Are DUers gullible?

[Toots]

I see posts here all the time about what a moron Bush* is and how no one can believe how stupid he is. Bush* is not stupid, he is a very good Con Artist. President Clinton said "Underestimate Bush* at your own Peril." The shirt buttoned incorrectly and the note asking permission to go to the bathroom are all a part of the act. He is keeping America "set up" for the taking. He is taking two hundred billion of tax payers money and giving it to Halliburton and other Republican companies to rebuild the south. He does away with Davis-Bacon so extra Profits are made by not having to pay a fair and decent wage and those extra profits will be kicked back into the GOP Coffers, probably around ten billion dollars. Not chump change if you know what I mean and most coming from Liberals who don't mind paying taxes for the benefit of society. Bush* has ended up smelling like a rose on every venture he ever entered into and people still think he is stupid.... Bush* is a very very good Con artist and the sooner we come to grips with that fact the better off we will all be. America is being fleeced and not by stupid people...

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. He's stupid like a fox. n/t

[zann725]

14. But eventually even the fox gets caught...

if he over-extends...under-estimates his prey. Throughout history, it's happened again and again.

"Clever" though this fox might be...he still can NOT complete a coherent sentence. That IS a handicap, indicating far more.

[iamjoy]

2. He Is Very Sly

that doesn't necessarily mean intelligent.

[Mutley]

3. I think Bush is stupid.

Or he deserves about 150 Oscars. I think it is the smart people behind the scenes that are actually doing all the things you described above.

[SteppingRazor]

4. I think both sides of this argument are right in their own way...

Bush is not smart in the Einstein/IQ sense of the word. But he has a sort of low cunning. To paraphrase my avatar, he's like a weasel on speed.

[Team44Car]

8. He is master of the con game; plays the part to perfection

[SteppingRazor]

11. See, I don't think he's playing any part...

What you see is what you get, when you look for it. That sort of snarky grin on his face whenever he says something that you know he's never going to follow through on. That sort of thing. If he's trying to con people, I don't think he does a very good job. The only people who believe the man anymore are the people who would believe anything that any conservative politician told them.
For these people, if Jim Jones were president, they'd drink the strychnine.
By the way, welcome to DU! :hi:

[Team44Car]

15. He is jus' a natural born sleaze who loves to smirk and gloat

He is very easy to hate.

By the way, Hello!

[Team44Car]

5. He is a consumate con artist

How he can keep the act going I don't know.
I could never do it. His PNAC boys really had this planned
out - the complete theft and dominance of America.
It's very depressing.

[Kota]

6. I think they let him look stupid to take the heat off. Its like the

C average student getting a C. You don't expect more.

[ihaveaquestion]

7. Con Artist, Yes

But the shirt mis-buttoning and the "potty-break" note are just evidence of how crude * is. Not every con-artist is slick and suave. One can be an intelligent con-artist and also be a vulgar person. * is this variety - a crude, vulgar, slimey con-man.

[Team44Car]

10. He is also cruel, cruel and wicked to the core.

[sui generis]

9. he's a lousy con artist

with a great team of extraordinary con artists backing him up.

Throughout history the real "powers" that be behind the throne have always preferred to put an imbecile on the velvet seat rather than someone who might thwart their own plans to gain power and wealth.

When us great unwashed masses finally do get around to the inevitable revulsion and rejection of the system, it is the idiot on the throne who loses his head while everyone else retires to their villas in other countries.

They don't WANT a smart republican in office to throw a wild card into their plans, they just want someone who is dumb enough to be grateful that he has such a "competent" team telling him what to do.

(why do I have that Carol Burnett skit with the queen and the prime minister going through my mind: she goes out to the balcony and says, "we plan on raising your taxes 10,000 percent" and then yells "duck" to her family so the arrows flying in from the crowd kill the prime minister.)

[Team44Car]

12. He doesn't write the script but his execution is flawless

He stays always above the fray yet he gets what he wants

[existentialist]

13. "America is being fleeced and not by stupid people."

True. The question is who is pulling the strings.

I remember that back in 2000, when Bush and Gore were campaigning Time also did a story on Scholastic testing, and threw in the respective candidates SAT scores as a side point. Gore's was 1320; Bush's was listed at 1205. I don't know how they came up with the 1205 because usually the numbers are given in round tens, but that was what they listed.

Assume Bush's SAT really was 1205. Discount only marginally for his advantages in prepping that most students wouldn't have, and you have some indication of someone with somewhat above average capabilities post high school. There are also all sorts of indications of idiosyncratic disabilities to a greater than average extent, but indeed, the picture is of someone who is not stupid.

The picture is also, however, of a person subject to subtle manipulations, and of those manipulations being used to control him. Who is doing these manipulations?

Rove? To some extent certainly.

Cheney? Almost certainly.

Hughes? Almost certainly.

Bush I? Probably to some extent, but probably not very effectively.

Jeb Bush? Almost certainly when his own interests and those of the State of Florida are at issue, but probably not to a great extent as a general matter.

Rice? Probably to some extent?

Unnamed rich Republican donors? I think you can take that one to the bank.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

19. Good points

But I think that many people mistake his demeanor for stupidity, in kind of a Jeff Foxworthy (sp?) way. We have come to think of the cowboy, pick-up truck kind of guy as not intellectual. But here in the deep south, that is not the case. It's a cultural thing.

Now, Bush effects those cultural trappings for a purpose, and probably has most of his life. He's a "real guy" "regular Joe" and that plays very well in the south.

He comes from Northeastern money and went to Ivy League schools. This persona is not accidental. If he allowed himself to be the true product of his upbringing, he's sound a whole lot more like John Kerry.

[Breeze54]

28. idiosyncratic disabilities?

idiosyncratic disabilities:
Of peculiar temper or disposition;
belonging to one's peculiar and individual persona

Is Bush ADD?
Let's take the test for him! :evilgrin:
With all the 'self-medicating he's done, ie.
alcohol and cocaine....
Do you really, truly think he's that smart?
I don't!
Answer the questions and think..."Katrina"...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Test for Adult ADD:
------------------------------------------------------
Adult Self-Report Scale (ASRS - V1.1)
Screener from WHO Composite International Diagonostic Interview
© World Health Organization.
http://www.adultadd.com/2_2_recognizing/screener.jsp?ccd=kwstra594
-----------------------------------------------------------
never? /rarely? /sometimes? /often? /very often?
-------------------------------------------------------------

1.)How often do you have trouble wrapping up the final
details of a project, once the challenging parts have been done?

------------------------------------------------------------

2.)How often do you have difficulty getting things in order
when you have to do a task that requires organization?
--------------------------------------------------------------

3.)How often do you have problems remembering appointments
or obligations?
----------------------------------------------------------

4.)When you have a task that requires a lot of thought,
how often do you avoid or delay getting started?
----------------------------------------------------------
5.)How often do you fidget or squirm with your hands
or your feet when you have to sit down for a long time?
-----------------------------------------------------------
6.)How often do you feel overly active and compelled
to do things, like you were driven by a motor?

____________________________________________________________
I think all of the above pertain to Bush in the 'VERY OFTEN'
category and that coupled with obvious learning disabilies!
He may be smart, socially, but not in critical thinking!
Even Laura says she has to go "settle him down"...
"get him 'organized' 'get him 'back on track' ...
Classic ADD/ADHD!
IMHO.....

:hi:

[BobBoudelangFan69]

16. shrub Doesn't Smell Like A Rose.

The actions of shrub Junta are just heavy handed power.

Yes We The People are in danger and the mob in power has the guns. Yet you give shrub credit for being 'wise.'

W.C. Field said "Never give a sucker an even break nor smarten up a chump." Just before they sprung the trap. shrub and Co may be on top now but the fall will be HARD when the rope snaps.


Bush Lied. People Died. Media Cheered.

[I Have A Dream]

21. Welcome to DU, BobBoudelangFan69. Glad to have you here! n/t

:)

[Maraya1969]

I don't think it matters much because anyway you look at it we don't

trust him, we think he is a snake and we think Karl Rove is his puppet master.

I am sure we are all aware that his speech last night was fraught with damage control and lies. So if he is smart or stupid he is still evil. That's enough for me.

[Gyre]

17. We can't get over the fact that our pretzeldent is visibly stupid.

I don't think that most DUers think that chimp is the primary problem. But he is a very visible abomination and stain on our country, so all evidence corroborating that gets alot of play here.

Gyre

[whatever4]

22. I agree, he shames us, whether he's really an idiot or not nm

[wpelb]

18. Who's really in charge?

I think most people here would argue that You-know-who's dad or friends of his dad are the ones really in charge. Cheney's influence certainly cannot be ignored or denied. Yet he's rarely mentioned in the media, if you think about it. Usually then it's only in connection with Halliburton or something. I think his ties to Halliburton are probably less than ethical, but that's only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

Let's face it, no matter who is elected president, there is a small but powerful, largely hidden group of people who pull all the strings. These people have connections to others like them around the world with similar influence in their own countries. I know that this sounds a bit paranoid-conspiracy minded, but I think it's true. What's funny is how the communists and the paranoid right-wingers say almost the same thing, but each thinks that the "real" power is on the other side of political spectrum.

[Tiggeroshii]

20. Agreed.

The guy's practically fooled everbody.

[underpants]

23. You are missing the point

they don't care about us. They don't care about anyone but the base. As long as the base stays happy* they can fix anything to look like they win.

The point is that it doesn't take much to keep their base actually happy. Regardless of whether or not they are being taken advantage of and are willing to take yet another one for the team THEY are completely convinced that they have to be happy or they are hurting the team, their team. It doesn't matter what W says-he isn't Clinton. That is all there is to it.


*that speech last night was triangulated in a way that would make Clinton happy. I am sure the noise machine is in full "REMAIN CALM ALL IS WELL" mode right now.

[sepia_steel]

24. Sorry, I still think he's stupid.

He was groomed for this job and his handlers know exactly how to handle him. I do believe he is greedy, corrupt, and heartless. And someone who doesn't seem to care about his own people is also emotionally stupid. He's stupid in many ways.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Speaking of gullible, his shirt was buttoned correctly. Why is that myth still circulating?

[Skittles]

25. the man is as dumb as a bag of hammers

the warning from Clinton about "underestimating" that piece of shit had more to do with retaliation from bush's puppet handlers than any "intelligence" bush has

[Blackwater]

26. It depends

Do you follow men or do you follow ideas?


All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it
would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes -- H. L. Mencken

[earth mom]

27. People say * is incompetent and I don't buy it.

* & Co has gotten just about everything they have wanted in 4 1/2 years to the detriment on this country and the planet. Make no mistake, it's all planned and going exactly the way those evil bastards want it to.

The screw up in NOLA has been "smoothed over" but it means absolutely nothing and will not benefit the citizens who are suffering from * & Cos inhumane treatment. Rather, every bit of *s speech and the money alloted for NOLA will serve and benefit *Co cabal solely. Everyone else can f*ck off as far as they are concerned.

:puke: