I Like Both Kerry and Edwards but

[leftylady]

I think Edwards is the one who will come across the best now.

He is smart and he is decent. And I bet you he would come off vacation to help out if there was a Cat. 5 hurricane coming.

I also think he would really be good at re-establishing credibility in govt. organizations. They could use it.

[liberal N proud]

1. I couldn't agree more...

recent post by John Edwards

Two Americas
By John Edwards
From: TPMCafe Special Guests
During the campaign of 2004, I spoke often of the two Americas: the America of the privileged and the wealthy, and the America of those who lived from paycheck to paycheck. I spoke of the difference in the schools, the difference in the loan rates, the difference in opportunity. All of that pales today. Today - and for many days and weeks and months to follow - we see a harsher example of two Americas. We see the poor and working class of New Orleans who don't own a car and couldn't evacuate to hotels or families far from the target of Katrina. We see the suffering of families who lived from paycheck to paycheck and who followed the advice of officials and went to shelters at the Civic Center or the Superdome or stayed home to protect their possessions.

Sep 02, 2005 -- 02:07:49 PM EST

<snip>
These are Americans some of whom who left everything they possessed behind in order to save those they loved. These are Americans huddled with their children or pushing a wheelchair between rows of those too beaten or weak to stand. In this moment, we have to remember they are part of us, Americans who love their country and are part of our national community. In this moment, it is hard because our hair is clean and our clothes are washed and our eyes are not glazed with hopelessness. But these are our brothers and sisters, and we have to remember this not just for them, but for us. We must finally recognize that when any of us suffer, we are all weaker; it affects us all.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/9/2/14749/71454

[etherealtruth]

2. I am very partial to John Edwards ...

...caught an interview with him (as I was flipping through the channels, so I don't know where or with whom), as usual he was wonderful; he carefully crafts compassion with calls to action.

I adore the man's populist message. In contrast to the Chimp it is very heartening to see politicians genuinely care.

[bee]

3. I would not vote for Kerry again...

no response to the admin's complete FAILURE in NOLA?
what the hell's going on?
he lost me.

[TayTay]

5. That's not true

He has had two e-mails: one asking for emergency funds to be donated to the Red Cross and other relief organizations so that those in need could get help on the ground.

The other e-mail asked that people stop the Rethugs from going through with their plans to provide more tax cuts for the rich at this moment in time. We don't need to further drain the treasury when so many people need government help.

He also stood with Sen. Reid yesterday to say that the Dems will not participate in a sham investigation in the Gulfport area federal response.

He was also quoted in the NYTimes, along with other Dems, as going after this Admin on their incompetence in dealing with DHS and FEMA.

[bee]

6. Yes.. Im aware of all that.

But has he actually come out full-on critical ala Clark or Clinton? not that Im aware of... not in the least.

[Mass]

11. You cant be clearer than that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspec...

And Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, said in an interview: "It's a summary of all that this administration is not in touch with and has faked and ducked and bobbed over the past four years. What you see here is a harvest of four years of complete avoidance of real problem solving and real governance in favor of spin and ideology."

[second edition]

14. Thanks for posting this. People should check the facts before

criticizing.

[Clark2008]

4. Nope.

Can't win a red state without any FP experience.

I could say worse, but I won't.

[sandnsea]

7. That's two threads

Why?

I thought pissing on Democrats was Joe Lieberman's job.

[meppie-meppie not]

8. saw him on Nightline, I think it was and he was superb. I'd go for him

hands down any day against Kerry. Kerry has been a big disappointment this entire past year IMO.

[bee]

9. exactly my point on kerry

I think hes been a big disappointment for many of us. We need a landslide in 08 to protect against the inevitable fraud and Im not so sure either of them can give it to us.

[second edition]

19. A lot of people? Please! You and a couple of your friends?

He hasn't disappointed me yet. Actually, I respect him and his honesty and integrity the more I find out how hard he works for us and how passionate he is about his beliefs.

[second edition]

17. I saw him on Nightline too and I thought him to be mediocre.

So my opinion crosses yours out! How can he win the presidency when he decided not to run for reelection in his home state because he knew he wouldn't win? He also has a lot of bad accident claim lawyer issues to deal with.

[AmericanDream]

10. Yup... Edwards has the right dose of intelligence, compassion, & charisma

[LittleClarkie]

16. I liked him better before the consultants got ahold of him. The sincerity

got sucked out of his voice by someone who taught him to talk like a huckster.

[Skwmom]

12. Edwards wouldn't be good at re-establishing credibility

because Edwards has a major credibility problem of his own. Edwards is Rove's dream candidate. He's a person they could easily portray as a self-serving politician, a phony populist. This is the last thing the Democratic Party needs.

Even Hillary Clinton would be a better candidate.

[AmericanDream]

25. Has a credibility problem? With whom?..........

After the election, Edwards came out with the most favorable ratings of all four candidates on the national ticket.

And I don't see how he can be portrayed as a phony populist.... especially after what Bush has displayed in the wake of Katrina.

It's time we stop looking for Repubs to see who should we nominate and who they won't be able to attack. It's time to nominate someone we believe in. If you don't believe in Edwards, just say so and that'd be fine. But trying to use the Repub attack lines is just silly and useless.

[second edition]

13. Edward's is a nice guy, but he lacks experience enough to be

President. Why did he not run for a second term in the senate? If he couldn't win a second term in the senate what makes you think he can win the Presidency?

[AmericanDream]

18. He didn't run because he could only run for either senate or Presidency!

And I don't know what you are implying by saying that "if he couldn't win a second term in the senate." ... he didn't run for it, so how you derive the fact that he "couldn't win" is beyond me.

Lacks experience? I think he has exactly the right kind of experience. We need a president who knows what's going on with people's lives. We saw what happens when you put career politicians (or those who grew up in political families) like the two Bushes in the White House. Plus, I'm sure that charge was brought up against him when he first ran for senate as a private citizen, yet he marched right past it.

I actually have no doubt that if Edwards wins the nomination, he'll win the general. His temperament, family background, and persona goes down very well with moderates and fringe republicans. However, it is the nomination that he'll have to fight for because the pool is going to be huge.

[LittleClarkie]

20. Untrue. He could do both. Leiberman did.

You don't have to pick one.

[AmericanDream]

23. Yes you do. Every state party has its own rules, NC dems have diff. take

[second edition]

22. So what happened the last time? He didn't make it out of the

primaries. What would be different this time? Look I like Edwards, I just don't admire him for his service and dedication on the same level I admire John Kerry. You appear to just be viewing Kerry in a very superficial way.

[AmericanDream]

24. I'm not saying anything about Kerry.. .don't put words into my mouth...

I've never said anything about Kerry that makes my view of him "superficial." I have nothing against the Senator.

As for why Edwards didn't make it outta the primaries? Well, he was a virtually unknown quantity in a pool where Dean was gathering traction due to his outraged rhetoric, Kerry due to his long senate record and experience, and Clark due to his military standing in the time of war. Despite that, Edwards came second... says a lot to me.

But hey, I'm not here to prop him for 2008... it's too early for that. I'm just defending him against childish and silly attacks.

To you, Kerry's message and life resonates more than Edwards... to me, Edwards is thoroughly admirable. Which is probably just because we value different things in life... a perfectly normal thing to happen. But what's the point of pitting them against each other? I would suggest reading Edwards' book "Four Trials" to gain some perspective on his life :)

[LittleClarkie]

15. God love them both

but I'm not much interested in who's coming out on top.

Not this early, anyway.

I don't even see it as a race between the two.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure Joe Public has noticed either one recently.

[politicasista]

21. Can we stop elevating one over the other and support them both.

I do.


Both Kerry and Edwards would expect us all to do the same, but instead we are arguing over who is a populist or more charismatic than whom. Bad enough we had to listen to that from the MSM. It is time to support them both and other dems period, not rehashing who is better at what.

[LittleClarkie]

26. I like both Kerry and Edwards butts too, but I don't see how that helps

unless they're walking away, of course.

Yow.