordinate with DMATs to assist victims.

Urban Search and Rescue Teams are completing reconnaissance missions in coordination with state officials.

FEMA is coordinating with the Department of Energy and the state to ensure that necessary fuel supplies can be distributed throughout the state, with a special focus on hospitals and other emergency facilities that are running on generators.

The Army Corps of Engineers will soon begin its efforts to provide tarps to tens of thousands of owners of homes and buildings that have seen damage to their roofs.

The National Guard has called up 4,100 troops in Florida, as well as thousands in other nearby states to assist in the distribution of supplies and in preparation for any flooding.

The Departments of Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and Defense together have organized 300 medical personnel to be on standby. Medical personnel will begin deployment to Florida tomorrow.

. . .

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040906-1.html


Most if not all of this was done prior to the hurricane making landfall.


And there also was this concerning Frances:

Michael Brown, director of FEMA, told CNN:
. . .

"We have poised right now to move into this state literally thousands of personnel, literally hundreds and hundreds of trucks, emergency rescue workers, urban search and rescue, medical teams."

FEMA spokesman James McIntyre said about 4,500 federal personnel are staged at various locations in Florida, Georgia and other states in Frances' path. More people are on call. FEMA deployed about 1,500 people in response to Charley, which hit southern and central Florida Aug. 13, McIntyre said.

. . .


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WEATHER/09/04/hurricane.frances /

In addition, last year Bush even had FEMA hire a political consultant to devise political public relations strategies concerning the response to hurricane Frances for FEMA and the Bush campaign.
. . .

But politics was foremost on the mind of FEMA consultant Glenn Garcelon, who wrote a three-page memo titled "Hurricane Frances -- Thoughts and Suggestions," on Sept. 2.

The Republican National Convention was winding down, and President Bush had only a slight lead in the polls against Democrat John Kerry. Winning Florida was key to the president's re-election. FEMA should pay careful attention to how it is portrayed by the public, Garcelon wrote in the memo, conveying "the team effort theme at every opportunity" alongside state and local officials, the insurance and construction industries, and relief agencies such as the Red Cross.

"What FEMA cannot afford to do is back itself into a corner by feeling it has to be the sole explainer and defender for everything that goes wrong," he wrote. "Further, this is not what the President would want. Plenty is going to go wrong, and his Department of Homeland Security does not want to assume responsibility for all of it."

Garcelon, a former FEMA employee, recommended that "top-level people from FEMA and the White House need to develop a communication strategy and an agreed-upon set of themes and communications objectives."

"Communication consultants from the President's re-election campaign should be brought in," he wrote. "Above all, everybody's got to understand that no amount of flogging DHS/ FEMA will insure that the recovery will go perfectly. This is going to be a huge mess. The public needs to be prepared for it."

. . .

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl-fema23mar23,0,5144922.story?coll=sfla-news-utility



And hurricane Ivan hit the gulf coast on Sunday, September 16, 2004 . This is from a September 16, 2004 Department of Homeland Security press release:
. . .

The following activities are taking place to prepare for Hurricane Ivan:


Homeland Security officials are fully coordinating preparations and are in constant communication with our federal partners, governors, and other state and local officials in possible affected states.

Currently, more than 5,000 FEMA personnel are in Florida and additional emergency response personnel have been deployed from the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Transportation, and the Department of Defense. FEMA’s Hurricane Liaison Team remains activated at the National Hurricane Center in Miami, Florida, to assist with advisories, information coordination and emergency evacuation activities. FEMA personnel continue to work with the victims of Hurricanes Charley and Frances while others have been repositioned to respond to state requests for assistance as a result of Hurricane Ivan.

FEMA is positioned to send emergency management personnel, supplies and equipment to those areas impacted most to ensure a rapid and effective response as soon as Hurricane Ivan passes. Critical commodities such as ice, water, meals and tarps are staged and ready for immediate delivery to residents in affected areas. The Army Corps of Engineers is standing by with 100 refrigerator trucks of ice and 500 trucks of water to meet immediate needs as part of the Hurricane Ivan response.

Two Urban Search and Rescue Teams are deployed in Florida with four additional teams en route to Alabama and Mississippi for immediate deployment if needed. Mobile Emergency Response Service communication units are also available to provide telephone, radio and video links in support of response and recovery efforts.

Four Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMAT) and Veterinary Medical Assistance Teams have been activated or deployed to sites in Florida, Georgia and Mississippi to support medical facilities and hospitals that are not fully operational following Hurricane Ivan. An additional seven teams have been placed on alert, assembling teams and loading equipment in case they are needed. The DMATs include doctors, nurses and medical technicians trained to handle trauma, pediatrics, surgery and mental health concerns. DMATs also bring truckloads of medical equipment and supplies with them.

Preparations are being made for Disaster Field Offices and Disaster Recovery Centers to be established in the hardest hit areas within 72 hours after a federal declaration. This will allow impacted residents to receive disaster assistance as soon as possible.

The U.S. Coast Guard has pre-positioned helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft to support response activities, closed all ports from New Orleans to the Florida panhandle and has established a temporary safety zone extending the entire width of the lower Mississippi River from mile marker 88 to 106 to help protect people and vessels from the potential safety hazards associated with Hurricane Ivan. The U.S. Coast Guard is also broadcasting hurricane advisories and warnings to mariners along the hurricane’s projected path and coordinating area harbor safety committees to prepare ports and minimize potential damage. Following the storm, the Coast Guard will assist with post-hurricane response and recovery operations to aid navigation assessment and repair, marine pollution response, search and rescue operations, and support to other agencies and humanitarian aid.

Aircraft from Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement will help transport FEMA officials to and from sites and will fly over the storm's path following landfall to collect high-resolution images for damage assessment. The remotely sensed data will allow FEMA to better target areas needing immediate disaster damage assessment.

The Department's Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection unit is assessing the vulnerabilities and potential impact to critical infrastructure located in the storm's projected path. Based upon these assessments, Homeland Security will be prepared to work with private sector partners and state and local government officials during the recovery phase.

Homeland Security is working with the American Red Cross and other volunteer agencies to ensure sheltering and critical needs are met immediately.

Citizen Corps Councils and national Citizen Corps affiliate organizations mobilized more than 2,000 volunteers and representatives from 45 states to provide disaster support in Florida communities affected by Hurricanes Charley and Frances. In addition, Citizen Corps Councils and volunteer members already established within Florida are supporting state coordinated disaster relief efforts and preparing for response to Hurricane Ivan. Citizen Corps will also be recruiting an additional 500 people nationwide to support disaster recovery efforts following Hurricane Ivan.

FEMA is working to provide multiple trailers full of generators at the request of Gulf Coast and inland states that will be used to provide power to critical facilities affected by the hurricane.

All the National Processing Service Centers (NPSCs) are fully staffed and ready to register and process disaster assistance applications immediately, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

. . .

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=43&content=4007&print=true

Most if not all of this was done prior to the hurricane making landfall.



In contrast, before Katrina hit, Bush declared parts of the gulf coast a federal disaster area to streamline claims for financial assistance from the government after the hurricane passed. I have been unable to find any information on the White House, DHS, or FEMA web sites concerning any other actions taken in advance of Katrina except for a press release stating that:

"FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures."


http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447


Shortly before Katrina made landfall, Bush also attended a fund raiser, played a guitar, and shortened one of his several annual vacations by a few hours.


That is a far cry from what Bush did in 2004. But 2004 was an election year, which may explain why Bush had FEMA hire that political consultant.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 12:58 AM
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6. This needs to be a topic of a new thread. I had no idea.
Charley and the other 3 last year hit AFTER Bush was "elected" to his second term.

Why was there no preparedness for Katrina?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 01:43 AM
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8. Kick
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LunaSea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:37 AM
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5. no comparison between these events.
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 11:38 AM by LunaSea
Guiliani simply did his job. If thats heroic, then woohoo! we're all heros. Cut us all a fat book and speaking tour check. He didn't loose his shit, and told everybody what was going on. Ray didn't loose his shit, and he told everyone what was going on, in worse conditions, with a much larger scale.

Granted, the attack on NY was unfamiliar territory.
We know what hurricanes look like, and we know what the response looks like.
We've seen them before.

Guiliani was also extremely lucky,
FEMA was already in town when they were needed.
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 01:35 AM
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7. 6 USC 317. The RW talking points are bullsh*t.
This is the text of 6 USC 317 (United States Code, also known as the LAW):

§ 317. Role of Federal Emergency Management Agency


Release date: 2005-05-18

(a) In general
The functions of the Federal Emergency Management Agency include the following:
(1) All functions and authorities prescribed by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.).
(2) Carrying out its mission to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards by leading and supporting the Nation in a comprehensive, risk-based emergency management program—
(A) of mitigation, by taking sustained actions to reduce or eliminate long-term risk to people and property from hazards and their effects;
(B) of planning for building the emergency management profession to prepare effectively for, mitigate against, respond to, and recover from any hazard;
(C) of response, by conducting emergency operations to save lives and property through positioning emergency equipment and supplies, through evacuating potential victims, through providing food, water, shelter, and medical care to those in need, and through restoring critical public services;
(D) of recovery, by rebuilding communities so individuals, businesses, and governments can function on their own, return to normal life, and protect against future hazards; and
(E) of increased efficiencies, by coordinating efforts relating to mitigation, planning, response, and recovery.
(b) Federal Response Plan
(1) Role of FEMA
Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall remain the lead agency for the Federal Response Plan established under Executive Order No. 12148 (44 Fed. Reg. 43239) and Executive Order No. 12656 (53 Fed. Reg. 47491).
(2) Revision of Response Plan
Not later than 60 days after November 25, 2002, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency shall revise the Federal Response Plan to reflect the establishment of and incorporate the Department.

******************************

F*** these RW talking points. Don't bother discussing them. Just show people the relevant laws. For the reading-challenged, it says that FEMA is responsible for LEADING emergency management and also specifically for EVACUATING POTENTIAL VICTIMS.

No wiggle room. No need to wait for exactly worded requests from state or local officials. That's as ridiculous as Idiot Son's claim that they couldn't stop 9-11 because they didn't have an exact time or place for the attack they knew was coming.

LEADERS TAKE CHARGE, GO AFTER MISSING INFORMATION, AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN!

:mad:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:10 AM
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9. Impeach Bush now
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