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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:06 PM
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I am a Centrist...
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 07:12 PM by catnhatnh
....I believe in the following:
1.universal suffrage:until all votes count,none count...
2.universal health care:until guaranteed it is a wedge between classes...
3.universal free education:the ONLY leveler between the classes...
there it is-one vote,one schooling,one health care system...which one confuses you???
And HOW does this make me a leftist??????????????????????
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:09 PM
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1. What's wrong with being a leftist? n/t
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:16 PM
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2. Not a Damn thing on Earth...
...but allowing "them" to define the scale...And thanks...that was the entire point of the post-what "they" call leftist is the minimum we should do.....
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:20 PM
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3. Centristst & moderates fit squarely in the center of the Democratic Party
There is no place for either in the fucking crazy GOP.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:22 PM
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4. universal health care definitely makes you a lef...no, actually, a commie.
Kill yourself now. You mustn't become one of us. We're horrible people.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:27 PM
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6. No,
I am redefining what the center is-those are my three minimums...until those are "guaranteed" any other "ism" should be called "failed systems"...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:25 PM
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5. Burn him/her!! Oh, it was a trick
It doesn't it makes you a socialist!! Burn him/her!!!
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:37 PM
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7. Wrong song Max..
I'm SO far left that Mao looks like a moderate to me...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:46 PM
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9. Just a poor attempt at humor.
I don't think your ideals are the problem. Its simply how to convince this country that tax money can be spent wisely again and for their benefit, so they stop voting for tax cuts.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:40 PM
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8. I'm with you
too bad CNN would call you a communist lefty pinko, if you ran for public office, anyway.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:58 PM
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10. Think about it this way.
Take someone who holds these positions:

1. It's not really important whether our votes are accurately counted.
2. It's completely acceptable that 45 million Americans don't have health insurance. Poor people don't deserve it.
3. Rich people deserve a better education than poor people. Equality of opportunity is wrong.

Now, that's an extremist. Your beliefs which counter these are mainstream common sense ideas.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 08:09 PM
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11. I think Americans are ready to hear about
health care and education issues.

Under shrub health care has become nothing more than perks for the insurance companies- neither doctors or patients are happy.

For all the talk about vouchers and home schooling- people want to send their kids to good schools, public schools, that will prepare them for successful life as adults.

That should not be a hard sell- just need to get their focus off:

less lawsuits = better health care
vouchers for faith based organizations

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:19 PM
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12. Do you believe almost everything you hear from the MSM?
If not, I'm afraid that you'd have to be considered a leftist.:shrug:
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:40 PM
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13. You're right.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 09:49 PM by Don1
On a relative scale in the US regarding the two party system and its stances, you are a leftist. On a theoretical scale, you are a centrist.

You might need the entire Democratic Party, though, to change its terminology to grant you this title. Instead of calling itself the left like it does on Sirius Left and Air America etc etc, it needs to call itself the center. I mean, after all it has neo-conservatives like Zell, Lieberman, and half the DLC in it. On the opposite side is the Progressive Caucus.

Overall, centrist...
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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:50 AM
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17. Exactly! And the only way to change this neo-centrist bs...
...is to give more MSM time to Socialist party leaders, Worker's World Party, etc. That would probably scare several "centrists" back to the neo-limp-left we have now.

It'd be hilarious to see people who describe themselves as fiscally conservative Republicans clamoring to vote Dem to avoid a Worker takeover of the country. Suddenly, supporting national health insurance would seem like a "centrist" position.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:51 PM
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14. Anybody to the left of Bush is
considered "leftist" these days. I used to consider myself to be somewhat centrist, but I have been "pushed to the left" by the radical right wing. A lot of my views have become more liberal in recent years. It seems like the more information I get, the more I see that the progressive side is superior on the issues.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:28 PM
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16. I feel the same way n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:18 PM
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15. Live by principles not by titles.
You are greater than the sum of your ideologies, we all are.

Theories come and go, problems change into solutions, a strong moral compass for right and wrong is the ticket.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:11 AM
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18. I really think we ought to reclaim the word 'liberal'.
There's a number of fundamental differences between liberalism and leftism, and I, too, bristle at being called a leftist. I'm not a communist, I don't believe that private property is inherently evil.

Liberals believe in markets, not planned economies like leftists. But the difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals believe in creating *fair* markets. Minimum wage, antitrust laws, FDIC, Food and Drug Administration... these are all liberal inventions.

I really would like to see people start drawing the line between liberalism and leftism, because they're too different to be lumped together.
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