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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:08 PM
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Seeing people in rubble for days led to Bush 1's defeat in '92 -- History
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 07:21 PM by FULL_METAL_HAT

Partisan Politics and Incompetence Revelations


I think I found a hidden gem in what would seem a distraction. This thread titled of all things "Pre-Katrina Psyops plans for hurricanes" had a very interesting comment among its in fact non-foil recollections of a smart part of the military relief effort in '92. And I read the thing twice I was so stunned (and disappointed in a way;))

What this article really says is priceless: history repeating itself! And no matter which way you cut this cheese, it seems to come up roses!

Partisan politics may have been involved, since the Democratic Governor of Florida apparently hesitated before asking for federal aid. Three days passed between Andrew's assault and the arrival of federal help. Kate Hale, the Dade County emergency director, went on live national television on 27 August with tears in her eyes and castigated the federal government. Some of her comments were:

Now before you read the quotes which could have been from last week, take a look at the fallout and retardation, er, retortation from, ahem, George Bush (like padre like hijo...)

President George Bush contended that Florida Governor Lawton Chiles hadn't formally asked for help. Chiles countered that the need for a formal request seemed silly with the world watching images of 250,000 flattened homes.
<snip>

Nightly television news showed American citizens living among the rubble for days. The television anchors implied that the Federal Government did very little to ease their suffering.
<snip>

I have always believed that Hurricane Andrew was one of the major reasons that President George Bush failed to be reelected. "


History repeat thyself!

Incompetence is out of the bag for the people of this country...

Now read the quote from Nagin, er, Nagin'92(tm) ;)

Enough is enough. Quit playing like a bunch of kids. Where in the Hell is the cavalry? For God's sakes, where are they? We are going to have more casualties, because we are going to have more people dehydrated. People without water. People without food. Babies without formula. If we do not get more food into the south end of Dade County in a very short period of time, we are going to have more casualties!

We have a catastrophic disaster. We are essentially the walking wounded. We have appealed through the State to the Federal Government. We've had a lot of people down here for press conferences, but Dade County is on its own. Dade County is being caught in the middle of something and we are being victimized. Quit playing like a bunch of kids and get us aid! Sort out your political games afterward!

We are all about ready to drop, and the reinforcements are not getting in fast enough. We need better National Guard down here...President Bush was down here. I'd like him to follow up on the commitments he made.


This is the best thing I've EVER read about PSYOPS ... wow!

For the record I think the present administration should have had a an actual plan to deal with BOTH the disaster, and frankly the potential that the Democrats could use it to take them down. On both counts these jokers are showing the plumage colors in full force this september!

{B^)
Full_Metal_Hat

p.s. is this the silver lining in this hurricane?

<on edit, i was being a futurist, it was '92 :)>
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:12 PM
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1. well & true but we cannot get rid of bush, only repubs in congress.
course he could do the right thing and resign, and he has a long history of being a failure and having to be bailed out by someone else.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/impeachbush.htm
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:22 PM
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6. But Republicans are to blame and getting rid of them is a good thing.
Republicans squeezed government to the point of incompetency.

Republicans looted the budget and ran up deficits to fund foreign adventures.

Republicans let infrastructure crumble.

Republicans let protective wetlands wither and get swallowed up by development.

Republicans have the power in the Senate to approve nominees.

Republicans must be turned out of office whenever possible. No time like the present or this year or next.

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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:26 PM
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8. Come on ... we paid to be 'protected' ... this will not be disloged from
our collective memory.

You're 100% right Senor de La Paz!

The 'R-word' is about to be spelled M U D!

{B^) FMH
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:12 PM
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2. It was 1992, and to me, Hurricane Andrew, plus the LA riots earlier in May
following the 1st Rodney King verdict for the police officers involved, showed GHWB to be fucking clueless as to how regular, everyday people and poor people lived.

:smoke:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:14 PM
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3. Think it was '92 and the election was right around the corner.
We don't have a presidential til '08. Hopefully the memory will still be fresh next November for the congressional and local elections.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:18 PM
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4. did anyone save it to their hard drive?
unless I'm soing something wrong.. it is gone now.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:21 PM
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5. yes it was '92 :) , and what is gone now?
FMH
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:23 PM
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7. I had the url format wrong -- sorry! its back
for a second I thought it got yanked.

The irony being (i'm talking to you mods! :)) that it was the least foily and most cogent thing I've ever read about how the military, typically utilizing howitzers for their missions, actually has to remind themselves that sometimes you can use some kind words and smart thinking to succeed!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:27 PM
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9. The link
I'm being taken to a microsoft page/
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 08:14 PM
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10. Is it still not working?
The first link had an extra "http://" in front of it,
but I think he edited it.

Try these, both work for me:

The link to the thread "Pre-Katrina Psyops plans for hurricanes"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4650370

the link to the psywarrior.com
http://www.psywarrior.com/PSYOPHurricaneAndrew.html
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 10:09 PM
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11. It's working ... To me this is a slam dunk
To me this is a slam dunk ... its a repeat of history in a way these guys couldn't help but fall into.
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 08:45 PM
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12. Maybe a little kick will get some more feedback? :)
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 06:46 PM
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13. Maybe!
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