other messageboards.....how depressing

[OneGrassRoot]

I was trying to find a moderate/independent-minded messageboard, to get a gauge of what independents are thinking about our country.

I found perspectives.com. They had a repug and a dem section. The repug section sounded like us!!! It creeped me out. They were talking about the truth, how the truth needs to come out...how the other side "spins" everything....how the other side is so corrupt....how the truth and facts are on their side. Weird, it truly is like we're living on two different planets.

In the general discussion section re: domestic politics, it was like a debate between the two sides....no common ground to be found.

That is disturbing.......

Does anyone know of any so-called independent (politically) messageboards?

[crispini]

1. I don't know, but if you find one, post here.

I'm always interested in building bridges and finding common ground.

[JDPriestly]

2. Divide and conquer.

That has been the Bush/Rove strategy. And they have succeeded. I do not trust Republicans. Period. Bush and Rove are now hoping for an insurrection so that they can do what has been done in New Orleans -- take over authority from local government, institute martial law, take away rights (including the right to possess a gun for self defense) from individuals, empower private corporate authorities (such as private security guards paid by private corporations), herd the poor into substandard housing, get them low paying jobs.

Bush/Rove did not cause Katrina. That is certain. But, they refused to build up the levees that would have prevented the flooding. Now they are taking advantage of the situation to grab power from the people.

The issue that may persuade Republicans that, in the end, we Democrats are on the same side they are is the confiscation of the guns of law abiding citizens in NO. Many people in the right wing have seen Democrats as the party most likely to deprive them of their guns, which represent to them their ability to protect themselves against aggression including government aggression. We need to tell them just how quickly the Bush regime exaggerated the number of gun-related violent incidents, in order to have an excuse to confiscate guns in New Orleans. We need statistics on the numbers of criminal attacks (not on property) on people in New Orleans or demand that Bush produce the statistics that justified his gun grab. We need to ask Republicans whether they think those statistics justify Bush's confiscation of guns in the area at the very time at which law abiding citizens were the most defenseless.

I support the regulation or registration of guns, but I do not support the confiscation or prohibition of guns. I think most Democrats agree with me. The purpose of regulation and registration is to provide law enforcement with the grounds to arrest people with criminal records who are found with guns. It is not to deprive law abiding citizens of guns. Bush mouths support for the right to own guns, but we see now that, in times when citizens are defenseless and may need guns to defend themselves, he denies that right. This is very disturbing to me. So, if you are going to those websites, talk about this issue, please because this is a uniting issue and it will trump Bush's divisive politics.

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[OneGrassRoot]

7. Who is giving this order?

Does anyone know who is giving this order to take weapons? Local, state or feds?

I agree, though....I haven't heard anyone pitching a fit about this as I thought they would. Then I realized that I don't know who actually issued the order.

[Cosmocat]

18. OH ...

This was a Republican stable even before the Bushco regime ... Them there liberals are going to take your guns ...

It drives me NUTS to all those friggen "Sportsmen for Bush" bumper stickers ... GOOD GOD, these people have NO awareness of what is going on ... They blindly to the death support a regime that takes a poop on the environment (talk to any hunter about hunting, and they all say, "it is about being nature more than killing animals), that takes their jobs and screws them 50 other ways ...

But, put the old cliche out that democrates are going to take their guns, and they fall in line ... Like, this is for real ...

JIMMINY ...

Nice thought pushing the NO thing ... I doubt it will matter, but it is worth a go ...

[RallyInDC]

19. They think its a conspiracy on the democrats!!!

Those guys are like a mirror opposite of democratic underground or buzzflash....

[jbnow]

3. No, but I know what you mean

Before the last election I looked now and then for moderate republican boards to see if I could begin to understand how they could possibly support bush and his policies .

I have some nice relatives who are republican...but they are decent people and I know they couldn't really support many of his policies. So I'd try talking to them. At first they would deny whatever policy I talked about, but if I could prove it they'd get this blank look and talk vaguely about Clinton and sex and wishy washy kerry. I learned nothing except denial seemed a large part of it.

When I looked for boards, like you I found them using the same language about us. How we are in denial, how we just fall for spin and blah, blah.

It's completely beyond me. It is like another world and theirs makes me sick.

I was with a very nice aunt the other day and her talk of the hurricane horror was about looting and shooting at rescuers. I did respond and even got through a little but I'm sure after we parted she went back to her comfort zone.

This isn't minor. While I'd never hang out much with conservatives on purpose that word didn't use to be...a vile word. Political differences weren't like another world, they could be put aside.

It's like a horror novel now, some end times things when the two camps are gathering. It is...disturbing.

[mtnsnake]

4. Not sure if this is something you're looking for

http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/index.php?s=5d475a97e769835d9630e97e0e439ef5&act=idx

Scroll down to "Political Debate"

[OneGrassRoot]

6. thank you for the link........

I'm reading it now. Very interesting.

[movonne]

8. I think that the WH has all kinds of operates working in message

boards, call-ins, writing to papers,etc... with only a 38 to 40% polling on bush, what else could it be...or do the 38% to 40% do all this stuff??

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[OneGrassRoot]

11. kicking this so.........

you can be "seen" by everyone, Justice For All.

Obviously no common ground to be found with you. :popcorn:

You're likely to receive a loving welcome any moment now.....



Geesh, that was fast. He/she left already......

[RandomKoolzip]

13. Here's his message, in all its illiterate glory:

This DU forum is full of the most hateful, racist liars I have ever seen in my life.

You do not worry about truth, all you care about is vomiting out the hate you feel for a conservative POTUS, even thought he has more scruples than the previous liberal POTUS.
You loved your rapist liberal POTUS, and his lying wife, and your values are repugnant.

This filth you value is ignorance, and your lies prove how useless liberalism really is to the values upon which the USA was founded.

You liberals are the socialist/nazis of the 21st century.


"Socialist/Nazis." Is that like "Giraffe/Zebras?"


Mods: feel free to delete this if you feel it necessary.

[RandomKoolzip]

10. Ummm......

Sorry to say this, but we always accuse the right of "spinning" everything because (brace yourself) that's what they do.

Believe it or not, the left is not about "creating reality," but making sense of the reality all of us deal with every day.

We only accuse the right of doing terrible things because (gasp) They're actually doing terrible things.

[LittleClarkie]

12. Try doing a search using the word "centrist"

I can't remember the name of the one I found last year, accept that it might have been a blog instead of a board. And centrist was definitely in the name.

But you could try again using that word and see what comes up.

[OneGrassRoot]

14. a thank you, another site, and a question...............

Thanks much, littleClarkie. In doing that, I found www.themoderatevoice.com, which looks interesting. Plus, they list tons of sites - left and right - including DU, of course...:)

There are two questions regarding this tragedy that I have yet to hear a response to:

1. Why didn't they (feds) drop food and water as they did in Indonesia?

2. How can anyone justify Halliburton getting a contract before our fellow citizens across three states got food and water?


They're both indefensible. All the other stuff CAN be complicated and they can always TRY to argue, but those two things.....haven't heard a response yet.

[Jade Fox]

15. Nutcase right-wingers tend to get all their ideas from folks like us....

so if they read us saying that the truth is being hidden, they say that too.
They are very imitative of Liberal/Leftists. They have no evidence to
back their claims, and discount anything they don't
like as being made up whole hog by the "Liberal Media".

Right-wingersalso do an enormous amount of projecting. Mark Crispin Miller
has written well about this in his book "Cruel and Usual".

[mrcheerful]

16. And

The only real news is Fox and Rush to them.

[Darkhawk32]

17. Anandtech.com ... Politics and News Forum...

Has all types of folks on there.

[snowbear]

20. "Think Progress" is a blog...

http://www.thinkprogress.org/

Not sure if anyone already listed it.. it's not a message board, more of a blog that you can tack comments on.. :shrug:

[ThoughtCriminal]

21. Centrists don't do message boards?

But then, almost everyone "Thinks" they're a moderate.

[ProudDad]

22. The difference is that the regressive-right-wingers

are on the wrong side of everything; Reality, the Truth and History.

We get a little bug-shit at times because this country is the farthest from the humane society we'd all like to see.

It's frustrating and easy to put on a tin foil hat :tinfoilhat: and imagine that there must be a powerful cabal of conspirators doing all of this.

There IS such a cabal, but they're not secret and omnipotent, just evil.

Try this link for one of their publications...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/