ABB....please unite NOW to beat bush*...anyone who has been

[diamond14]

involved in political campaigns knows what needs to be done...we knew it after Kerry won Iowa on January 19th...

a very successful political tactic is to encourage fighting amoungst people opposed to bush*...it takes tons of money to keep up this fighting within our own party...it is time to UNITE...

(actually, it would have been better if we UNITED on January 19th, but some very pro-bush* writers and posters ENCOURAGED dissent and wasted tons of money)

uniting NOW against bush* will conserve MILLIONS OF DOLLARS....bush* has about $ 150 MILLION to fight against the Democratic nominee...and your dissent against John Kerry will drain the very little money any of the Democratic candidates have (all of which is much less that the $$$$$$$$$ bush* has)....

all of us to LOOSE to bush* if we don't UNITE NOW....stop the dissent...unify behind Kerry...beat bush*...please assist by encouraging everyone to UNITE behind Kerry, rather than to cost MILLIONS of dollars and loose to bush*...stop the fighting...UNITED to BEAT BUSH.....thank-you...


please join us now....we'd love to have your support
http://www.JohnKerry.com

[creativelcro]

1. I'm united with anybody who does not support Kerry. Thank you.

[solinvictus]

7. Kerry

I just don't like the man. He's married to corporate America through Heinz and a long time political insider in the Senate. I'm apologize for any offense to Kerry supporters, but I genuinely don't like the possibility of only having two corporate shills to choose from this year.

[diamond14]

9. does that mean you are for bush*? sound like you're going with

the reTHUGlican approach...encourage a lot of fighting amoung Democratic rivals, sit back, and then hammer the winner with a $ 200 MILLION war chest....

it's not smart to encourage continued dissent...it's time to unite against bush*

[solinvictus]

14. I'll unite behind...

1) Dean
2) Clark
3) Edwards.

If it comes to Kerry vs. Bush, I won't vote for El Presidente, but I am not at all enthused about Kerry's "sudden" surge while the mass media smears Howard Dean at every opportunity. I think the moneyed interests have picked their opposing horse and Kerry is him. Please, prove me wrong, because I genuinely don't want this year's election to be this way.

[Woodstock]

67. That's the order of my picks, too

I'll back Kerry, but I want to make sure he's the people's choice.

[atre]

70. Hmmm... so you're either with Kerry or with Bush?

Do you help write speeches for Bush? Or do you share that simple, narrow worldview?

[drfemoe]

72. it's time to put the plug in the jug if you ask me .. sleep tight!!!! nt

[liberalnurse]

63. Absolutely.

I'll write in Dean's name before I'd vote for Kerry. My friends, family, co-workers all agree here in Ohio.

[Padraig18]

2. Thanks, but I'll wait a while longer.

:)

[Bunny]

3. Well, I'm waiting a while longer, myself.

And I like Kerry. But it is still WAY too early for a plea for unification. Congrats to Kerry, BTW.

[INTELBYTES]

4. Nice post, and I agree but the democratic process must go on.

Dean is not out of the picture and has been unfairly smeared by the media. Althogh I was a Clark supporter, by the time the primaries comes to Texas, I think I will be backing Dean.

That being said, I will be ABB in the GE.

[youngred]

5. I'm united once we have a nominee

we don't yet though. and 1/25th of the way through the race I'm not ready to call it for Kerry, just like I wasn't 10 days ago for Dean

[Paulie]

6. This is Primary #1, we just had Caucaus #1

WTF man!

[Egnever]

8. No thanks

plenty of time to negate the choice of red states.

[diamond14]

15. way too little money to fight bush*...NO candidate can go against

bush*s current $ 150 Million war chest (and NO republican opponent)....bush* war chest to be up to $ 200 Million soon....and that's just to fight the PRIMARY....

for each Democratic primary, the small amount of money that any Democratic Candidate is eaten up....the more Democrats fight with each other, the more money it costs, and the better chance that bush* will win....

is that what you are pushing??? a bush* win ???

only those will NO campaign experience, or those pushing for bush*, would be here encouraging continuous fighting and refuse to encourage UNITY against bush*....

[Padraig18]

23. Who died and annointed Kerry?

I tried to be polite, but it's presumptuous as hell to think that after IA and NH who, COMBINED, have fewer delegates than AZ or SC or MO, etc., everyone should just turn up their toes and give the nomination to Sen. Kerry.

Let it GO, please.

[PVnRT]

38. amen did

And all who do not fall in line immediately are bad people who hate America :eyes:

[alcuno]

25. I'm not ready yet. As a matter of fact, I donated to Dean again tonight.

I think he's good for the Democratic Party. Of course I would have given him more money if he'd won.

I won't be bullied with the notion that I'm somehow supporting *. Let the primary process run its course. I'm sick and tired of always having "inevitability" shoved down my throat. What's the point of doing anything if the end is already known?

[hackwriter]

32. Without Dean, Kerry would still have no cojones

Kerry was marching in lockstep with the Bush Administration until Howard Dean came along and proved that you can speak out against these guys.

Kerry has co-opted Howard Dean's message, and he has the party apparatchiks on his side.

I'm utterly disgusted with what's happened here -- with the way the media has built Dean up into "Mr. Inevitable", and then taken such joy in tearing him down.

I'm utterly disgusted with the short memories and the utter stupidity of the American people, that they can delude themselves into thinking that a veteran is somehow immune from the Karl Rove Smear Machine.

Kerry used to be OK, but too many years in Washington have corrupted him, I'm afraid. Now it's about gorging at the big corporate money table, just like the Republicans. It's sad.

Here's what this reminds me of: 1984, when Gary Hart beat Walter Mondale in New Hampshire. Then, as now, the party apparatchiks got together and organized against Hart, because Mondale was the establishment's guy. And of course we all know what happened to Walter Mondale; Reagan cleaned his clock.

And I truly believe that's what's going to happen on election day this year. And then we are utterly f***ed.

Bush is going to get up and do that aw-shucks beer buddy thing, while Kerry stands there and speaks in his stentorian, "I know better than you" tones, and the media are going to just fry him in a pan with bacon and home fries.

I could reasonably confidently vote for Edwards. I've even made my peace with Wes Clark. But over the last year, I have found John Kerry to be so craven, so corrupted, so despicable, and so mean-spirited, that I really have to give some serious consideration to what I'm going to do.

This is meaning no disrespect to the Kerry supporters. Intelligent people of good will can disagree, after all. But you might be well-served to let your candidate know that there are many of us Dean supporters who darn well want an explanation for how he can say he'll fight for us when he's voted to enact most of the Bush agenda, before we can think about voting for him.

[Egnever]

43. hate to tell you but Dean isnt out of money

And wont be. We arent going anywhere. Despite Kerry's wins we are still outraising him. And we will continue to We want our country back and Kerry isnt going to do it.

[virtualobserver]

45. Kerry has too often known unity with Bush

that is the problem.

[liberalnurse]

66. Dean and "We the People"

can and will go up against *bush. This Kerry argument is arrogant and will not sell.

[IronLionZion]

10. I'd rather wait until the nomination to unite

duh!

[joshcryer]

20. Same here.

Geez.

[bicentennial_baby]

11. shameless

[Doctor_J]

12. No can do

Of course once we have a nominee we'll be all rowing in the same direction, but until then I plan to continue to support the General. I want * beat bloody in November, and I want to show the world that Smirk is 180 degrees from the REAL America. Hence, I back the candidate who most sharply contrasts with him - Wesley Clark.

[lastknowngood]

13. If I have no other choice I'll vote for Kerry

but I know he has no chance of even comming close.

[mlawson]

16. I have been ABB since about 1999. But that does not mean

that I consider Kerry to have the best chance of beating bush. That person, I believe is John Edwards.

[democracyindanger]

17. So

I'm supposed to get behind Kerry to save him money? What about Dean or Clark, who (I believe, but I could be wrong) have bigger war chests than Kerry? Following your logic, shouldn't I get behind the one that has the most money?

[cprise]

18. Please UNTIE now!

...and let us slay that evil mastermind we call "Bushie"!

If we get Kerry in office, a business-as-usual Kerry Presidency will be nothing like the Clinton circus. No immobilization by the corporate media... nosiree. There will be plenty of action by Kerry--- on THEIR behalf.

</sarcasm>

Sorry, not buying it.

[joshcryer]

19. Kerry is by NO MEANS a shoe in!

STOP MAKING THIS DEMOCRACY LOOK LIKE ONE STATE POLITICS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.

[Robbien]

21. The media does not tell me how to vote and neither should you

I am ABB. Period.

[sleipnir]

22. Not ABB, and never will be

There are certain candidates whom I will never, ever vote for. Two of them are still in the race right now. Not going to happen for me at least.

[Toucano]

24. Whooa!

It's too soon for people to fall in line. What do you think we are? Republicans? :)

[WillyT]

26. Waaaaaaaay Too Early !!! --- Talk To Me In March !

Let's see how this plays out first. Many a candidate has won IA and\or NH, and NOT won the nomination.

It's still too early.

:shrug:

[populistmom]

27. Fight for your candidate first, but then fight WITH your party!!!!

[lostnfound]

28. We can unite against Bush without combining candidacies..

All the Dems should memorize this sentence:

"Any one of us would be a much better president than George W Bush has been."

[sybylla]

29. I'll never vote for chimpy

but I fear that if Kerry wins, the Democratic party will die a painful death over the next decade and take low and middle income America with it...IMHO.

Winning at all costs may cost us all.

[Phelan]

30. Funny I heard that about Dean early December

[carpetbagger]

57. Ditto. And, you can't beat the free press coverage.

So, once your guy wins the nomination, I'm all behind him.

But I still think Wes Clark has the greatest share what it takes to win the election, run the country and change it for the better.

[ACPS65]

31. NO

NOBODY but DEAN!

[1songbird]

33. It's too early for this. n/t

[diamond14]

34. Dean's loss is even BIGGER than in Iowa...if it were less, it might

be different...but the magnitude of the LOSS is very significant....

if Dean was honorable, he would conceed to Kerry tonight....

I do not think that the continued fighting within the Democratic Party is healthy....

and the sooner that Democrats UNITED against bush*, the better chance to DEFEAT bush*.....


there are many on this thread that want to fight to the bitter end, and thereby, give bush* a BIG Victory....


it really is time to UNITE...and give the winner a chance to BEAT BUSH....IMO, there are people on this thread who enjoy throwing the election to bush* in their RAGE...and their inability to be a 'good sport'.....RAGE as I have read on this thread, is NOT good for beating bush*...


stop the RAGE
keep your promises
UNITE to BEAT BUSH


come join us...we're good people who care about America...
it's easy...we'd love to have you with us in our fight against bush*
http://www.JohnKerry.com

[Padraig18]

35. NO!

We lead in delegates 122-95. This is NOT the time for this.

[Name removed]

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[PVnRT]

37. Give it up

I will not let New Hampshire and Iowa determine who my party's nomination will go to.

"We're good people who care about America..."

In other words, if we don't fall in line NOW and OBEY, we're bad people who hate America? Nice tactic.

[diamond14]

39. No, we believe that you are good people too, people who don't

want to be drafted....

people who want to beat bush*

so, why, are you doing everything you can to help bush* win and to help bush* start kicking in that 'big sucking sound' called YOUR DRAFT into the military??....perhaps you don't have much political experience, but those of us working Democratic for more than 30 years KNOW that Dean can't win...his losses are too HUGE...he's not carring enough people....Dean was MAJORLY defeated tonight, for the second time...it's time to stop the bleeding and unite behind the clear winner, Kerry....

we believe that you are good...and we want to tell you that WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE too....


Kerry is the ONLY candidate who can BEAT bush*
so why not join us, as we move forward?...please unite with us...stop the fighting, because it only allows bush* to win....

and if you sleep on that thought, maybe by the morning, your RAGE will be gone, and your determination to beat bush* can begin...

Go Kerry, the ONLY candidate to BEAT bush*
http://www.JohnKerry.com

[Padraig18]

40. Horsefeathers!

It is WAY TOO SOON FOR THIS! If the intent of this thread is to alienate Dean supporters, it is accomplishing its purpose. Once again, RESPECTFULLY, let it GO!

:grr:

[ACPS65]

41. Nobody but Dean!

YEARRRGHHH

[PVnRT]

42. Gee, my bad

If we don't support Kerry NOW, we are helping Bush. Real nice :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[joshcryer]

75. You are NO uniter.

Gggggrrrrrr.

[PVnRT]

36. Oh please

Yes, after ONE OFFICIAL PRIMARY, it's all over! Forget your candidate, come running to Kerry now! Before the sale is over!

Give me a break.

[markus]

46. We are united.

We just haven't selected a nominee yet.

However, if you really think Sen. Kerry should graciously withdraw and endorse Howard Dean, who am I to dispute you.

:evilgrin:

Seriously, your appeal will go over about as well as those of some of my fellow Dean supporters (and I don't know why I can't call them Deaniacs if I are one) who suggested everyone else should fold.

It's early. Talk to me in March.

[DjTj]

47. I am ABB...

...but not NBK...

to Feb.3!!

[Cheswick2.0]

48. Hell no

After two state primaries?

[oasis]

49. okay

[RetroLounge]

50. Congrats on tonight

but don't hold your breath...

[stuzzy]

55. I don't think so......Dean all the way

Kerry won't win, even if he wins the nomination. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush.

[Jack Rabbit]

51. Your case is a good one

However, this uncommitted voter will wait at least a week and probably longer than that.

[mzmolly]

53. NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

:hi:

[IndianaGreen]

54. ABK all the way!

We just had the first primary of the season, so any calls for unity would be premature if not downright offensive.

How can you have unity between people that disagree about the war?

[carpetbagger]

59. How you can have unity btwn people who disagree about war...

Whether or not a candidate authorized, didn't authorize, would, or wouldn't have authorized George Bush, it was Bush who decided to start this one.

It was Bush who decided to start this one after the threat of force gave us what we needed, i.e., UN inspections.

[IndianaGreen]

71. I didn't see Kerry speaking in opposition when the UN was forced...

by Bush to remove the inspectors. I didn't see or hear Kerry demand the impeachment of Bush after Bush ordered the troops to cross into Iraq.

Kerry is as guilty as Bush!

[Hoppin_Mad]

56. No thanks - I invite you to switch to Dean instead -nt-

[greatauntoftriplets]

58. Excessively premature.

It will take a clothespin on my nose to vote for Kerry.

[mikehiggins]

60. Hey, did you crib that from the old Dean playbook?

Frankly, my dear, I think the odds of us losing to Bush just went up exponentially.

Why would America as a whole vote into office a man who is a clear part of the very problem that gave us Bush in the first place?

I have a better idea. Why not unite behind an honest man (aka, not a professional politician) who can beat Bush in the South and be acceptable to all the states that went for Gore in 2000?

The folks who're supporting Clark aren't naive, or bamboozled or 4-star struck, you know. Many of us have been doing this politics stuff for a long time. We just don't think the guys running for the White House have the right stuff to close the sale with the general public.

Us Clark fans would be happy to have you guys climb on the train.

Toot! Toot! On to February!

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[Upfront]

61. Your Kidding

I hope. If not, dream on. Kerry is by far the worst possible choice to run against B###. If it came to b### or Kerry I would vote for Kerry. It would be the worst vote, and the most unhappy vote, I ever cast.

[Cassandra]

64. Whoever is the eventual nominee...

continuing the battle is good for the party. It sharpens the message, gives a spine to those who were lacking one, smooths off some of the sharp edges, and keeps our message front and center in the media. When you can have this much free publicity, why would you want to rush to that point where the only publicity is paid for (and then distorted by the media).

[Woodstock]

65. Can we wait until a few more states have a say so?

Thanks.

Also, it would be really helpful if you gave us reasons why we should back Kerry. Tell us what you like about him. Show us that he will forcefully go after Bush's disastrous policies with all the stops out.

[drfemoe]

68. Absolute Total Flame Bait ...

thanks for your call to *UNITY* ..

[elsiesummers]

69. No - too soon

and as a Democrat who wants to beat Bush I have a moral obligation to work for a candidate who I think can beat Bush - and IMO that isn't Kerry.

And while I like John Kerry, a lot I might add, (apparently unlike some here) and think he would make a very good president, he is a lousy candidate, IMO.

In fact, I think he will be a disaster in the GE.

I agree with the idea of the poster upthread who said that Bush will pull his "awe shucks beer buddy" routine and the wealthy John Forbes Kerry with his stiff speech pattern and foreign born wife will not go over well in middle America. Also, I can't see general election voters going for a first lady with a foreign accent. This was previously a problem for Bill Bradley, too. Teresa Heinz is quite attractive and smart - but I'm one of those urban coastal degenerates who's opinion won't matter. I'm sure this sounds horrible - but there it is.

So in fact, as a good Democrat, I owe it to my party to make sure Kerry isn't the nominee.

If Kerry is the nominee I will absolutely fight for him though - he will need every one of us because it will be an uphill battle all the way.

[Zinnola]

73. Not ready to back Kerry

I am going to work very hard for Dean. He is my first choice and it is too early to consider Kerry a shoo in.

[Duder]

74. I get to vote next...

...and I want real change not another real "deal".

If you really want to beat Bush you're riding the wrong horse with Kerry. Not only would it be a disaster in this GE but the after effects against progressives would carry over to 2008 as well.

[Anwen]

76. No thanks.

I'm not ready to rally behind someone who I don't believe in. I will continue to support Howard Dean all the way to the nomination, no matter what happens.

[Hippo_Tron]

77. First of all, as a Kerry supporter this thread is just plain obnoxious...

And all of these negative Kerry responses are well deserved. You're not only not drawing Kerry supporters by gloating that he will be the nominee when he's only won two states, but you're probably pissing off some people who might be considering voting Kerry or not at all. However, I do have a question for all of those who say they won't vote if it comes to Kerry vs. Bush. From what I've heard Kerry has never taken special interest campaign contributions. So how do you figure that he fights for big business just as much as Bush does?

[IndianaGreen]

79. No one has said they won't vote on a Bush v. Kerry race

However, I will say in the strongest terms possible that if Kerry becomes the Democratic nominee it will guarantee that Indiana will lose Democratic Governor Kernan to slime-bag Mitch Daniels. Kerry will be such a drag on the ticket that we will lose some state and local elections that we would have won otherwise.

Kerry's radical gun-grabbing voting record will not sell in Indiana!

[FrankBooth]

78. ABB

and again, ABB.

[IndianaGreen]

80. Libertarian is ABB

People should not parrot slogans that have been marketed by the DLC.

I am ABK!