Dean is a sell-out because he won't say "asshole" or "motherfucker".

[LoZoccolo]

We've been betrayed again. When will we get our party back? :cry:

I'm tired of all this pussyfooting around the issue, someone needs to take Bush* to task NOW, and not this soft approach of saying something that simply brings up the issue and doesn't become a further distraction by sparking a dialogue in the media about politicians using curse words or getting red in the face. Just because you take Bush* to task and say the government failed people (which is as much as DLC Clinton did when he stood next to the neocons to try to help flood victims instead of throwing a fit and trying to get the media to cover that instead), doesn't mean you speak for me by AIDING and ABETTING Bush* by being "polite" and not saying "asshole" and "motherfucker".

Dr. Dean, there are seven words you can't say on television, and of those only one you have to avoid to prevent the posts from being locked when people quote you here I SUGGEST YOU USE THEM. :grr: :wtf:

_{NOTE: This post is sarcastic.}

[xultar]

1. So is Blanco, Pelosi, and all the other DINOS.

Keep in mind some of those posts may be freepfiltrators.

[BlueJac]

2. WTF

:wtf:

:sarcasm:

[lancdem]

3. God one

[mattclearing]

4. I know this is sarcastic, but if Dean called Bush...

an incompetent motherfucker, or a fucking loser, or a shiteating jackass, or any number of other things, not only would liberals everywhere cheer, but the media would echo it all over the world.

It would be like Bush's Adam Clymer comment on crack and steroids.

[Writer]

5. ROFL!

:rofl:

[graywarrior]

6. We all know that's the language that runs through their heads

They know their constituents talk that way..if they come here to DU they know it. Why not be honest about it.

[Dr Fate]

13. It would get more press, that is for sure. Worked for Nagin.

n/t

[skrunch]

7. I wholeheartedly fucking concur...

G.W.Bush is a callous, brain-dead, cretinous cocksucker who couldn't fucking organize a two-horse funeral if you spotted him the fucking hearse.



I'm Al Swearengen and I approved this fucking message.

[emulatorloo]

8. LOL n/t

:kick:

[madfloridian]

9. Agreed, there is no more common sense here at DU.

If we are not yelling we are sell-outs.

It is getting out of control.

[Dr Fate]

25. You dont have to "yell" when they lie. You just have to say "he is lying."

n/t

[Q]

10. Bullshit...no one is asking the Dem leadership to swear or act crazy...

...and I'm probably not the only one tired of your posts that assail rank and file Democrats for wanting their leadership to confront Bush on his blatant corruption, mismanagement and refusal to be held accountable for anything.

[Writer]

11. Q, on the contrary, I am relieved when I see calls for reasonability n/t

[LoZoccolo]

16. DU members are not your typical rank-and-file Democrats.

Most people do not spend as much time watching politics or spend so much time on the Internet, for one.

I actually think that's the crux of the problem, people thinking that everyone else thinks like them and that politicians should cater to their own tastes as a result.

[ulysses]

32. this is such a common refrain.

I'm not saying it isn't true, but just who *are* these rank-and-file Democrats?

[Dr Fate]

39. I can tell you that they all talk and ask the same questions as DUers.

At least the ones in GA, SC and CA.

[ulysses]

55. that's been my experience as well.

This has been a huge relief to me - I'd hate for someone to get the idea that I'm some radical lefty. ;-) :hi:

[Q]

34. You're like a broken record...

...and can't seem to resist parroting the talking points of the DLC. They also insist that 'internet activists' don't in any way represent the 'real world'. What the hell is this supposed to mean?

Why would our ideals and desires be different from any other Democrat, human being or American? Spending time on the internet doesn't make us any different than anyone else...just perhaps better informed.

These threads are meant as nothing more than a distraction from the real issues that confront every Democrat...every American. The REAL issues:

Our country has been taken over by fascists

They have installed an 'imperial' president

Certain Democrats are complicit and protecting BushCo

The DLC is spreading the propaganda that 'internet activists' don't represent 'real people' in an effort to discredit them and take away their voice and impact.

[LoZoccolo]

35. Internet activists don't even represent real-life activists, I find.

I've found through my experience with Illinois Dem Net that the people who actually do stuff are much more anchored than people who toss ideas around in a message board with little or no consequence in the real world. Talking becomes the entire game on the Internet, so pressing harder or scoring points in an environment where all people do is talk amounts to saying more and more exaggerated things, such as the idea that Clinton is in bed with the neocons. Plus I think the self-imposed impotence of sitting around complaining makes people feel more desperate, so they start off on more desperate rhetoric and the cycle continues and/or escalates.

Don't get me wrong, an Internet message board can be a great tool for people who actually do stuff, and can spread useful information...it's the people who graze here that I'm talking about.

[Dr Fate]

38. Which non-internet DEMs would not like some straight talk about Bush lies?

Who are these people?

I've done local party & DNC work in 3 states- and they all talk pretty much like DUers.

[LoZoccolo]

40. None, but that wasn't my point. n/t

[Dr Fate]

42. Well, it is my point. So why cant they do it then?

???

[LoZoccolo]

52. Why can't they do what?

You said:

Which non-internet DEMs would not like some straight talk about Bush lies?

Who are these people?

I said:

None, but that wasn't my point.

You said:

Well, it is my point. So why cant they do it then?

But I don't see where you are asking them to do anything.

[Q]

44. What makes you different...

...from the RWing Clones that defend Bush no matter what he does or doesn't do? Call it what you will...but it's nothing more than blind loyalty to politicians that haven't earned it.

The Democratic leadership has failed us by not doing their jobs or honoring their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. Stop making excuses for them ignoring the rule of law. Quit pretending that they're NOT allowing Bush to escape justice and accountability.

We must clean up our own house...for the sake of our party and country. The Democratic party is all that stands in the way of Bush's imperial presidency. If we can't pull off being a real loyal opposition...every American will suffer.

[LoZoccolo]

53. It is not blind loyalty...

...to observe that people are blowing something way out of proportion and being counterproductive by putting down Clinton for raising funds for hurricane victims next to the Bushes. If people blew up because Clinton wore a red tie, and red is the color of the red states, I would not be a clone to point out that that was stupid.

[ulysses]

56. ah yes, the internet activists.

10/6/02. http://www.newtonsbaby.com/protest/

[Dr Fate]

12. How about "Bush should go under oath and answer some questions"?

No one said he needed to act like an idiot- but he does need to go on TV and call Republicans who blame the mayor "Liars"- to their faces.

He also needs to itemize all the "lies" (And use that word) that Bush has told since he caused this tradgedy.

Has Dean gone on any TV shows at all?

[bearfan454]

20. He would just lie some more.

[Dr Fate]

21. Good. That would be impeachable by their own standards.

I think DEMs needs to demand this.

[babyk]

14. I was going to say the same thing

but I'm new here, and don't know how sarcasm plays out.

[mattclearing]

23. It plays out just fine, and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[sendero]

15. More apologia...

... in the form of crude sarcasm. Must suck to have to continually make excuses.

[Inland]

17. And I also demand the same bad grammar, misspellings common here.

[Dr Fate]

24. No, they can go on TV and refute Bush's lies using correct english.

Or, they can sit back and let Rove define all the issues- which he seems to be doing well.

[Inland]

18. Hillary REFUSES to flick boogers at Babs Bush! Fucking DLC!

If she wants to represent ME, she had better start flicking boogers! Governor Dean would flick boogers, and the only reason HIllary won't flick boogers is because she's a DLC corporate stooge!

[Dr Fate]

22. Or they could just go on TV and refute all the lies being told...

...and defend the Democratic governor & mayor of NOLA- and for once, not let Rove define all the issues.

Wow- how radical.

[Inland]

37. Yeah, they should have radio or tv programs.

After all, if they can't serve the highest possible purpose of undertaking the vitrolic rant suitable for an anonymous venter on an internet board, they can serve the second highest possible purpose of being media personalities.

But before that, they are being undercut BY (self declared) DEMOCRATS who say that their sole purpose and intent in life is not helping America and getting reelected. They'll have TONS of credibility, won't they?

And let's all realize that there isn't any more effective definition of issues than defining all democrats as self interested politicos who only open their mouths for the purpose of gaining higher office.
So who needs Rove when you can get that on DU every day?

How's about a Democratic forum actually backing Democrats? It may not be radical, but it is a good idea anyway.

[Dr Fate]

41. They could go on TV and tell the blunt, unvarnished truth about Bush.

And back it up with facts. That is all I'm saying.

They could ask Republicans to their faces- "Why do you refuse to investigate Bush for (Insert scandal here)- what are you all hiding this time?"

etc, etc, etc

I dont understand why that is such a bad idea.

[Inland]

43. Pft. You are joking, of course.

That's not what the Clinton dissers on DU want. They do want the booger flicking and the cursing. They don't want Clinton to help get hurricane relief. They want BC to spit in Bush's, verbally if not literally.

And when Clinton didn't do that, well, it was because ALL CLINTON CARES ABOUT IS GETTING HILLARY ELECTED. Because Clinton isn't a booger flicking ranter, he gets the same hatred that he gets over at the freeper's place.

Of course, one has to wonder about the point of undermining Clinton as a self centered anti american evil shit the same time that he is supposed to be setting an example.

Methinks people had better fucking grow up.

[Dr Fate]

45. I defended Bill Clinton- search my posts if you must.

So no, I'm not kidding. I would LOVE to hear some blunt, unvarnished truth from DEMs on TV.

[Inland]

58. Pelosi, perhaps?

Didn't she give Bush a shot right between the eyes?

Didn't she not only tell us that she asked Bush to fire Brownie, but told us of his reaction? What did she call it?

I'll have to do a search, but if there is ONE congratulatory post to her for FIVE bitching about the DLC/Corp/Clintons and pretending that they are humping Bush's leg, I'll eat my hat.

[Dr Fate]

60. I love what she said. I need more. Much more.

We could ALL use more blunt truth telling like Nancy gave us.

The question now is- which DEMs are going to go on TV and back her up?

[Inland]

61. Dick Durbin. And this just from looking at Latest threads.

See, in reality you are getting plenty of tough reaction.

But the OP's point is perfectly valid, and the next fifty posts I see where supposed "democrats" tell us that Clinton husband or wife is only doing or not doing it for a presidential election, I'm going to invite them to their friends in freeperland. It's right up there with the threads that pretend there isn't any difference between democrats and republicans on any particular issue for sheer destructive obtuse yammering.

[Dr Fate]

62. I dont care if they are doing it to get elected...

...so long as they are doing it.

And just to be clear, by a reaction from DEMs, I mean somthing that is ON TV where everyone can see it, not "letters" , "releases" or in emails that are soliciting donors.

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Inland]

59. OMG--I've been noted on multiple threads.

Whatever.

[demzilla]

19. Maybe he could say "Aaaaaaaauuuughhhhh!"????? NT

[Usrename]

26. Somebody should speak up.

Grow a set.:grr:

[txaslftist]

27. What's the one word? curious.

[LoZoccolo]

28. The c-word. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

29. Conservative?

(innocent look)

[txaslftist]

30. Really? I would have figured the N word.

Who knew "colostomy" was so offensive?

[Guaranteed]

48. Cocksucker? nt

[LoZoccolo]

54. No, but that one would be forbidden too, I missed that.

So there are two words of the seven you can't say on DU.

[JVS]

31. LOL

[ClassWarrior]

33. Wow! Virtuoso performance of the DUDQ!!

Bravo!! Bravo!! Author!! Author!!

:applause:

NGU.

[Dr Fate]

36. You would be standing on your chair & cheering if Dean did this.

And saying "See- DEMs do have a back bone- stop saying they are not fighting."

Has he been on TV refuting Bush's lies this week at all- curse words or not?

[madfloridian]

46. See my post in LBN just now.

He said racism played a role.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1761948

[Dr Fate]

47. Now they need to say it ON TV while everyone is watching.

Most folks dont read that website. But EVERYONE is watching TV now.

When they do speak out, it never seems to be on TV, but in front of "the choir" who already knows this stuff.

[killbotfactory]

49. I DEMAND HE CHALLENGE BUSH TO A DUEL AT NOON

ANYTHING LESS IS A BETRAYAL

[Dr Fate]

51. I'd rather him just go on TV and point out the lies Bush is telling.

n/t

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50. that is our jon