I Need to physically SEE and HEAR and ALL Democrats smack down Bush lies.

[Dr Fate]

I don't need to read about it on DU, I don't need to read about it on a low-traffic official website. I don't need to read it in solicitations for campaign money.

I want VIDEO and AUDIO of top, famous, "star" Democrats with media access, ON TV, refuting all these lies- and using the word "lie."

I need to see Democrats, ON TV, calling Bush spin on this "lies."

I need to see Democrats, ON TV, demanding investigations NOW, and demanding that they be "under oath"

I need to see Democrats ON TV, saying "This blame game talking point is more lying- Bush and that traitor Karl Rove do not want to answer the tough questions- Bush may take month long vacations, but his is not a game to us or the families who demand answers. Why do you media people still repeat Rove's talking points, after all the times he has lied to you?"

EVERYONE is watching TV this week- the time is ripe.

Can we stop with the excuses? People at work are repeating all this "school bus" and "local control" BS already- and why should they not? They have yet to see a DEM go ON TV set it straight. If I try to bring up previous Bush lies to bolster my case, they have never heard DEMs talking about those lies on TV either. (DSM is a prime example)

Why are DEMS with media access once again giving that TRAITOR Karl Rove time to formulate spin & counter hoaxes? Did they not learn fromthe last HUNDRED times?

Who here at DU would not stand up, cheer and open their check books if DEMs did this?

Who thinks this would actually turn off swing voters or whatever their excuse has been?

I call & write the DEMs all the time- do they really need to hear from ME to understand these plain, common sense tactics?

I dont know why waste my time- when can the "star" Democrats go ON TV and respond to lies & accusations against them like NORMAL PEOPLE????

[corkhead]

1. look at this milquetoast response to a letter I sent "Democratic"Senators

I haven't formulated my reply yet, but it is going to rhetorically ask "why was it I voted for you"?

Thank you . . .

..for contacting me about the destruction caused by Hurricane
Katrina in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. I share your sense of
urgency and agree that we must address this crisis immediately.

FEMA, working with state and local governments, is moving
swiftly to bring relief to Hurricane Katrina's victims. I am pleased
that the Michigan National Guard has sent the 1776th MP
Company, the 1434th Water Purification Detachment, and the 46th
MP Company to the region to assist with relief and security efforts.

The Senate has already convened in a special session and approved
$10.5 billion in immediate aid for the affected areas. As the
evacuation and rebuilding process continues, I will monitor the
situation closely and will support additional funding as it is
needed.

America is strongest when we come together to help our neighbors
in need. Visit my website (http://www.stabenow.senate.gov) to get
more information about how you can help, including links for
volunteers and donations.

I firmly believe in the strength and resilience of the American
people, and am confident that together we will help the
communities affected by Hurricane Katrina get through this crisis.
Please join me in keeping the victims of this disaster in your
thoughts and prayers.


Sincerely,
Debbie Stabenow
United States Senator

Lame.

[Dr Fate]

2. That DEM must agree that it is the local government's fault.

They seem to think the Federal response was great.

They did not adress the failed response- so that is the only conclusion voters can draw.

[corkhead]

3. my letter was SPECIFICALLY about the failed response

her response came out of a can. what a disappointment. She also voted for the bankruptcy bill. I am not sure she will have my vote next year. I don't see much reason to. here is the letter that garnered her response:

Dear Senator Stabenow,
If it wasn't already obvious, it is now. Bush is a proven incompetent. What are you and other Democrats going to do to rescue this country from this failure of a President and his policies. His terrible response to the hurricane is deplorable. When are you and other Democrats going to stand up to this cabal and become an opposing party? For the sake of our country, this clown needs to be removed from office.

You tell me. Do you think her response was appropriate for the letter I sent?

Democrat my ass!

[Dr Fate]

4. The DEM "strategists" who lost the last 3 elections have spoken.

Telling the truth about Bush "makes us look like Micheal Moore and that crazy lady, Cindy Sheehan."

[tkmorris]

28. Debbie Stabenow is pretty useless

IMHO anyway. By the way, nice avatar :)

[OneTwentyoNine]

29. Yup,sounds like a canned letter to me.....

Don't you love all that touchy-feely BS when these people run for office? Yeah...their door is always open,please call or email. I'll ALWAYS be here for my constituents.

When you do you get a response it answers NONE of your questions,just a quick overview or the situation at hand. Really,does ANYONE still wonder why we lose election after election??

[Gloria]

5. I called for something like this, too, as the spin machined revved up...

A concerted, unified effort to paint this jackass for what he is: a liar.

That's the word I want to hear about him and his whole administration--
They are all LIARS.

And they should graphically put out the big picture, how they are hurting everyone in America except the rich.

I don't care if they have to read Al Gore's acceptance speech from 2000 or cut and paste his Move On speeches....they are the most passionate and DIRECT I can think of at the moment, which paint the dire situation we're in.

[Dr Fate]

6. The sad thing is, I KNEW the DEMs would respond this way...

...or should I say, fail to respond.

And DUers, please, dont defend DEMs by showing me some fucking letter someone wrote- show me TV clips.

EVERYONE is watching Network & cable TV this week- people dont read letters & press releases- or watch CSPAN.

[Q]

9. I guess you didn't get the memo...

...you're supposed to give cash to candidates you don't believe in, vote even though your ballot may not be counted, show 'unity' by supporting Dems working against the party's best interests and shut the hell up and don't complain.

The 'new' Democrats are in control now and they're calling the shots. No more of that messy democracy stuff with citizens participating in government. It's all about winning, kissing Bush's ass and filling those campaign coffers with corporate loot.

[TankLV]

25. Hah!

[texastoast]

7. You are right

Where the hell is Patrick Henry when we need him? Those dems need a little fire in their bellies and to stop this damned shilling.

[KoKo]

8. Dr. Fate....our M$M is still controlled. That it's pushing "Taser Bernie

Kerik" shows that except for one brief "moment of compassion" they are still getting the marching orders and talking points from the Bush Crime Family.

We are OUT OF POWER...GET IT? Now...if you want to talk about why former President Clinton is "embedded" with the Poppy Bush Boat Cruise, the Bush Parents while his wife does the "Bad Cop" to Bill's "Good Cop" song and dance...then I can talk to you.

:sarcasm:

[Dr Fate]

10. Who is banning Hillary, Kerry, Dean etc from interview & debate shows?

???

And how does your excuse explain the DEM letter in post #2?

[Q]

11. The Republicans were once 'out of power'...

...and they never had a problem confronting Democrats on EVERY issue.

We already know the media is controlled by the Bushie GOP. But that doesn't mean we can't use that media to get out our message if we're smart about it. As we've seen in the past...the media WILL cover what the Democratic leadership has to say...IF they have something to say.

There is something else going on here beneath the surface. The Democratic leadership is too quiet...as if they're afraid to speak out. I hope to God that's the case...because another conclusion is that they're working WITH Bush behind the scenes on a shared agenda.

I've just about had it with the 'sarcasm' from the Apologists who insist that Democrats should be silent as Bush destroys our country.

[Dr Fate]

12. They called Clinton & Gore "liars" every single day- ON TV.

And it stuck too- repition works.

[KoKo]

13. Our Democrats who scream "Liars" are promptly routed, family is threatened

Anthrax is promised.

However, Pelosi did speak up today saying Bush is "dangerous."

Media Whores.......what are they doing?

I had to turn the Media off today except for about 20 minutes of the Big Whore Matthews...and that had me gagging so bad I couldn't deal anymore.

But "Q" has a point...how did the Repugs manage to do so much with so little.

I might differ a little with "Q" on this (although I'm with him in most else) in that the Repugs have NOW gotten their Criminal Family in line and they are going for Big GAME...these days. They've been practising it since Nixon and we've never had such a weak group of Democrats in my lifetime which stretches back to Kennedy. :shrug;

We are dealing with Criminals here. This is just "Politics as Usual" these are Criminals and our Media is in Lockstep with them, our Corporations are in Lock Step with them. They are like Hitler...if one goes back and reads about his rise and the Nazi's and his supporters who stayed with him....always with their fingers in their ears going Nyaaaa....Nyaaaaa...saying he's a Strong Leader...He's in charge.

Even his own Generals who defected and tried to kill him with a bomb couldn't succeed. We need help here...We need mega help. :-(

[Dr Fate]

15. I have never heard Kerry or Dean make the charge you just made.

If bush is threateneing kerry with Anthrax, then he needs to say so.

Until he does, I'll assume that is another lame-ass excuse.

[KoKo]

17. OFGS...you didn't even read my post...

I think better of you than you would spout .."Robot Speak." I shouldn't have wasted my time.

[Dr Fate]

20. No I read it- I'm tired of the "They will send us Anthrax" BS

If you were being sarcastic, then my bad.

I dont know what you mean by Robot-speak.

Sorry for wasting your time here at theis message board.

[KoKo]

21. Here's an article with some of what they said today..

And, after this article was written, Durbin came out and called for Brown and Chertoff's resignation. The article is written so that it kind of downplays the importance, but since they have no power and a Rambo hasn't come on the scene, I guess this is the best we can hope for.

BTW, I apologize for my snarky reply to you, it was uncalled for....:-)'s Peace!


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050907/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_politics

Dems Blast Bush Over Hurricane Response

By TOM RAUM, Associated Press WriterWed Sep 7, 7:16 PM ET

Democrats, divided over President Bush's handling of Iraq, are coming down hard on his administration's response to Hurricane Katrina.

Some of the harshest words are coming from 2008 presidential hopefuls. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York ridiculed relief coordinator Michael Brown's suggestions. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards said the hurricane's aftermath underscores the "two Americas" theme of his presidential campaign last year.

"It's piling on time," said Rutgers University political scientist Ross Baker.

Democrats, ready with talking points and working closely, went into full battle mode Wednesday.

Clinton sought an independent commission to study the response and made the rounds of four network morning television shows, taking on Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"I would never have appointed such a person. I would imagine, I don't think that anybody would. You would appoint somebody who has experience," Clinton told CBS.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada pressed for a broad investigation that would explore questions such as "How much time did the president spend dealing with this emerging crisis while he was on vacation?"

His House counterpart, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., renewed her call for Brown's dismissal. "There were two disasters last week: first, the natural disaster, and second, the man-made disaster, the disaster made by mistakes made by FEMA," she said.

She told reporters she had urged Bush in person at the White House on Tuesday to fire Brown.

"Why would I do that?" Pelosi quoted the president as saying.

White House counselor Dan Bartlett challenged Pelosi's account as "inaccurate and unfortunate."

As a party, Democrats had spoken with different voices on Iraq. Some Democrats — including Clinton, Edwards and 2004 presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts — had voted to support the Iraq war resolution in October 2002.

Many Democrats were careful in their criticism of Bush's handling of Iraq so as not to appear to undermine U.S. troops or encourage the insurgency.

Democrats also were reluctant to criticize the president as the nation rallied behind him after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

[Dr Fate]

23. Thanks- good night.

:)

[karynnj]

27. Another article on Democrats speaking out

that has some fuller quotes - This is written by Nagourney, who was very biased (against the Democrats) last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08democrats.html

[mtnsnake]

53. I'm with you. Not only am I tired of these "anthrax" excuses, but

I'm tired of the excuses that run prevalent on this board like how "it's all MSM's fault", when the truth of the matter is just like how you presented it in your OP.

Until our so-called Democratic leaders step up and use the L word...call Bush a LIAR in public like Cindy Sheehan did....MSM has no reason to cover their sorry asses. I've done similar threads, only to have naysayers come on and say it's all MSM's fault.

Howard Dean just in the last day pointed the finger of blame and said that people in the hurricane stricken areas were unfairly being shunned because of race or class. Well, Howard spoke up, and MSM is all over it. It was at the top of CNN's headline news. Kudos to Howard for speaking up and news of his speech is proof that MSM will cover it if someone speaks up. Trouble is, no one but Howard and a few others have the guts to. And no one has called Bush a liar yet. I don't blame MSM at all. Give them something to talk about and they will.

Nominated!

[glitch]

55. Repugs out of power in congress didn't make them not own the media

"the Repugs manage to do so much with so little"
Owning the media is not SO LITTLE.

The idea that the repugs could make points (ad nauseaum) using the media when they were out of power, so why can't the dems -- DEMS DON'T OWN THE MEDIA, REPUGS DO, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS.

This tirade isn't directed at you Koko, but at everyone use uses this talking point.

[KoKo]

19. It falls on the deaf ears like rain from the roof...and it drips and yet

it passes. It's not remembered nor noted...it falls and drips and no one thinks there's something there to pay attention to...unless it profits them.

[LoZoccolo]

14. It's not all about you. n/t

[Dr Fate]

16. You would be standing on your chair & cheering if they all did this.

So you are right, it's not just about me.

[LittleClarkie]

22. actually, if they all did this, some folks here would STILL be saying

"Where are the Democrats!? Why aren't they saying anything?!" I reckon.

I'm just sayin'.

(I don't mean you)

[KoKo]

18. It's about ALL OF US "LoZoccolo" It's about ALL of US...n/t

[Q]

26. I'm seriously trying to understand your point of view...

...and why you're defending the idea of Democrats hiding while Bush rapes and plunders.

This is NOT the way a Democracy is supposed to work.

Perhaps you haven't noticed...but the US now has an 'imperial' presidency with a rubber stamp congress and corrupt judicial system. The Democratic party has become irrelevant and Democrats are ridiculed and scorned by both sides whenever they attempt to point out these facts.

It's understandable why the Right wants to keep things this way...but why would Democrats want a one-party state...especially if it doesn't include them?

This is why Bush so desperately wants John Roberts to head HIS court. Roberts believes in an imperial presidency. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/090605.html

[LoZoccolo]

30. That's not my point of view. n/t

[Q]

31. But then....

...all you seem to be able to come up with is ridicule and 'funny' posts that make light of people's concerns about their own party and government.

And if I'm wrong...just tell me...but these types of posts seem to always come from DLCers or those who have supported them in the past. I find this is more than a coincidence since the DLC seems to think they're in control of 'our' party these days.

Is this actually a defense of the DLC and their 'strategy' to let Bush get away with everything?

[LoZoccolo]

32. No. n/t

[Nikki Stone 1]

24. I loved this post and am in total agreement.

kicked and nominated.

[sendero]

33. How could anyone disagree?

With your assessment? It is EXACTLY mine also.

I'm so FUCKING SICK of getting EMAIL after EMAIL from our "LEADERS", preaching to the fucking choir - waxing indignant but carefully parsing their words.

If it isn't on TV, it DIDN'T HAPPEN. A Senator with something forceful and interesting to say WILL GET AIR TIME.

But we don't have any of them. So far, Hillary (knock me over with a feather) is the only one of them to get out in front of the bullshit lies and spin. If she keeps it up, I might change my mind about her.

But the rest of them are merely reinforcing the view of them I've developed over the last 2-3 years - they are simply pathetic, not capable of fighting the Rovian machine, not interested in doing jack shit but sending me another bullshit email asking me for money.

YOU'LL GET MY FUCKING MONEY WHEN YOU DO YOUR FUCKING JOB. The pukes are laying on the mat and you are counting to 1,000. Sometimes, I just don't get it, I really don't.

[ArkDem]

34. Good luck with that.

[snot]

35. The only response to bullying that works is to STAND UP them and

let them know CLEARLY and UNMISTAKABLY that we are not going to let them get away with ONE INCH.

The neocons are not motivated by any consideration other than, what can they get away with. If they can get away with it, they think it must have been a divine right.

[emulatorloo]

36. Fresh DU Thread: Why the hell did CNN cut off Harry Reid's press conferenc

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4694934

[LandOLincoln]

37. You need to shut up. You need to do it now.

Anyone who can't see that our people can't get shit on the MSM-- unless they say something REALLY STUPID and/or REALLY INFLAMMATORY--is too damn stupid to be a Democrat.

You're a good man, Dr. Fate--at least I think you are--but this schtick of yours is beyond old.

[Dr Fate]

40. So how did Hillary & Obama get on TV in the past couple of days?

I hope no one sends them anthrax!!!

Gosh mabye you are right- lets shut up and not let Rove cdefine all the issues- we would not want Sean Hannity to say mean things about us.

[Dr Fate]

41. So how did Hillary & Obama get on TV in the past couple of days?

I hope no one sends them anthrax!!!

Gosh mabye you are right- lets shut up and not let Rove define all the issues- we would not want Sean Hannity to say mean things about us.

[Dr Fate]

43. WRONG- Hilary has appeared on FOUR network shows recently.

And Obama was on Larry King.

[sendero]

49. You say...

..."INFLAMMATORY" like its a bad thing. The pukes have perfected inflammatory to a fine art, and that is one of the reasons they get their message out.

INFLAMMATORY is perfectly appropiate in the face of this outrage. Whimpering in the corner is not.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

38. Okay, and where is this brand new unbiased media you speak of?

You know, the one that's actually going to report what Dems do and say?

[Dr Fate]

42. How did Hilary & Obama get those TV interviews in the past couple of days?

Was Larry King holding a gun to Obama from under the table?

And according to an article posted on this very thread, Hillary has appeared on FOUR- count 'em- FOUR network shows.

So your conspiracy theory/excuse that DEMs have been banned from TV shows is just not true.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

44. Hillary is the "Presidential nominee" and Obama is the "rising star"

I'm sorry, but I don't see any other non leader (read: not Reid, Pelosi, or Dean) or non-Louisianan getting exposure any time soon unless they say or do something outrageous.

[Dr Fate]

45. They are playing Pelosi's "outrageous" quote on TV too.

So if they need to make "outrageous" (Truthful & blunt) statements to get on TV, then that is fine by me.

I think all of Bushs lies are "outrageous" and if we need to say "outrageous" rebuttals to those lies, then fine.

Who is banning Dean or John Kerry from TV shows- dont they have an interest in setting Bush's lies straight?

If it takes the "star" Democrats who do indeed have media access to tell the truth about Bush, then that is fine.

You would be standing on your chair & cheering if DEMs were on TV saying things similar to waht I posted- so dont hand me these excuses.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

46. No, they don't have an interest in setting Bush's lies straight.

You think General Electric, which owns NBC, MSNBC, and military industrial complex subsidiaries, doesn't have a vested interest in protecting Republicans?

You think Rupert Murdoch cares about the truth? Disney, which gets tax breaks from Jeb Bush, you think they care?

I'm not arguing your points, I'm arguing that there ARE MANY Democrats doing exactly what you're talking about. They're just not getting any coverage and they're not going to. They put on Hillary and Obama pretty much because they have to. And yeah, they should be stronger in their rhetoric, but they've both decided that playing nice will help them win a Presidential election somewhere down the road, which not coincidentally is why networks DO pump them up in the first place.

You make it seem like none of our party's elected officials are saying anything, but they are. No one is getting to see it though.

[Dr Fate]

47. Kerry & Dean do not have an interest in debunking Bush lies?

Because that is what I asked.

Who is banning Dean & Kerry from TV interview & debate shows? Will Wolf Blitzer be holding a gun to them when they go on saying "If you dare refute a Bush lie- or use that word- its CURTAINS!!!"

Dispite the excuse/conspiracies on DU-we have established that Obama and Hill are indeed "allowed" on TV shows- so now I'd like to see Dean & Kerry.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

48. They both do. They both have. And they're not "banned", just not invited

They are not getting press. Period.

I don't know what makes you think these guys have an open invitation to go on any news show they want at any time.

[Dr Fate]

50. I've never heard them say they have been refused when they asked.

I've heard the exact opposite- that US Senators do indeed have the contact info for shows and do indeed call the booking people to get slots on those shows.

I've seen Dean on those TV shows about 10 times just in the past few months- so I know he is "allowed on."

If Kerry & Dean are really being refused airtime - then they need to speak up and point this out instead of leaving us guessing.

I've never heard David Brock talk about "star" DEMs being banned from shows either.

[Dr Fate]

51. Feel free to contribute to this thread- I'd like to clear this up:

I am asking for folks to back up what they are saying with links as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4696949

[LandOLincoln]

52. Exactly. Dr. Fate has been excoriating our Dem leaders

for some time now, as if any of them could get MSM airtime anytime and anywhere they have something they want to say.

Now he claims Hillary and Obama as proof of his thesis.

I say they prove just the opposite.

[Jai4WKC08]

56. Agree with you, Land

Wes Clark blasted Bush Tuesday at that terrorism conference, as he has been all week in the blogosphere. C-SPAN was supposed to carry it. Cut coverage a half hour before Clark was scheduled to speak.

Steve Clemons, the guy hosting the conference, says that it's on tape and will be aired later... maybe this weekend? But I haven't seen it pop up on the schedule yet, and if it does, well... let's just see if Clark's barn-burner gets included, shall we?

The MSM (and remember, C-SPAN is owned by them) puts Clinton and Obama on because they know they'll tow the line. They had Pelosi on CNN just a little bit ago, but I'm thinking because they expect to be able to portray her as extremist and irrational--that was certainly the talking point for what she said yesterday--and they will try to make her fight against the current proposal for a Repub dominated investigation look obstructionist.

[IndyOp]

39. Important! New Orleans and the Demise of the Democrats

The Black Commentator Speaks For Me:

"The entire country is facing the plight of the people of New Orleans, coping with the dangers of Republican hell and Democratic high water. One party is proud of its viciousness while the other claims not to be vicious but proudly proclaims its willingness to shoot desperate refugees.

The degree of Democratic callousness in the New Orleans tragedy may be shocking at first, but it is actually consistent with the direction the party has taken for the past two decades. The Democrats are dying a slow political death. Their inaction and acquiescence in New Orleans is just the latest symptom presented by a terminal patient."

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4695437>

[KoKo]

54. The comments about Landreau are unfair though. She wanted to Punch Bush

out and told of the NO's Police who swam through the dirty waters with handcuffs to rescue the inmates so they wouldn't have to be let loose in NO's and she said this while tears were streaming down her face in her helicopter ride over NO with a CNN reporter. She exposed the lies.

I don't know about Blanco...but Bill Clinton sure deserves some criticism as both Black Commentator and Ariana Huffington have pointed out. Our Dems are good at legislation when theirs an outcry and they have power, but now they can't legislate because they don't have power.
Otherwise many of them were the same as the Repugs. They didn't cancel their vacations and probably don't have a clue what it is to be without water or food in an unbearable hot and humid part of the country, with water rising and people dying and fear and terror and uncertainty. They couldn't know that because their lives are as isolated as the Repugs.
They see human suffering in the abstract but are able to empathize. The Repugs have no regard for anything but their own comfort and idealogy.
That's what I've concluded. The rest of us out here in the country are just the "Masses" who are nameless and faceless.