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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:44 AM
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Dean: I've made up my mind about John Roberts...wrong man, wrong time.

I've been watching Supreme Court nominee John Roberts artfully dodge question after question during his confirmation hearings. And I've read the limited documents the White House released about his work in the Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations -- though we are still waiting for answers for the over 100,000 Americans who submitted Freedom of Information Act requests for key documents.

But we know enough to see a pattern -- and I've made up my mind about John Roberts. He's the wrong man at the wrong time for our country -- a trait that he shares with much of the Republican leadership, including the president who nominated him.

I've written an op-ed that will appear in newspapers across the country tomorrow (you can get a preview at the bottom of this message).
But I am just one voice -- your community needs to hear from you. By filling local papers with letters to editors, Americans watching this process unfold will understand that we have a different vision for the court and a different vision for our country.

Join me on editorial pages across America by writing a letter to the editor -- with our new online tool and talking points, you can write and submit your letter in minutes:

http://www.democrats.org/robertsletters

John Roberts may have a sharp legal mind, but his record shows that he lacks a sense of justice.

The skills John Roberts displays are like those of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove or House Republican Leader Tom DeLay. Both of those men have sharp political minds -- they are among the smartest in Washington. But they use those skills to push a narrow ideology and win at any cost. Roberts has spent a career using the law to protect corporate interests and roll back the rights that protect us all.

Roberts, Rove, DeLay and the rest of the extremist Republican leadership all have the same problem. They abuse their power by pursuing ideological crusades -- and they ignore the real problems we face as a country and as a community.

Thousands of letters appearing in papers across the country will reach every American with our message -- that the time for narrow ideology and protecting the rights of only a few is over. Write a letter to the editor now:

http://www.democrats.org/robertsletters

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina and the disastrous response, we have seen the consequences of government by ideologues and political cronies. We have also seen the stark reality of American life that people like Roberts, Rove and DeLay either don't understand or choose to ignore -- that inequalities still persist to this day.

Our rights -- and the rights of the most vulnerable in our society -- are in danger. They are in danger from those who actively seek to roll them back, and they are in danger from those in positions of leadership who don't understand how important it is to protect the rights of every American.

The ultimate battleground for justice, fairness and opportunity in America has always been the Supreme Court. Justices have the power to use the law to hold America back, and they have the power to use the law to hold America to the high moral standards we set for ourselves.

Let's make sure that Americans open their newspapers and understand the stakes:

http://www.democrats.org/robertsletters

Thank you.

Governor Howard Dean, M.D.

P.S. -- You can get a sneak preview of my op-ed before it appears in papers across the country: http://www.democrats.org/robertscolumn

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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:45 AM
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1. Good ol' Howard
Still slapping them around! :loveya:
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:45 AM
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2. Have you read the op-ed yet? It's wonderful. NT
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Team44Car Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:48 AM
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3. It's good to see someone is awake out there
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mwwittin Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:13 PM
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12. Why so long?
Maybe I am wrong because I don't understand the U.S. system, but why does it take months for Dr. Dean to think "wrong man"? Everyone here I think knew when his name first came that he is the wrong man. You have so many reasons! You have the big: the abortion, the classic reading of Constitution, the guns support, the environment, the treatment of blacks. You have the small and silly: the question of kids, his eyes, his attitudes, his wife. Of course he is wrong: he is conservative and picked by the "I want to be Kaiser" Bush!

I'm sorry if I don't understand, but I think that this is very late in happening. Put it that way, it would be better if he did this before, yes?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:30 PM
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14. This was the proper time....after Roberts appearance.
Too bad Governor Dean does not really have a say in it. The ones who do will not fight, I fear.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:36 PM
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15. The hearings only started Monday.
You don't expect him to say these things the day Bush appointed Roberts do you? That would be jumping the gun, and the already dismissive media would diagnose Dean a quack and a political hack, and ignore anything he has to say.

This is the time, after we've seen what Roberts is all about to be speaking up.
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mwwittin Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:46 AM
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23. Oh, OK
Danke! I was not understanding the situation properly. I believed that there was opportunity before when he was announced and his papers came out and the Senate talked about him. Now I understand that making decisions before hearing him talk would be "jumping the gun". Sorry, I still do not understand U.S. system too well, and I read everything here with many good reasons for a long time and I thought the opportunity was before. This is my mistake. Sorry!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:37 PM
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24. Hi mwwitten!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:49 AM
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4. Excellent. Good work Chairman Dean.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:53 AM
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5. 'No Miss" Howie
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:54 AM
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6. excellent-- now I hope the senate dems pay attention....
eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:06 PM
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7. Paragraph from his op ed: Government shrinks from compassion.
"Our Government today shrinks from compassion. In doing so they have first diminished America in the eyes of the rest of the world, and now they have diminished America in the eyes of our own people. This is a time for justice tempered with mercy and understanding. There is no evidence of either in Judge Roberts’s career. The President should be denied this nomination."

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:40 PM
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8. howard dean speaks for me
EOM!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:42 PM
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9. Dr. Dean speaks for me
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:51 PM
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10. No
Thank you Dr. Dean. :loveya:

Howard Dean speaks for me.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:07 PM
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11. A couple of things on this
1. I wish he wouldn't use "wrong man, wrong time"
We just used that line:shrug:

2. Along with this op-ed, I wish he was calling every democrat in congress and telling them to say this. Ya know - talking points, all of us on the same page. Say it over and over until it sticks.

We are probably screwed on this anyway. But I'd like to see the dems really give it to them. Just like we did with Bolton. Maybe even convince some from the other side.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:23 PM
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13. here's the letter I wrote
If there's time, edit subject encourage the letter writing campaign

In the past few days Mr. John Roberts has artfully dodged question after question at his confirmation hearings, but he can't avoid what he's written in the past. His determination NOT to answer questions under the ruse of the "hypothetical" that he may rule on that subject is quite frankly dishonest. It SHOUTS to me, I don't think a majority of Americans will like what I really think SO I WON'T TELL YOU. Where is the courage? The honesty? Tell us the truth, it will set you free.
I am one of the Americans who has requested Roberts' writings as an attorney in the Reagan administration. However, it becomes more evident that he holds a deep indifference and coldness toward the weakest- something that the American people rejected long ago.

He's a smart man, but he's used his skills as a lawyer to dance around many of the questions that would expose his views on fairness and equal protection under the law.
As an American who believes in moral fairness, equality and compassion, I urge the Senate to reject John Roberts.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:51 PM
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16. What is the take-away?
It's this: Although Dr. Dean did not use the phrase "wrong man, wrong time" in his op/ed, we should appropriate it in our messages to our Senators. Inform them that RoBork IS the wrong man at the wrong time, but so, too, are any Democratic Senators who do not fight against this nominee, or who vote to install the knucklehead.

Let them know that we have given up as much ground as we are willing to without a fight. Let them know that any Dem who from this moment on appeases the right will become the wrong man, or woman, at the wrong time.

It's time to shed the fear of voting against incumbant Dems in the primaries. Let your Senators know that.

Thanks again, madfloridian!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:07 PM
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18. I am aready doing this.
I am actively campaigning to get rid of our worst senators in favor of Democrats who will fight for Americans. And I don't give a crap about what abuse on this site I have to put up with to do it.

No-one who voted for Bush's policies more than 50% of the time deserves ANY support or votes from the grassroots. None.

They are going to hand our civil liberties to the fundies to kick into the trash to keep their pathetic, powerless, Senatorial seats. Disgusting.

There had better not be ONE vote for Roberts from a Democrat, but my guess is that one senator, Nelson (Nebraska) will do it. Perhaps five more.

You heard the prediction here first.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:06 PM
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17. This was the man I wanted in the 2004 Presidential Election
not John Kerry. He speaks for me, loud and clear. It was clear that Dean's campaign was sabotaged. It is my hope that Dean cleans out the backstabbers and force them out.

I also wrote an op-ed about 5 minutes ago, using most of Deans's words and added some of my own.

Hawkeye-X

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:07 PM
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19. Oh, Howie borrows from Johnny
Wrong, wrong, wrong...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:35 PM
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20. Don't be cryptic, tell us what you mean.
I see another reference to not using those words. I must be not too smart, so tell me.

Which Johnny's words did he use? Were they copyrighted? Not too sure I understand.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:23 PM
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21. No worries.
Howard just reminded me of Kerry at that moment. "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time. The "W" stands for Wrong" and so on.

'S cool.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:59 PM
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22. Exactly, as long as they are saying the right things.
From February 2003
http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=22502

"In February 2003, Dean was a little-known candidate for the Democratic nomination when he said Bush was focused on "the wrong war at the wrong time" concerning Iraq. The month before Dean's remarks, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., used a similar phrase when he said, "I continue to be convinced that this is the wrong war at the wrong time."

From May 16, 2003
http://www.liberaloasis.com/dean.htm

"But the costs of the war - some known, some unknown - and what I considered to be an insufficient justification for unilateral action led me to conclude that this was the wrong war at the wrong time, and my view has not changed."

I don't care who uses the words of whom. We have to keep fighting together.

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