What would you think about a person

[LittleClarkie]

who refused to go back to her church until a picture of a trojan warrior was taken down because she considered it too war-like. I understand being anti-war, but I can't understand getting upset about a picture of a historical figure hung up somewhere.

I know folks are welcome to their opinions, but I've run into folks like that before, who sort of look for things to get upset about, rather than focusing on what might be considered larger issues.

I got the same feeling from a woman I knew in college who got upset when a man drew a picture of a pen turning into a penis. She said it was oppressive to women. Of course she said the same about the song "American Pie", specifically the part about the "Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost." Somehow that part translated into another message of oppression for women. Never could figure that out exactly.

What do youse guys think?

[AtomicKitten]

1. I'd send her a good-bye card.

and some Ex-Lax. Bay-bye.

[LittleClarkie]

2. She threatened to quit the Dems and go Green

not that she thought the Greens had a chance. But she was going to "teach the Democrats a lesson" and only come back when she needed to for the next election.

Yeah, that would help :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

4. Yikes.

She sounds like a legend in her own mind. She'd probably be sorely disappointed when nobody called her bluff and just didn't care if she made good on her threat.

[Nikki Stone 1]

3. She's right about American Pie, but fortunately no one cares anymore

Then pen into a penis? What was the context?

[LittleClarkie]

5. It was on a college literary publication

The artist, when asked, said it represented how he felt when he wrote about things.

The picture had no context though. The woman complaining in the college newspaper LTTE section would only have known that a man drew it and that it was on a literary publication. He got quite upset about that, as he considered himself an advocate for women's rights.

[Nikki Stone 1]

6. He must have had a funny way of writing.

A lot depends on whether it was artistic or just silly if you're talking about a literary publication.

Then again, I've never been the biggest fan of literary publications. I find them to be way too angst-ridden and pretentious. I worked on a literary publication briefly once and got so bloody bored, that when some guy submitted his "haiku"--which was basically

Dog
Truck
Pineapple

I wanted to run the damned thing. He also had a limerick about a hunter who got caught in a trap ("Oh crap") which I got a laugh over. Of course, no one listened to me. It was all "My girlfriend/boyfriend left me and I want to kill myself" crap.

Ah well....

[LittleClarkie]

7. I suppose he might have been an early "Fred Bear" type

but he didn't seem pretty sensitive and not nearly nutzo enough ala Nugent, so that's probably not it.

[Nikki Stone 1]

8. Fred Bear? Pardon my ignorance but...

?

[LittleClarkie]

9. I associate him with the men's movement

sort of a get back to nature, primitive man thing. I don't know too much about it, just vague impressions, cemented by a song from Ted Nugent called "Fred Bear." Kind of a goofy song, but it gets played around here during dear hunting season. He was apparently an ace bowhunter, among other things.

[Nikki Stone 1]

13. That was a weird movement, from what I remember, but then I was worried

about my hairdresser in the LA blackout this afternoon, so we've all got our forms of weirdness, I suppose.

[wtmusic]

11. Fill me in please?

"I met a girl who sang the blues
and I asked her for some happy news,
but she just smiled and turned away.
And the three men I admire most,
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost,
They caught the last train to the coast
The day the music died."

Oppressive how?

[Nikki Stone 1]

12. Three men I admire most

In the Christian tradition, the only one of these who is strictly male is Jesus (the Son). As a good Catholic, I was taught that God was genderless. (Andrew Greely even talks about Mary being the female half of God, ie God as bi-gendered.) And, as a good Catholic, I was taught that the Holy Ghost had no gender, and, though represented by a bird, was not in fact a bird either. :) Actually, historically, the Holy Ghost is female: I remember listening to a sermon about this in my early 20s by a rather hum drum little priest who wasn't the least radical. Holy Ghost was originally Sophia (the Greek word for wisdom) and was gendered female.

So, if you're looking at gender, we have one male (Jesus), one genderless/historically female (Holy Ghost), and one genderless (or possibly double gendered) Supreme Being.

When Don McLean referred to the three parts of God as "men", he ignored the Catholic theology that many of us grew up with and turned God into his own image and likeness. You might call it heresy. You might also call it oppressive to women. I call it typical.

[wtmusic]

16. thanks

very enlightening. And although I don't see it as strictly oppressive, I agree with you that it's a typical viewpoint of men who harbor oppressive views of women in general.

[petronius]

10. Why was there a picture of a Trojan in the church?

It seems like an odd thing to hang up.

My reaction to her would depend - if she applied these same rigid standards to every area of her life I might respect her consistency but would think she was way too uptight. If she only made a fuss when it would gain her some attention I would think she was an irritating drama queen. Either way, I'd blow her off...

[LittleClarkie]

14. Mighta been a Spartan

it sounded as if it was sort of like what * wears on his head in Doonesbury.

It sounded like it was some sort of stewardship campaign. I'm sure there was some cute slogan to go with it that made it all make sense.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'm going to be going to hell because I have the words "church" "trojan" and "blow her off" in my head all at the same time. Ieek.

[petronius]

15. It sounds like a look-at-me overreaction

I could imagine how a Christian could object to a Roman centurion image in the church, if they viewed as some sort of comment on or disrespect to the Passion, but the "too warlike" thing seems hypersensitive...

(Sorry about all those words in your head - still, you're the one who brought up the trojan :))