CNN's Global Summit w/Clinton/Wolfowitz and Others! Had to Turn It Off!

[KoKo]

You know why? Because I felt it was "pandering." Bill Clinton talking about "opening TRADE to impoverished countries when America is NOW and IMPOVERISHED COUNTRY. What?

We have such a terrible trade imbalance and Debt...because we DON'T PRODUCE ENOUGH HERE in AMERICA to compete with Cheap Third World Countries as it is!!!

I would love to buy goods from Africa and NOT CHINA...If proper labor laws were put in place. BUT MOST OF ALL...I WANT TO BUY just SOMETHING AMERICAN!

I've become an ISOLATIONIST! And my BELOVED BILL CLINTON and the PNAC/WOLFOWITZ'S and their Ilk have MADE ME SAY...COME HOME AMERICA...I'M SICK OF THIS "FREE TRADE CRAP" with a GLOBAL "Monopoly Board Game" being played in arrogance by the Clinton/Blair/Bush/NEO-CONS and the RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES who make all their $$$$$$$$$$$out of BILKING THE THIRD WORLD! Look at Jerry Falwal/Pat Robertson and look at many in our House and Senate who are doing "DEALS ON THE SIDE!"

I turned it OFF.. Sorry for raging FULL CAPS SCREAMING...

Did any of you see this as something better than my RANT? If you are still tuned tell me why I'm an ASS for TURNING IT OFF! I'm open to hearing that there was something better than what I heard. :shrug:

[madrchsod]

1. i know how you feel

that`s why i don`t watch television news anymore. putting old wine in new bottles

[Totally Committed]

2. Jeeeezussss.... if this keeps up much longer....

DU is gonna look like like the Jonestown Massacre! W T F is up with Clinton and the Democratic leaders today? Maybe some stars or planets are crossed or something but, W T F ? ? ? ?

If this keeps up, another Primal Scream may be in order...

TC

[AlinPA]

3. I surfed onto it and listened for less than a minute and Wolfowitz started

to talk and I was done. Skipped that stuff. Football helps a little to forget this fucked up country and its "leaders".

[Quakerfriend]

4. You are spot on KoKo, and

for the first time I must say, My beloved Bill MAKES ME SICK! I always trusted him until the day I say him glued to Poppy's side requesting Tsunami relief.

[KoKo]

18. It's almost "cruel." I know what you mean. n/t

[Connie_Corleone]

5. Proper labor laws are what they are talking about.

They want to make sure that proper laws are in place before trade is opened with these countries. The governments have to be held accountable. You didn't listen to enough of it.

Has General Discussion Politics become the Clinton haters club?

[Autonomy]

8. Thank you. Some folks are a bit overly reactive around here.

Clinton has always cared and tried the best way to get something done. Besides, Bono seems to agree with him. 'Nuff said.

[KoKo]

13. Bush just suspended the Davis-Bacon Act which Labor Leaders fought

bloody wars in the streets of America for back in the early part of the 20th Century. "Labor Laws" no longer apply in America because of the Massive Katrina Corporatist Project.

And these people can sit there and play games with US? Telling us their Think Tank view of what "Outta' Be" in the World Global Economy???

We are pieces on a Monopoly Board...they shift us around in their WORLD VIEW OF GLOBAL ECONOMICS. Take from one part of the world temporarily to give to another part of the world "temporarily" and put an Alan Greenspan in charge to Manipulate World Currency with his henchman Wolfowitz at World Bank and his other Thug Bolton at United Nations and put the Globalized Banks like their buddies Citi-Bank and Banc One and MBNA and the rest in Charge....AND ALL WILL BE SO HAPPY!

After all the whole scheme is to move poverty from country to country with sort of a "rolling wave" and follow it with Globalized funding after the Corporatists have raped the National Resources of Minining Minerals and Agriculture and when that well runs dry, then move off to the next hot spot and give AID, AID..to those the Globalist/Capitalist/Corporatists have raped and used...Have a SUMMIT on a Corporate owned Media Outlet and "DISCUSS HOW YOU'VE RAPED AND PILLAGED AND GLOBALIZED" and watch the MASSES just LAP IT UP!

Good Good AWMIGHTY.... In the midst of what's going on in America today for them to have even thought of doing this on CNN shows how terrible these times are for all of us.

[TheStates]

6. Bill Clinton and Paul Wolfowitz??? Partners in crime.

The DLC is nothing less than a neocon cell as far as I can understand....

The only reason Clinton would be pandering to them, is he has either joined them completely or is doing some inside job.

I believe more along the lines of he is part of them now.

I've never trusted a thing from the DLC......Never have and never will.

These liars do the opposite of what america wants, time and time again. Which is why its time for a real cleanout.....

Wolfowitz and Clinton together put the picture out clearly for me.....Sickening.

[Connie_Corleone]

7. The only reason Wolfowitz is there is because he is head

of the World Bank. If someone else was head of it, that person would be there.

[TheStates]

11. And how are you sure of this?

Wolfowitz is the leader of PNAC. What is their plan for world-trade exactly? CAFTA? NAFTA? Something even more cynical?

[MaineDem]

15. I agree with you (nt)

[KoKo]

16. When the "Queen of Jordan" said: "When you focus on Young Women

their Education Rates Increase and they become More involved in their Family Making Decisions." :eyes:

That was part of what made me turn it off. And, in the meantime CNN has half the screen showing all the missing children from Katrina!

My God...Have they NO UNDERSTANDING?

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Absolutely....

It's one thing for Clinton to be organizing relief efforts with Poppy. Both are ex Presidents, and it's not unprecendted for former Presidents to cross party lines in a time of crisis.

But appearing with Paul Wolfowitz is just like cruising for chicks with Ted Bundy as far as I'm concerned. And actually Wolfowitz is far more of a serial murderer than Ted was.

[lancdem]

17. You act like Wolfowitz was the only one attending

There were all kinds of foreign leaders and many veterans of the Clinton administration, such as Richard Holbrooke.

[KoKo]

19. Did they say something really good to hear, though? Please post!

I asked if anyone who continued to watch heard something really good coming out of this. I think it's still going on..

Please post if you hear something good...some of us need to hear it...

[Connie_Corleone]

20. Well they talked about solutions to global warming

and religious extremism, but I guess those topics aren't important here.

[Mass]

23. They are, when they are not used as a promotion for the host

Where were the activists who spent their lives working on these issues? Why were there not invited in the discussion? It was striking when it came to global climate change. It was nearly as striking when it came to religious extremism. Many people in the panel did not belong there and many people who belong there were absent.

But, as it was mainly made so that Clinton could be seen among other rich and powerful people and that Hillary could be part of that, no surprise.

[Connie_Corleone]

26. You need money to implement the solutions.

That's the main thing about Clinton's initiative. To make sure rich countries and the private sector follow through on their promises of putting money in so the solutions can be implemented. Actions backed up by their words.

It's one thing to be an activist, but if you don't have the money to make the changes, you're not going to get very far. Bono was there, and he knows that it takes money to do this.

On edit: I don't know why I bother. People have already made up their minds and believe what they want to, so to hell with it.

[Mass]

31. Well, sorry, but it looks like a promotionnal thing for him and his wife

and nothing else, IMHO.

If you want to see a good action that really helped people, look at "Habitat for Humanity". They got money and do a lot of useful things and Carter did not spend his time talking and promoting himself.

Sorry that you are bothered by how other people see the thing, but that is life.

[KoKo]

29. Given that Katrina and all the Hurricane Activity that's been going on

in the past 6 years and the Religious Extremism by Falwell, Robertson and others that's brought this Country almost to the brink of Civil War...I'm glad they addressed that. TRULY!

But, did they discuss it from a World View, alone? Did anyone mention what's been going on in the US with this...or do they think it's all the Islamic Countries that are responsible for the Religious Fundie part and that Global Warming is just a "Challenge" which must be viewed by nations that SIGNED the Kyoto Treaty? After all, Bush doesn't believe in Global Warming and Clinton and Bush both refused to sign the treaty for reasons which sound very valid to many voters. :shrug:

Did what they said sit well with you as applies to our own lives here in America? Honestly..??? What did you think about what they said. :shrug:

[Connie_Corleone]

33. Why don't you watch the rerun if you want to know what was said.

What do you want, a transcript? Either go to the CNN website and read the transcript, watch the rerun later tonight or stop asking what was said.

You're the one who made the decision to turn it off. If you wanted to know what was said, you should've watched the whole thing.

On edit: It's called a GLOBAL summit. They were discussing GLOBAL issues. This was in the works months before Katrina. But, go ahead and continue to blame them for not focussing on just the United States.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. Holbrooke is a PNAC signator

...which means he is part of the problem.

[KoKo]

21. Your post kind of hits it...and thanks for the humor, too!

I needed a little dose of cynicism ...and a chuckle...as sad as what you say is...it's gallows humor...and the way I feel.

Cruising for chicks with Ted Bundy...OMG...:D

[TheStates]

34. Lots of people think openly that Clinton could never be part of the fold..

That he couldn't be part of PNAC and so on that it just isn't possible.........But we know better, alot of us see the reality for what it is.

I've always felt there was something not quite right about Clinton......and I do know his NAFTA bill wasn't quite right. Now we have the evidence of that, showing him openly mingling with PNAC signatories and other officials.

But will america wake up to the truth about Clinton in time? I don't know about Hillary....though I have no trust in her I doubt she is a player in PNAC. PNAC is too extreme for many people, I would assume.

[tabasco]

36. That about sums it up for me.

I said to my mother it was like sitting on stage with Al Capone, lending him credibility. Wolfowitz is one of the most harmful criminals that ever gained power in this nation. Clinton is placing himself on the wrong side of history.

[lancdem]

14. Wolfowitz was one of hundreds of people there

Clinton is not becoming a neocon. :eyes:

[dogindia]

9. I think you are wrong

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. We know but I agree with the OP

time to stop pandering to the gloalists and reindustrilize this country, or the successor states after the US falls apart

[KoKo]

24. Thanks...I did ask for opinions from those who stayed with it...what did

you think about it? Can we really divorce what's going on in America today with our Massive Debt/Trade Imbalance, Katrina Costs and higher fuel prices with the folks on this panel's view of Globilization?

Why is "American Isolationism" a wrong concept given what's going on out there with our National Guard serving in Iraq and so our own country isn't protected in times of Disaster within our shores?

National Guard was NEVER meant to fight outside US Borders.

These folks talk about Global Trade lifting folks out of Poverty when America now Imports almost all it's goods and Exports only arms (nukes and guns and money). :shrug:

Did anyone EVER ADDRESS THIS in this Conference? :shrug: If they did, how did they speak about it.

[welshTerrier2]

22. here's a hint ...

C-Span2 has the Galloway-Hitchens debate (9pm edt) ...

[KoKo]

25. Now....there's NO WAY I was gonna watch that one...But thanks...

The Global Conference was supposed to be my alternative to the Galloway/Hitch food fight.

:D Thanks...I did get your humor...though. :-)'s

[welshTerrier2]

28. many DU'ers can't stand to watch bush on TV ...

i'm one of them ... but, i can't stand listening to Clinton either ...

[magnolia]

30. I couldn't DISAGREE with you more.

You are very short sighted. Maybe if a few of you actually watched and listened instead of stewing in your hatred and judgement you would have learned something. It's not a choice anymore. We are all connected. What happens to one country happens to everyone.

[KoKo]

32. Please...I asked folks to tell me what they thought and counter my dark

view before I had to turn it off.

What did you hear that made you hopeful. Was it a discussion that presented a point of view that seemed to seem realistic to you?

I can understand that my post might have sounded that way to some folks..but I did ask for someone to tell me the GOOD THINGS about this Globilization Conference.

:shrug:

[KoKo]

35. No Answer?

:shrug: