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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:31 PM
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there are now "two voices in the Democratic Party" when it comes to Iraq.
The Nation http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051003/nichols


article | posted September 15, 2005 (October 3, 2005 issue)
Winning the Peace
John Nichols

In the crowd that gathered outside the Catonsville, Maryland, public library in August to support antiwar mom Cindy Sheehan's demand that President Bush listen to her plea for an end to the US occupation of Iraq, the distinguished gentleman in "CEO casual" dress was instantly recognizable. Women holding BRING OUR CHILDREN HOME banners nodded, men with STOP THE WAR signs waved and eventually one person after another edged over to shake the hand of Kweisi Mfume, the former NAACP president who is seeking an open Senate seat from Maryland. They were thanking Mfume for being something that is still all too rare--a prominent Democrat who is willing to stand unapologetically with the movement to bring troops home from a war that has gone horribly awry. Mfume smiled and told his well-wishers, "This is the right place to be for the right reasons."

Mfume will get no argument from the party faithful on that point. There is a growing sense that any Democrat who wants to be a leader of what is supposed to be America's opposition party--and of the nation in which it is competing for power--must be front and center in the antiwar movement. Of course, this is not yet the case. As Mfume told the crowd in Catonsville, there are now "two voices in the Democratic Party" when it comes to Iraq. Such Democratic luminaries as senators Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and minority leader Harry Reid continue to echo Bush Administration spin about how the United States must "stay the course." But the antiwar voice is growing louder. Loud enough, perhaps, to force the Democratic leadership to offer something more than an echo--or, if need be, to replace that leadership with Democrats who can present a genuine alternative to the neoconservative national security policies that have made America anything but secure.

"Too many of the leading figures in the Democratic Party made a terrible mistake in 2002 and 2004: They allowed the White House to intimidate them into not opposing an unpopular and misguided war," says Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, a maverick Democrat who has emerged as one of the party's most thoughtful dissenters. "If we don't want to make the same mistake in 2006 and 2008, we have to be moving now to break the taboo that says we cannot talk about ending our involvement in Iraq and bringing our troops home."

Indeed, if the summer of 2005 taught us anything, it is that the intellectually and morally proper course also happens to be the politically practical one. The country is ready for a bolder critique of the President and his war. The Maryland vigil that Mfume joined was just one of 1,600 held in small towns and big cities across America in support of Sheehan--preludes to a September 24 rally in Washington that is expected to draw tens of thousands. Seven state Democratic parties, so far, have called for withdrawing US troops from Iraq. And in the early stages of 2006 Senate races, Democratic primary contenders like Mfume and Rhode Island's Matt Brown have made antiwar messages central to their candidacies.


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:45 PM
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1. YES YES YES!!!! Kicked and recommended!
Excellent article-- thank you for posting this-- it gives me some hope.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:48 PM
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2. The Nation...
is a very good source of information.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:55 PM
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3. Two word and Kweisi's got my vote.
IMPEACH BUSH! Once the master disaster has been removed and his war crimes and negligent mass homicide trial is underway. I think Mfume would be a very food man to have in DC to help with the southern poverty issues. It's not just NOLA. Miss. and Ala. have severe poverty problems too. Not to mention that he will do well for Maryland also. I think he's our only hope of beating Steele. Ehrlich has already begun his Vote for Steele or your a racist campaign. At least that will cool Bobby's jets on sowing racial discord to divide and conquer. Besides I don't think this country can take another fiscally irresponsible republican in DC. If it wasn't for the money he made in the governors race. Mike Steele would be HOMELESS. Instead of standing By Bob Ehrlich's side at the RNC as he screams democrats are racists! Mike Steele would be at the RNC singing Brother can you spare a dime?
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:08 AM
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5. maybe it will spread...
The country is ready for a bolder critique of the President and his war. The Maryland vigil that Mfume joined was just one of 1,600 held in small towns and big cities across America in support of Sheehan--preludes to a September 24 rally in Washington that is expected to draw tens of thousands. Seven state Democratic parties, so far, have called for withdrawing US troops from Iraq. And in the early stages of 2006 Senate races, Democratic primary contenders like Mfume and Rhode Island's Matt Brown have made antiwar messages central to their candidacies.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:45 AM
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12. That would be smart of him. Maryland has a very vocal minority that
supports the war. He just needs to present the clear message. The troops have done their part bravely and heroically. But Bush didn't do his part at all. There was no attack because there were no WMD's to attack with. There was a 288 ton stock pile of legal High density explosives that the UN informed them about. But Bush chose to guard the oil ministry offices in Operation Iraqi Liberation. No those HDE's are probably fueling IED's and Bush is afraid to address the subject more or less ask the hard questions about it.
But most of all he will need a signifigant internet team to fight the Republican brownshirts smear campaign on the internet. Especially at the Sun. They have a whole team of people that just go whining to T/A to get the heavy hitting Bush and Bobby bashers banned. The internet smears will hurt him worse than any commercial. They've already started. He has 5 kids by 5 different babies momma's. He's a heroin dealer. Etc. Him being head of the NAACP is just more than the down with the Bro's Republicans can handle. If Maryland were a red state he'd be in trouble. But we're smarter than that.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:06 AM
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4. disgusted with Democrats ...
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 12:10 AM by welshTerrier2
there is just no more being nice to the out-of-touch Democrats ... some who defend them peddle such nonsense as "well, my candidate wants to withdraw from Iraq" ... talk about cognitive dissonance ... can they hear themselves ?????

saying that you want to withdraw after we achieve x, y or z is NOT calling for withdrawal ... it's calling for continuing the mission !!!

got that ?????

withdrawal means withdrawal and talking about tinkering with how bush is waging the war is NOT WITHDRAWAL ...

read those who are telling the truth about the desperate situation the US occupation has created in Iraq ... read Cole, or Galloway or Dahr Jamail ... stop pretending that your advice, no matter how well intended or how viable, is going to result in change ... the only thing that will let Iraq "evolve", whether for better or worse, is US withdrawal ... anything else does not more than establish a corporate, puppet regime for the neo-cons and their big, oily clients ...

if your candidate is not calling for immediate withdrawal, tell them to get with the program ... after October 15, and that's plenty of time to formulate a withdrawal program, it's all out attack time on each and every foot-dragging Democrat ... quit tap dancing, quit spinning, quit offering your oh-so-wise ideas about how we can succeed in Iraq and call for withdrawal NOW ...

you are now in the minority ... you are now NOT representing either the majority of Americans or the majority of Democrats ... if you want us to support you in the future, then represent us now ... if you don't, we will fight you as hard as we can ...

Mfume is dead on when he observes that there are now two voices on Iraq in the Democratic Party ... one voice is the voice of the majority who wants us out NOW ... the other voice is most of our elected "leaders" who just don't get it ... there's not much "democratic" about that ...
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:11 AM
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6. Right on, friend!
My sentiments exactly! NO MORE MONEY OR SUPPORT OF VICHY DEMS!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:13 AM
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7. great post!!...
you are now in the minority ... you are now NOT representing either the majority of Americans or the majority of Democrats ... if you want us to support you in the future, then represent us now ... if you don't, we will fight you as hard as we can ...
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:19 AM
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8. October 15 ...
encourage first, then warn, then fight ...

i'm hoping that both Clark, and even Kerry, will join our call ... skeptical they will? it doesn't hurt to ask ...

October 15 begins my bombardment campaign against each and every war supporter ... and, "war supporter" will be defined as those who are NOT calling for immediate withdrawal ... after October 15, i am done asking nicely ...

for now, you who are supporting candidates with anything but an "out NOW" view, tell them to join us ... ask them to join us ... get them to join us ... we welcome their support ... we need their voice ... we need their leadership ...
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:29 AM
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10. you have a great point...
but it's hard to trust ANY OF THEM!! i am in the process of trying to rid us of santorum and sherwood of the 10th cong. dist. in PA, but i WILL contact Casey and Carney, just to see if i even get an answer!!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:47 AM
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13. PA Polls?
a few days ago i thought i saw some polls that said Casey was not a "shoe in" in the Democratic primary ... is this true ???

does Pennacchio actually have a chance or have i been hallucinating again ??

just for the record, i hate that the Party has endorsed Casey because of his barbaric anti-choice (not just anti-abortion) stance ...
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:30 AM
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17. i feel the same way...
about the party endorsement of casey, but he does look like a soe in and also stands the best chance of beating santorum. i don't like the anti-choice thing either. but hes is good for labor and the poor.
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truthout Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:36 AM
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11. EXACTLY!
It's time to get real respresentation that will really say what we feel. No more Democrats that have the same exactly words as the Republicans. It's time folks to take a stand and let them know who the majority is around here.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:51 AM
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14. they used to portray us anti-war types as the "1% radical fringe"
suddenly we're mainstream and the party's "leaders" are suddenly the "fringe" ... the DLC elitists have become awfully quiet on this point ...

the clock is ticking and the midterms are about to kick off ... the out-of-touch fringe better get with the program damned soon or there will be holy hell to pay ... they ignore the majority populist uprising at their own peril ... let's hope they come around before it's too late ...

welcome to DU, truthout !!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:34 AM
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18. i was against this war from the start...
i had some arguments with friends abouy it, now they agree with me, we should have never invaded iraq. so some are comming around.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:56 AM
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19. welcome to DU truthout!!
:hi:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:33 PM
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21. Hi truthout!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:23 PM
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25. Help me with my post about Pelosi!
I just posted something about a planned protest at Pelosi's office in San Francisco. She is supporting the Iraq occupation

It deserves to be read by everyone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4824298


Could you recommend it? Last one was deleted by admins.

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:54 PM
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22. Yes! This is what we need to be saying.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:27 AM
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9. Pelosi is a case in point.
I also kicked this article. Important to read, and there are steps we can take to correct this situation. It is in the best interest of the Democratic Party, but also, and most importantly by far, in the best interest of us humans who want to live in a peaceful world.

On September 26, the Bay Area coalition of United for Peace and Justice will confront Pelosi on her continue willingness to fund this occupation. She represents one of the most anti-war cong. districts in the nation, but refuses to take any steps to end the war. Even ones supported by many other Bay area Congresspeople.

More info on this can be found at
http://upj-bayarea.org/
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:52 AM
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15. Sadly, Mfume's campaign seems to be going nowhere
He would have been my guy in the primaries, not just for this position, but for many other reasons, too.

Sadly, that dust-up in the 'behind the scenes' political crap from the NAACP hasn't helped him. And the WaPo publishing it didn't help either.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:59 AM
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16. The Dem "leaders" who WILL NOT LEAD FORWARD must be marginalized
and true leaders of integrity and passion must step forward. It's good to see this happening at last.

I am sickened by the GOP-colluding, politics-as-usual, head-in-the-sand DLC "Democrats." In this crucial time, a turning point one way or the other, they are STILL spouting the same old garbage. May they find their accustomed retinues of unquestioning followers melting away, turned to REAL leaders.

It's good to see the huge gap between progressive, forward-looking Dems and the DINOs finally being recognized for what it is and leaders of integrity stepping forward.

Recommended if there is still time.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:02 PM
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20. i agree with you, but...
we are going to need a UNITED party to win anything. how this will happen, i don't know. but we need some progressive dems to stand up and take the lead.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:06 PM
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23. I agree. I believe most people, even most Repubs, are hungry for a
true leader with integrity who can offer a solid, planned alternative to the horrors and fear-mongering of the neocons. If such a leader steps forward, I believe the marginization of the ineffective ones will happen because they have so little to offer in comparison.
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:09 PM
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24. Well,
does this mean that Mfume will win the MD Dem primary and go on to lose to the Repub in the general election? I know MD is anti-war, but I saw a poll that had Mfume trailing Michael Steele (R) with the other Dem beating him. :shrug:

I'm all for dropping some balls though... WTG Kwesi.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:32 PM
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26. i think it...
magnifies the split in our party. i too am disgusted by some of our leaders, but somehow we must find a way to unite or forever be a minority party.
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