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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:46 AM
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selling off national forest land? Say it ain't so.
www.wilderness-sportsman.com



"The Forest Service utilized a recent federal law, which allows certain lands to be sold to offset costs of a new project. In this case, the Forest Service will use this land to build a new ranger station to replace the old one."


Not a good precedent.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:58 AM
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1. BushCo are doing their damnedest to negate ALL . . .
environmental protections . . . they don't believe in them, and they're "bad for business" . . .
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:01 AM
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3. Jebus is coming. No need to steward the resources of our planet
for our children or grandchildren.

"Take what you can grab now." - BushCo Christian* Guiding Principles


* Skull & Bones UberCult
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pushycat Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:12 AM
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9. When the truth is, environmental protections are actually
good for business all around. And they are especially valuable in providing healthy water, air, soil, etc for all things to thrive. The only thing 'bad for business' in this is it benefits all citizens, not just the few and greedy.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:00 AM
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2. Of course not, but it's all part of the Republican plan to force
the public to sell its own resources. Don't expect them to raise taxes for the common good.

We've reached anarchy boys. As soon as they sell off all our national parks, there won't be a reason why we have to be a national size country. Nothing binding us together, so I can see the day when we will disjoin as a country.

Maybe the Democrats would be wise to just work in those states where we're the strongest so we can be prepared for the secession days?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:27 AM
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5. I agree, the United States as it presently exists is too large.......
and needs to be broken up into several different independent sovereign nations. These new countries could be formed based on different ideologies and priorities. This would allow us to abolish the Federal government in Washington D.C. which in itself would be a tremendous accomplishment. It is the ONLY HOPE for the environment; bushco won't be satisfied until they have clear cut the entire nation.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:04 AM
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6. You do realize that Washington D.C. is 90% democratic, don't you?
I disagree regarding D.C. Once around the mall and the monuments and you realize that it represents the democratic ideal. I defy any real American to walk through the FDR monument area without crying. If you can manage to do it without shedding a tear, you're a Republican.

I think it's worth fighting for.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:52 AM
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8. You misunderstand me....
I was speaking about the Federal Government itself, not eliminating the beautiful city of Washington, D.C.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:06 PM
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10. Well, as a daughter of a civil servant,
I can say emphatically that Federal government is only as good as the people allow it to be. Which I guess is what they mean when they say you get the government you deserve.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:34 PM
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11. While I am sure your parent is a dedicated civil servant, our...
government is no longer in the hands of "the people" but instead is controlled, manipulated and fleeced by the corporations and the filthy rich. I certainly don't believe I deserve this corrupt government and I'm certain all of the people here on DU don't deserve it either. Don't let your parent's employment affiliation with the federal government cloud your good sense of reason. Our federal government is a behemoth monster that is totally out of control.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:46 PM
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12. There were two things we could have done/do:
(1) We could redefine the word "government." Government as run by the Democrats is totally different than the way it's run by the Republicans. It deserves a different definition. It's like those three brothers on Green Acres. How do you know which one you're talking about if they have the same name? One form of government just needed fine tuning, the other is turning out to be a nightmare.

(2) We made a terrible mistake in 2004, by not taking to the streets. We should have done that if for no other reason to force the media to do their jobs and look at the election fraud.

We get the government we deserve. I would love to believe that we could fix what went wrong, in a democratic way. But we don't trust the voting booths anymore, and that means we have to ratchet up the next level with civil protests. I think it will be easier next time because we'll have alot of ex-Bush voters with us getting burned and I suspect they won't take too kindly to this feeling of helplessness.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:19 AM
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4. The rape of the land continues. n/t
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:14 AM
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7. Texas is trying to sell part of Big Bend right now.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:51 PM
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13. 17 acres "accidentally" logged
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:07 PM
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14. Didn't *** already screw up the environment in Texas?
They succeeded in making environmental concerns a joke to the nation and stupid, stupid people who think environmentalism is having open land for ATV's, and shooting ducks and deer.

The I don't hunt there so who gives a sh*t, mentality.

Forgetting that the environment is alive, organic and all tied together.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:23 PM
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15. same as it ever was (hint: Forest *SERVICE*)
The Forest Service's job is, essentially, to serve the forests to those with the most powerful lobbies. In this case, it includes, and always has included, the timber industry. The Forest Service is tasked with parcelling out the national forests to various private interests in proportion to their influence.
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