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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:10 PM
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Is this Website Documenting Rush's Homosexuality accurate????
http://pssht.com/biography/rush_limbaugh.html

"...After more failed stints with Missouri radio stations Limbaugh
moved to Sacramento, CA, where he met and became "friends"
with Norm Woodruff, a flamboyant, openly gay man with a
great deal of influence in the local radio scene. Woodruff, who
mentored Limbaugh in the ways of affluence and elitism (traits
Rush mocks today), would later died of AIDS.

Through his ties to Woodruff Limbaugh was given Morton
Downey, Jr.'s spot on KFBK News Talk 1530 a.m. Within
twelve months Limbaugh had become the most popular radio
personality in Sacramento. In 1988 he signed on with EFM
Media Management, working from New York City..."
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:12 PM
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1. Not necessarily...
The rumor has been around for years, but nothing has ever come even close to being substantiated.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:16 PM
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4. Well, Rush's biographer confirmed that Woodruff was his gay mentor.
From a review of the undisputed biography "RUSH!" by Michael Arkush

Library of Congress catalog number 93-90612
ISBN: 0-380-77539-5

Arkush was not entirely complimentary. He criticizes Rush for not crediting Norm Woodruff for pulling the strings that got him into KFBK, which was where he was working when he met Ed McLaughlin. Norm gave Rush that last chance (he had been fired a number of times and fallen into obscurity while working in baseball). Norm taught Rush how to dress for success and presented him to KFBK at a key moment -- upon the firing of Morton Downey. Arkush says Rush fails to give Woodruff his just credit for his involvement in Rush's success, which if it ever does come will have to come posthomolously. Woodruff died in the mid 1980's of AIDS. He was gay.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:14 PM
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2. I did not know that he is a college dropout!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:18 PM
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6. Why? Has either man shown a respect for education?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:21 PM
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7. Except when his gay mentor, Mr. Woodruff "taught him how to dress"
He was apparently a most willing pupil in that endeavor.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:16 PM
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3. Looks like his career
was launched by a gay man ~ seems he was a failure until they met.

As far as whether or not he is gay, I hope not!! What a terrible thing that would be for decent gays everywhere!

www.pinsforpatriots.com
www.bendermandefense.com
www.talknation.org
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:17 PM
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5. Rush should be more open about his gay mentor...
I'll bet his fans would like to know more details. I know I would.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:21 PM
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8. Oh Lordy! Say it ain't so!
It's bad enough we have to claim Roy Cohn, Cardinal Spellman and J. "Edna" Hoover! Don't put Rush on out team! Pleeeeeaaaaassssseeee!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:22 PM
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9. I DONT CARE. nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:26 PM
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12. You cared enough to post. n/t
n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:23 PM
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10. Having straight Friends and mentors doesn't
make gay folk straight. And vice-versa.

Hmmm, didn't Rush used to design his own line of ties back in the 80's?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:25 PM
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True- but I'd like to hear Rush say that himself.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 03:31 PM by Dr Fate
Instead of gay bashing. What is he hiding by never mentioning this career making friend of his?

How come "Norm" never comes up when Rush reminisces about his old days as Rock & Roll DJ, "Jeff Christie?"

And you are right- Rush is also a fashion designer...hmmmmmm.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:28 PM
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18. Design ties?
So did Jerry Garcia, but I don't think he was gay.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:48 PM
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19. The main difference is Jerry had sex with women- he has children.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 04:50 PM by Dr Fate
And the other main difference is Jerry did not have gay friends that he kept secret from his fans.

Compare this to Rush's 3 childless (sexless?) marriages and his secretive treatment of his mentor, Norm Woodruff.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:56 PM
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22. Ridiculous argument.
Oscar Wilde had two children.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:08 PM
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27. Thus proving that Oscar Wilde had sex with women.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:14 PM by Dr Fate
Some gay men apparently do that, some do not. Plus Wilde was back in the 1800's- when you could go to prison for being gay-as he did. So it's no suprise that Wilde went that far to cover himself.

Looks like we are back to square one.

What is Rush's reason for never having kids? I thought he was all for conservative family life, the sanctity of marriage, etc.

All these secrets he keeps are very suspicious, to say the least.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:51 PM
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41. Oh, lots of designers and artists are straight.
But try telling that to the freeps and such who think it's "femme."

Actually, I can't recall any overt gay-bashing by Rush. Certainly not like the way he pounces on feminists and such.

Hmmmm....

Can anyone recall any examples of Rush gay-trouncing?

Trouncing, not romping.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:56 PM
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43. "freeps and such who think it's "femme." That is the whole point. n/t
n/t
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ZigSteenine Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:05 PM
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25. As I recall, the ties were Marta's little business.
She designed them for him.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:08 PM
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29. A likely story. The cover work of a beard is never done.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:09 PM by Dr Fate
Those fruity looking ties have "Jeff Christie" all over them.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:44 PM
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40. Heehee! Hey, don't stop me from "catapulting the propaganda!"
Welcome to DU, ZigSteenine! :hi:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:54 PM
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42. Yeah, but the ties were just the Oxycontin talking.
Rush figured if Jerry Garcia could turn his hallucinations into ties, why shouldn't he be able to do the same.

Of course Jerry's ties weren't fucking hideous, but why wouldn't Limbaugh's be an extention of his personality.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:25 PM
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11. Just because Rush had a
gay mentor, does not mean Rush was gay at one point.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:28 PM
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13. As long as Rush keeps "Norm" a secret from his fans...
...then it is okay to make some educated guesses.

What is he hiding by never mentioning this career making friend of his?

How come "Norm" never comes up when he reminisces about the old days as a Rock & Roll DJ?

These are the questions I'd like answers to. All we get is gay bashing on Rush's show.

I think his fans deserve a little more history on this Norm Woodruff guy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:30 PM
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14. No, but Jeff Christie's reputed arrest for gay solicitation does indicate
that Rush is a another closeted hypocrite gay-bashing gay.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:34 PM
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15. It's the fact that he keeps this man a secret that makes it suspicious.
If he was like "Yeah- I knew a gay man pretty well back in the '70s- he was a troubled soul, but an alright guy- Sure, he helped me out a bit- but I'm still against gay rights..."

That would be one thing.

But Rush is very tight-lipped about his old close friend- as if he is hiding somthing- and that makes folks wonder.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:22 PM
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16. I read an interview a couple of years ago
With a man who claimed to be "Rusty's" lover back in college. He said he would bet that although Rush had been married several times, they'd never been consumated.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:51 PM
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21. Well, that is confirmed- none of Rush's marriages resulted in children.
n/t
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:25 PM
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17. Um, did you notice the "parody" disclaimer at the bottom?
He didn't actually write a book called "Nanny Nanny Boo Boo," you know...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:49 PM
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20. The use of the "Biography" logo is parody- but the info is undisputed
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 04:53 PM by Dr Fate
One source, Michael Arkush's biography of Rush, is not a parody at all:

From a review of the undisputed biography "RUSH!" by Michael Arkush

Library of Congress catalog number 93-90612
ISBN: 0-380-77539-5

Arkush was not entirely complimentary. He criticizes Rush for not crediting Norm Woodruff for pulling the strings that got him into KFBK, which was where he was working when he met Ed McLaughlin. Norm gave Rush that last chance (he had been fired a number of times and fallen into obscurity while working in baseball). Norm taught Rush how to dress for success and presented him to KFBK at a key moment -- upon the firing of Morton Downey. Arkush says Rush fails to give Woodruff his just credit for his involvement in Rush's success, which if it ever does come will have to come posthomolously. Woodruff died in the mid 1980's of AIDS. He was gay.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 04:58 PM
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23. You've already made up your mind, obviously. Even though the website
is obviously parody.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:04 PM
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24. I asked if the information is accurate- the use of the logo is parody...
Of Course the use of the "Biography" logo is parody. That is all that disclaimer pertains to.

I asked if the info was accurate. A look at Rush's undisputed biography shows that some of it is.

The existence of Rush's gay mentor, Norm Woodruff is documented fact- as is the fact that Rush has kept Norm a secret from his fans. He also kept his drug use secret.

I wonder-What other secrets does this guy keep?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:06 PM
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26. So this is true?
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:08 PM by NYCGirl
Inspired by Clinton-induced vitriol, Limbaugh paid a ghostwriter
to author for him See, I Told You So (1992), Nanny Nanny,
Boo Boo (1993), and I'm Rubber. You're Glue. Whatever You
Say Bounces off Me and Sticks to You (1994).

And here's the disclaimer:
All material herein is intended as parody. Any similarity in format or
"personnel" is purely satirical.

What part of "All material" don't you understand?

Basically, what you're doing is acting just like Rush Limbaugh would. Not a very progressive thing to do.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:11 PM
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30. Michael Arkush's biography of Rush is not a parody.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:11 PM by Dr Fate
In your desperate defense of Rush, you keep glossing over that source.

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:14 PM
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32. Who's defending the guy? I'm defending the gay population.
I've never heard of the biography.

I guess you must listen to him an awful lot to know that he's never mentioned the mentor.

This kind of speculating about someone's sex life is very, very Republican.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:18 PM
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34. By covering & making excuses for a Gay basher???
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:19 PM by Dr Fate
If pointing out the hypocrisy and career-long secrecy of a Gay-basher somehow makes me a "Republican"- then oh well.

If Rush would just come clean about this Norm Woodruff guy,then there would be no need to speculate.

If you are interested in the book, here is some info:

From a review of the undisputed biography "RUSH!" by Michael Arkush

Library of Congress catalog number 93-90612
ISBN: 0-380-77539-5

Arkush was not entirely complimentary. He criticizes Rush for not crediting Norm Woodruff for pulling the strings that got him into KFBK, which was where he was working when he met Ed McLaughlin. Norm gave Rush that last chance (he had been fired a number of times and fallen into obscurity while working in baseball). Norm taught Rush how to dress for success and presented him to KFBK at a key moment -- upon the firing of Morton Downey. Arkush says Rush fails to give Woodruff his just credit for his involvement in Rush's success, which if it ever does come will have to come posthomolously. Woodruff died in the mid 1980's of AIDS. He was gay.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:23 PM
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36. The bio doesn't seem to be available. I checked Amazon to find out
more.

Yep, pulling stuff "out of your butt" is Republican. It's not what we do.

If you want to say that Limbaugh is a hateful, lying piece of crap, that I can agree with you.

Why do you ask if the source is credible if you then immediately discount those who point out that it is not? Real GOP there, Dr. Fate.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:28 PM
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37. The Library of Congress has it. So do used book stores & E-bay.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:36 PM by Dr Fate
Suprise suprise, A Rush book is out of print- what does that prove or disprove?

If you would rather call me a Republican than wonder about why Rush wont talk about this Mr. Woodruff, that is your red wagon!!!

Sheesh- so I make some really pointed accusations about Christie and now I'm a Republican- fine, whatever.

KICK!!!!!!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:33 PM
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38. You can purchase the undisputed Biography here:
http://people.half.ebay.com/Michael-Arkush_W0QQmZbooksQQcidZ1023693390

So please stop insinuating that I am pulling things out of my ass.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:08 PM
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28. If this was true, the Freeps' heads would have exploded long ago.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:13 PM
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31. Nah- you have to believe it for that to happen...
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:14 PM by Dr Fate
...probably why he never mentions Norm Woodruff when he reminisces on air about his old days as a Rock DJ.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:15 PM
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33. How much do you listen to him?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:21 PM
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35. Enough to know he has never mentioned Norm Woodruff...
Why is Rush so darned secretive about his past?

Why does he do that? What is he hiding?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:38 PM
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39. Kick
n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:19 AM
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44. kick
n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:22 AM
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45. Who cares? The innuendo is just as good as the crap he spews
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 11:22 AM by Lastlaughin08
Let him get a dose of his own medicine, whether it's true or not.


F*#@ HIM
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:29 AM
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46. The mouting evidence is showing it all to be true.
3 childless, sexless marriages

This "Norm Woodruff" character and Rush's secretive behavior concerning him.

The effiminate handle "Jeff Chrisite"

Rush's penchant for keeping secrets and involvement in fringe underworlds

Rush overcompensation with "manly" interests aand "macho" talk

etc, etc, etc
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:00 PM
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49. ARRRRRRG. So he's a sword swallower, eh matey?
Pretty good imitation, no?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:07 PM
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50. Practicing for 9/19/06, are we?
I think we really need to push "International Talk Like a Pirate Day"- I never had so much fun!!!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:46 AM
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47. I'm So Not A Homophobe... But If This Is True About Rush....
What a Dip-Shit! Of course, that goes WITHOUT saying!!

I don't doubt that HE WOULD present himself in any way he wants, he such a LIAR and a Homophobe HIMSELF!! May the Wrath of God Descend upon him someday. Isn't there a Commandment about lying???
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:59 AM
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48. It's a 100% verifiable fact that Rush had a gay mentor- Norm Woodruff.
Perhaps Rush has not "lied" about this man-but he oppose gay rights-and he sure does hide his past relationship with Norm Woodruff from his fans.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:37 PM
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51. Amazing these Fundies...rant and rave over gayness yet their heros
seem to be gay...the unGodly behavior in their minds.

This is all very confusing to the sheep who would rather sleep.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:00 PM
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52. Rush's cigars, football & macho talk are but a thin veil.
Just ask his 3 former, childless wives.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:18 PM
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53. They all have Beards, LOL
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:14 PM
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54. You would think after the 3rd childless "beard" that his fans would notice
But they are not the sharpest tacks in the tool box any how.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:07 AM
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57. Assessment of tack points well taken.....have a beer
:beer:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:15 PM
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55. Is it true that he got out of the military for a pilonidal cyst?
That is an in grown butt hair!!!

And he mocks Cindy and Casey?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 01:08 AM
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58. I heard it was chronic, had um all the time....
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 12:58 AM
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56. Just like Rudy
stayed with gay male friends when he was trying to dump Donna Hanover.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:46 AM
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59. Holy Shit- a transcript of Rush mentioning his gay mentor:
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 02:46 AM by Dr Fate
Rush:

I was using email, Compuserve, on-line
services all the way back to 1985, you know, when I was
introduced to the stuff. By the late, great Norm Woodruff
out in Sacramento, KFBK, so, when I started out there.

More:
http://soleft.blogspot.com/rushtranscript/2003-05-20.tx...

While one of his early career mentors was a gay man named Norm Woodruff <15>, he opposed teaching grade school students about homosexuality in 1993 and wrote of gay rights as being special rights. In 2003 the progressive Pittsburgh Independent Media Center Participate ran a story about a small business owner named Elliot Sanders who said that he and Limbaugh were lovers while in college. Limbaugh has denied the accusation as being a politically motivated attack by the "liberal media". Limbaugh has made similar statements about transsexuals, being quoted by Salon as saying of the winner of the "Miss Plastic Surgery" contest, on his December 13, 2004 show, "I don't know what the winner gets. Probably a certificate to go to San Francisco to have an add-a-dick-to-me operation." <16>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh
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