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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 10:59 PM
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Is Bush becoming a liability for the neo-cons!?!?
It's pretty much getting there. Bush may have to watch who his 'friends' are these days...Cheney and Rummy may push him out. It's obvious his troubles are hindering their agenda.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:01 PM
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1. Yes, he is. But he is no trouble for the CONSERVATIVES since
you are using a RW talking point. When Bush becomes a problem for the CONSERVATIVES, then we may actually win some elections.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:40 AM
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6. The neocons have neutered the entire Republican party
They run the show there...even the "true conservatives" are no good because they are all yes men for the neocons.

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:36 AM
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8. Read what you just wrote. The "true conservatives" are the neocons
because they are yes men.

Why are you afraid to say this is the Conservative Agenda? Why are you afraid to say Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdock/Saudi News Corporation are CONSERVATES?

Are you afraid of "branding" the word Conservative for what it is? Anyone who is Republican who is not in lock step with George Bush is a moderate. Any Republican who can think is a moderate. And it is the moderates that we want.

Don't give them the choice between CONSERVATIVE and NEOCON. They will vote CONSERVATIVE thinking that is acceptable. Make them label themselves as MODERATES.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:02 PM
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12. It's not that I'm afraid to label it the Conservative agenda...
...but the truth is that they are two different ideologies yet both groups rally behind each other thus making them both dangerous.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:05 PM
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13. It is the same agenda. It is the Corporate Agenda. Did your
polysci teacher teach you that the spectrum was NeoCon, Conservative, Moderate, Progressive, Liberal? Mine did not. Mine taught me that the left was always defined by the right, the Conservatives.

My best friend has finally seen the light with the upcoming death of Roe v Wade. She, according to her, is not a NeoConservative, she is a Conservative. For 5 years, I have been trying to convince her that the Conservatives and the NEOCONs are the same thing. Same Agenda. She always voted Conservative. No, she could not vote for those wingnuts, the NeoCons, but she was a Conservative. She voted Conservative.

I have finally gotten her to admit that she is a moderate Republican in the mode of Goldwater and Rockefeller. That she is not a Conservative. She claims that she won't vote for those wingnuts that I vote for, but she will not vote for someone BECAUSE he is a Conservative.

Every time you use the word NEOCON, you enable a moderate to vote conservative.

Don't be afraid to use the word, to brand the word as they have branded liberal. We need those moderates.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:02 PM
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2. The neocons are their own liability.
The neocons are the problem, not the solution.
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RallyInDC Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 11:16 PM
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3. the neocons are all insane....
they only care about control, could care less if bush was killed or removed.....

they are planning on taking over the whole world bank...
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:19 AM
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4. i don't think the neocons counted on bush's
'base' containing so many religious fanatics. they kinda distract bush from the neocon agenda, much to the chagrin of the neocons. i think cheney and rummy may be ready to take over from (as someone here puts it) commander bunnypants (i LOVE that). if that happens, i think we'll be in real trouble.

ellen fl
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RallyInDC Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:31 AM
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5. i dont think bush* will let them take over....
i think he'll fight the neocons himself, he's a spoiled brat who always must get his way.

he will wage war on the neocons if they try to take over and then it will fall apart, cheney will have to be dealt with.....get ready.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:20 AM
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11. I'M READY!!! eom
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:18 AM
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7. Absolutely and they won't have it. They will turn on him quickly.
Just a gut feeling.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:46 AM
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9. No, but he has become a huge liability to the Republican Party....
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 10:47 AM by Jade Fox
Bush seems commited to trying to push through the Neo-con agenda.
What the Neocons don't get is that they will be powerless without the
Republican Party backing them up. And in the end I believe Bush
will have done major damage to the Republicans, wether the end (of the
Bush presidency) comes sooner or later.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:56 AM
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10. They're nowhere near throwing him under the bus.
And I don't think you'd be able to find a single quote from anybody w/in his "circle" which indicates the contrary. Unblinking loyalty to the chimp is what keeps them in their comfortable seats of power.

Gyre
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