I Predict: the GOP will force Bush to resign.

[Jade Fox]

Fairly soon the GOP will figure out that Bush is going to take down their
whole party if they don't get rid of him. Fortunately, it will probably be
too late. Just as after Nixon when no Republican could get elected, even
bland, harmless seeming Gerald Ford, they will not be able to repair the
damage by 2008.

Too optimistic?

[joemurphy]

1. 2008's a long way off. And who's our candidate? n/t

[Matariki]

9. take down the whole party in 2006

that's their worry. and *their* jobs.

[Jade Fox]

26. "our candidate" would have won last time....

had there been a fair election. That's what I believe is the most important
issue between now and 2008.

[Joe Chi Minh]

51. The Dems only need genuine

elections; end of story.

Doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is: he/she would win. And the only way they could lose in the next 30 years is if they become too corrupt for the people to tolerate, and suffer the backlash, in spite of the neocons' stolen elections and their record from Reagan on. Bill Clinton's last term in office was severely weakened by people's disillusionment, wasn't it? It happens.

I don't mean Bill was corrupt in a legal sense, just that he moved too far to the right. I think assassination has been a real and constant worry for Dem leaders, who would otherwise have take on the military industrial in a full-frontal assault. As something as close the ultimate nadir of misgovernment as one could imagine, this Katrina disaster could be a real catalyst, though.

[MN ChimpH8R]

52. How about Wes Clark?

Very distinguished military career, plenty of brains and compassion. Highly articulate and a genuine progressive.

[napi21]

2. Nope. Not unless the info out of the Plame investigation

snags a lot of them in the Admin. They're not going to throw him out. I suspect you'll see many distancing themselves from him though. Especially those in close election districts.

[meppie-meppie not]

3. lovely sentiment but I think you are too optimistic

[billkurtmeyer]

4. I would agree but. . . they control the media, and the Sheepole are easily

mislead, with very very short attention spans, even with something as catastrophic as this. Sad but true.

[aquart]

44. Superior contempt for fellow Americans sounds so...so...

Republican.

[jedr]

5. Yes, too optimistic; the neocons will continue to rule the repubs

[LandOLincoln]

6. Too optimistic? Probably. Remember that in Nixon's day

we still had a (more or less) free press, and good Uncle Walter was the most trusted man in the country. Republicans didn't control both houses of Congress then, either.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

7. Too Optimistic

They still support everything he does, even when they criticize him, they back him just the same. I doubt that with the current makeup of congress, they would even be able to impeach him....let alone convict him of something which would be cause for his resignation.

Shrub Won't Resign EVER! I think that's the main point here. He fixed the election, and was Fraudulently Installed in 2000, and there is no reason he would give up this position which is making him so much money and having a dictatorial role in Amerika.

[Imagevision]

49. Fitzgerald findings should be delayed as long as possible as a

lead up to 2006 elections - this will encourage the GOP to rethink they're support for their dumbo boyBush...!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[Damfino]

8. Not so far fetched

As a figurehead (and one finally self-destructing on main stream television) * is one of the most expendable people in the Whitehouse. It's all about Cheney, Rummy, Bush Sr., etc.

[dmkinsey]

10. Well, I think that's unlikely but

if you really believe it I think you should put your money where your mouth is. For real.
You could probably get HUGE odds against that in Vegas and if you come out right you'd have enough money to start your own PAC.

[Jade Fox]

13. Now if I just had some money!

Is possible to bet using one's debts?

[alittlelark]

11. I believe the outrage over Katrina will spill over into Iraq issues

The USS (Ugly Sack o' Shit) Bushco is going down. It's getting ugly out there and the WH is spinning (lying) itself into a huge pit of distrust.

As Pelosi said, "He's dangerous". He is also TOXIC to other Repugs that wish to be re-elected.

[Jade Fox]

18. agree n/t

[meti57b]

12. I don't think so. They have just turned a disaster into a $52 B boondoggle

No-bid contracts for Halliburton with zero accountability.

[Lena inRI]

14. Half agree with you. . .

yes, B* will be forced to resign but not by GOP. . .have you heard how B* was staggering toward plane August 30th in San Diego. . .even Laura had to help him up the plane stairs? (www.rawstory.com)

His cover up of drug maintenance will eventually be breached by his sheer physiological saturation by these drugs. . .all his phony veneer will crack very soon. . .this is my prediction.

GOOD RIDDANCE!
:kick:

[Jade Fox]

24. They may try to use "health issues" as a cover.....

god knows Bush has got health issues, at least mental health issues.

[Mnemosyne]

32. Hi Lena, can you tell me

where the story is about * staggering? Checked the site but seem to be missing it somehow.
Thanks in advance!
V

[Lena inRI]

48. Here ya go. . .thanks Malloy show for heads up

Heard this on Mike Malloy radio show AAR. . .I suggest you listen to him regularly. . .excellent links and he's so REAL.

But when Bush and his entourage arrived at the medical facility, those plans changed. One local news station reported that the President never left his motorcade, departing for the airport 15 minutes after arriving. The station aired footage of Bush laboring to ascend steps up to Air Force One, aided by his wife, Laura. A newscaster commented on the President's wavering gait and noted that it was unusual for him not to pause to shake hands with well-wishers at the airport. The broadcast led to local speculation that the President may have encountered a medical problem.

KNSD Channel 10 later retracted the story, reporting that Bush in fact entered the medical center and visited briefly with injured patients, but would not allow camera crews to accompany him. A call to the medical center's public relations office was not returned.

http://tinyurl.com/bfct3


:kick:

[calimary]

56. Maybe he hadn't dried out all the way.

I think we just have to keep the pressure on.

Have you called your reps today? Will you do it First Thing Monday Morning? You can do it TOLL FREE -

(877) 762 - 8762 to the Capitol Hill Switchboard - they'll transfer you to anybody's office you name.

Have you pressed the case for IMPEACHMENT???

Will you???

Here's what I did with Nancy Pelosi's office and Cynthia McKinney's office and Henry Waxman's office and John Conyers' office and a few others:

Told the staffer this IS out there. A LOT. All they have to do is ask around (and I named other congressional offices I called, like Waxman's, Maxine Waters', Diane Watson's, and others - where the staffer on the phone with me revealed that they were gonna add my name (and my IMPEACHMENT appeal) to a long list they'd already started compiling. So it IS out there. Told the staffer it needs to be SPREAD. They need to be talking to their staffer friends in OTHER congressional offices.

And I added that I hoped they'd take the following suggestion to their bosses: HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE. Talk about how they're hearing more and more constituents calling in, demanding the start of IMPEACHMENT proceedings. State publicly that - "hey, guys, this is happening out there. A LOT of people are pressing this. They're calling from everywhere. They're angry. You need to know how public opinion is running. And when you do this, the way you keep your own fingerprints off of it is to present all of this in an "I'm Just Saying..." type of attitude. As if to say - "hey, this isn't my idea. I'm just SAYING... Whether you agree with it or like it or not, it IS ABSOLUTELY out there. BIGTIME. I'm just SAYING... There are TONS of people calling my office, and all the other offices here on the Hill - pushing it. IMPEACHMENT. I'm just SAYING..."

Takes the heat off of them. They're just relaying information. They're "just SAYING..." But the seed is being planted. And it's being spread. Just the same as when some media person points to the vaporous "some people say that..." without ever identifying who it is and whether it's legit, because the overriding and FAR MORE IMPORTANT point is simply to GET IT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. Just GET IT OUT THERE.

Just Get It Out There.

Just Do It.

Do It ANYWAY.

Whether you think it'll do any good or not.

Whether you think it'll make any difference or not.

Just Do It ANYWAY.

IMPEACHMENT NOW!!!!!

"I'm just SAYING..."

[Old and In the Way]

15. Hope not.

I want this clown to stay in charge now. This NO disaster is just starting. Their incompetence will be like the Energizer Bunny...it keeps going and going and going. The War on Terror is pretty much dead...we've run out of money in Iraq, so the PNAC plan for the ME is totally DOA. Our domestic economy will get worse as there is no chance for the government to stimulate it. Expect interest rates to go up to attract buyers of our debt. That debt is not looking like a quality investment right now. That means house payments are going up.

Price of gas will continue to go up....bad news for those living paycheck to paycheck.

Then there's that Republican corruption. Valerie Plame. DeLay/Abramoff.

And we're not out of hurricane season yet, either. What if another one hits in the next few weeks? More biy-king leadership on display.

George Bush is going no where but down. And he's going to drag the rest of the Republican rubberstamping cowards with him.

[Jade Fox]

16. I think it will take awhile...

In the light of NOLA people will start to re-assess Bush. Someone quoted
on another thread about their Freeper neighbor doing just that: wonder-
ing what else Bush has lied about.

gas prices, Plame, DSM, Delay, more hurricanes, the economy will all start
to dam up.

[Old and In the Way]

23. We need to consider 2006.

I don't trust the electronic voting system....the only way we'll overcome that structural problem is getting an overwhelming majority to put Democrats back in control of Congress. Nothing changes until that happens.

We need Dimson to remain "in charge" to continue the administration of incompetence and non-accountability. If we take back majority control in 2006....then we can turn the lights back on to the true corruption that has been visited on this country over the past decade....and we can start the process of making them accountable for their actions.

[Canuckistanian]

17. Hey people, you're forgetting something...

IF Shrub resigns, then who is the next pResident? Hmmm?

That's right, Crashcart himself. The evilest, most neoconnish, lyingest (hard to believe) person in this admin.

Is this what we want?

[AndreaCG]

20. And even if Ticky Dicky is taken out

we still have Dennis "Let's not rebuild New Orleans" Hastert to take his place. : P

[Lecky]

36. What would be the difference?

I consider Bush to be Dick Cheney's yes man.

[BlueIris]

38. If Bush is gone, so is Cheney (and the G.O.P.)'s human face.

Do you know the term, "human credential"? It's what makes something or someone who would otherwise be completely unlikeable tolerable to normal people. Dana Scully was Fox Mulder's human credential, and Bush is the neocon's. He is the hypnotist's object, the thing that helps the Sheeple believe the lie. If the illusion of George Bush's goodness is shattered forever, the spell can be broken. So, in terms of foreign policies, with Cheney in charge, there might not be that much difference. But in terms of political and social control, the difference would be HUGE.

[Lecky]

39. No...I agree that Bush should be impeached

I was responding to the person who said that if we impeached Bush then Cheney would be president and it would be worse...

I didn't think that was a good enough reason for Bush not to be impeached...

[BlueIris]

42. Cheney and his supporters, yes even those in the pentagon,

would find it significantly harder to effect their destructive shit with the stain of an actual Bush impeachment on their hands. There would be a difference after that. Few, if any, of their schemes would come to fruition. It's not just worth impeaching Bush for the sake of impeaching him, it would diminish the neocon's ability to influence, blackmail and control people. Yeah, sure, they've been able to get away with their shit with only marginal public approval, but they wouldn't be able to get away with it without any public approval, especially considering the media moguls are getting iffy about whether or not to keep up the charade. Bush may be Cheney's yes man, but Cheney could have never gotten elected, or projected an image with enough respectability to make that hardcore 38% believe this suicide mission makes sense.

[Lecky]

43. I know I agree...

[calimary]

58. Besides, nothing would be more fun than seeing cheney take all the

heat, up front and center stage.

He is happiest manipulating behind the scenes, in the shadows, under cover, behind closed doors, in the darkness WHERE NOBODY CAN SEE WHAT HE'S UP TO, and where he's an afterthought - out of sight, out of mind. If he were to inherit the "throne" because of a bush impeachment (and likely removal from office if it comes to that - where the GOP-dominated House of Reps finally feels motivated to go this far), it would probably be EXCELLENT karma for him. He's pretty unpopular, at any rate, and doesn't have the aw-shucks, good-ol'-boy, warm-fuzzy manufactured PR image that bush does. Not only that, but his ticker probably wouldn't stand it for long. Soon enough, you'd see the resignation announcement or the "I won't seek reelection" drivel because he "wants to spend more time with the family." If that happens, it'll be bullshit. Family, shmamily. He'll be wanting relief from the heat, like a snake that wants to be back in the grass. And then, unless this happens after next year's elections in which that maggot dennis hastert will lose his speakership, we'd have a DEM in control.

And even if we don't, or it happens before then and we get hastert anyway, he too is damaged goods. He's horribly unphotogenic (which is as superficial as all-get-out, but it counts, powerfully, as shameful as that is). And he's as ugly on the inside as he is on the outside. He's a cold-hearted, tightwad, meanie. There will be more than a few people who won't let him forget the heartless, callous "bulldoze New Orleans" statement he made and then had to retract (FLIP FLOP!!! FLIP FLOP!!!). He also likes to keep a low profile so nobody sees much of what he's up to. So he won't have a fun time, either, if he's thrust, forceably, to the front of the line.

If it's NOT hastert but the player to be named later because a president cheney would pick his own veep, I submit that even THAT individual will be damaged goods. Just a place-holder, like Gerald Ford was after Nixon, until a Democrat comes back into the White House and starts setting things straight and cleaning up the mess.

And if it's Giuliani, well, his luster isn't what it used to be, either. 9/11 happened a long time ago by now, and people forget. Especially when it's HUGELY trumped by Hurricane Katrina, AND when there will, no doubt, be people who say - "where WERE you, Rudy, when we needed you!??!?!?!?!?!" Many Americans, especially voters, have embarrassingly short-term memories. AND, he's got one helluva messy divorce behind him complete with cheating on his wife, and he's pro-choice. It would throw "the base" (BTW - doesn't al Qaeda supposedly translate into "the base"??????) of religious extremists and other fundamentalist whack jobs into utter turmoil and some of 'em would probably sit this one out rather than have to vote against a republi-CON they really couldn't support ideologically.

Long, windy way of saying - let the IMPEACHMENT games begin. I submit it would be a whale of a lot of fun for us around here! :evilgrin:

[Imagevision]

50. Bush impeached? I too would prefer to have him impeached

talk about deer caught in the headlights syndrome,
again, Bush lied and who died!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[newscott]

19. Bush tells them what to do

This party is Bush run.

That was the only lesson that Cheney took out of Watergate.

Tightfisted control by a very few.

It's worked well for the cabal for a quarter century.

[peacetalksforall]

21. I wish people would recognize that Cheney is the one that has to go.

Bush is the marionette. Nothing will change with Bush gone. Everytime we say or write Bush we are wasting our time. This guy gets constant coaching and tutoring, but he still barely know what is going on, but it doesn't matter because Cheney is working on destroying us whether in the bunker or out of it.

If we keep pretending that Bush is important, we are deceiving ourselves in addition to the deceptions they create.

[Jade Fox]

31. So we will see the true face of our regime...

and not the idiot puppet Bush. I'm not convinced that's a bad thing.

With so many people liking Bush for his folksy/Christian image, replacing
him with the sneering countenance of old man Cheney might not work
well for the Republicans. That likablility factor of Bush's should not be
discounted when we assess his support as President. Nor should it's
opposite: the unlikability of Cheney.

[Jamison]

35. I don't worry about Cheney so much, but...

I REALLY worry about Condoleeza Rice. Cheney's more than likely going to drop dead from some illness/heart attack not too many years from now. Condi is the real power hungry GOP member. She may say she does not want to run for President in '08, but I'm almost sure she does. I fear her most b/c she's the most vocal chickenhawk of the bunch. If she were to ever get into that office, we would see World War 3.

[ISUGRADIA]

22. Under Bush they are the strongest GOP control since the 1920s

they will not turn on the master. Bush has got a lot of these people in the office. As long as the true believers of the base are with him, Bush is in total control. Nixon never cared about party building, Bush does and controls the party with an iron fist.

[Independent_Liberal]

25. True, they might just force him to resign like they did with Nixon.

But it looks like Hastert might not be Jerry Ford II afterall. He could very well be going down for Turkeygate. Ted Stevens will end up being Ford II. I'm not sure who Rockefeller II will be.

[Larkspur]

27. The Bush Cabal runs the Republican Party

If Bush can get McCain to eat cake with him while Katrina devastated the Gulf coast, it shows that he has effectively neurtered opposition within the Repuke Party.

[Booster]

28. To them, Bush was perfect; not curious or caring to ask questions.

Just a good old boy. What they didn't count on was his hubris; his "I am the King" attitude which they couldn't control because he himself can't control it. They thought they had another actor who could pull off feeling sorry for people, but he couldn't do it without almost laughing because he really doesn't give a shit, and he has shown the average mostly moderate people what he is really like and they don't like what they see. I think they saw this coming not too long ago and that's when they began to beat the drum to get Arnold elected - what they don't realize is Arnold's no actor either. ha

[Jade Fox]

29. "Arnold's no actor either. " Ha, indeed!

Good post!

[librechik]

30. Dream on.

The Republicans are powerless against this Putsch. You know why there are no investigations in the House Ethics Committee? Because there aren't enough Republicans who NEVER TOOK MONEY FROM DELAY to staff the committee. (You need about 5)

We have to pull together as a party and face it. The Nazis finally won WWII. They are the White House and the House Leadership. And the rest of congress is hanging by their balls from the rear view mirror on Frist's Cadillac.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

33. Probably not, but I think the majority of the media has swung over

to reporting the truth, so I think they will have a very bad time from here on in playing the spin game. Fool me once...heh, heh, heh...

[mbee]

34. There's one thing that will take them down - Americans love their

cars and the gasoline prices will cook their gooses!

[texpatriot2004]

37. I think you are on the right track. Chimpy is a political leper now

politicians have to ask themselves how immune do they think they are from acquiring leprosy. Politicians generally are all for saving their own ass first.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. I doubt it

They're so loyal to him and Bush and Rove would ruin them and they want to put someone on the court as well. They wouldn't get rid of Bush cause of that. They can never do that because that would admit they were wrong about something.

[ladylibertee]

41. Only in my Dreams....

I have a dream that one day Bush, Cheney and Rice will stand before a newly appointed Democratic Congress and........Damn it ! I'm awake again.

[lateo]

45. Remember the movie "Goodfellas"?

What we are dealing with is organized crime. "We the people" don't have a say anymore. These organized criminals will have to police themselves and eventually they will. When they decide that the Bush family has become a cancer to them...they will take care of it.

Until then we are fucked.

[Roland99]

46. Way too optimistic

[Richardo]

47. Why would they do that?

He's doing everything he was chosen for - for the GOP.

[MissMarple]

53. Hmm...well the 2006 elections are coming up.

However, I don't have a feel for how outraged the average American voter is, and how that outrage can be channeled.

[rniel]

54. It will have to be republicans

And some democrats too to get it done. If democrats pick up almost all of the contested seats then many republicans will turn their back on Bush in a heartbeat to distance themselves from him, I kinda think that's what Joe Scarborough is betting on will happen cause he's already attempting to distance himself from Bush.

[mrcheerful]

55. Nope

GW is the next best thing the republicans have next to Reagan. GW does exactlly as the puppet masters want him to do. Talk about the teflon kid, GW is a draft dodging drunk drug abusing moron, and in 2000 and 2004 no one saw that and anyone who reported on GW's past was destoryed or disappeared. Come on they even fired Peter Jennings because he didn't check out his source, yet Rush pillpopping, Limbugh can say anything and he's called an hoest man for chirsts sake.

[category5]

57. November 2006 is going to be VERY INTERESTING time!!

It will show clearly how much Bush is damaged and how much he has
damaged the GOP. I can't wait for election night.

[calimary]

59. Welcome to DU both of you - category5 AND mrcheerful!

November 2006 is the clincher. We'll see.

The momentum, however, is NOT going their way. At least for now. And by the time they start recovering in two or three weeks when America is lulled back to sleep because the body count in New Orleans slows (or is stifled) and the flood waters are all drained and pumped away and viewers of Pox "news" can be convinced that everything's "all better now," Cindy Sheehan and very likely an exponentially larger crowd of anti-war AND anti-bush protesters will converge on Washington, and the whole load of 'em WILL get press coverage. She'll just freshen all this back up again, as people already newly wised-up about this regime will suddenly remember Iraq, and the lies and mismanagement and negligence there, too. September 24th it is.

In the meantime, it's worth our while to push for this, as earnestly and relentlessly as possible.

Remember: It's really the ONLY way to ensure that Casey Sheehan - and all his fellow Iraq war casualties, AND all those people whose bodies are still floating in the flooded New Orleans streets, and all the dead whose bodies have yet to be found and/or counted - will NOT have died in vain.

[category5]

60. Thanks! Wow you sure have been busy posting here!!