the levee's breaking. The GOP monolith is shattered.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

I was just struck by a thought. the GOP has been run roughshod almost as badly as the democratic party. And in both cases, the ones controlling them were the neocons. And in both cases, those being controlled were willing participants.

Well, for the first time in 5 yrs, the democrats seem to have awoken, although many appear to be sleep-walking, or heavily sedated.

What is truly interesting is the split among the GOP ranks. Bloomberg's refusal to toe the line is merely an example of many others leaving the reservation. The conservatives hate the neocons' war and budget problems. the moderates hate the patriot act. the ones in between see the polling data and want to distance themselves from this putrid mess of an administration.

Their base is disappearing, and they haven't even noticed it yet.

The signs were there, though. Social Security, the WMD and the environment was pissing off the general public. Katrina merely kicked the can down a little faster.

[BL611]

1. I wouldn't be so sure just yet...

Wasn't Reagan in the low 30's during Iran-Contra, there's along time between now and 2006, lets hope we don't screw it up...

[merwin]

2. Yeah, but Reagan wasn't completely evil and stupid.

He had piss poor ideas and probably hurt the country pretty bad, but didn't get us into (and handle completely wrong) two major wars, a terrorist attack, and a huge natural disaster.

[BL611]

4. .....

"He had piss poor ideas and probably hurt the country pretty bad, but didn't get us into (and handle completely wrong) two major wars, a terrorist attack, and a huge natural disaster."

I'm sure he would have loved to if he had the chance.

[merwin]

6. He had plenty of opportunities to take the entire world down.

Compare world wide ratings of Dubyuh vs Reagan. I would put money down on Reagan having had a much better rating by the world (as opposed to the entire world, minus 40% of americans, hating Bush)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. but he didn't in the end. partly because he was not in our universe

by then.

come to think of it, Bush is worse because his people knew in advance that he was insane and that they could do what ever they wanted to do.

[hedda_foil]

8. I don't think Reagan was ever anywhere near that low.

[Downtown Hound]

3. There's still a long way to go

Remember that conservatives still control the media, the voting process, most of the big business in this country and all halls of government. We have made enormous strides but there's still a lot of fighting to do. Bush is most likely finished, but the conservative movement is bigger than Bush and will survive long after he's gone. The real battle of civil liberties, living wages, a clean environment, good education, and sensible foreign policy has just begun.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. superb points, all.

and there is a lot of 'in'fighting to be done, as well, esp among the GOP.

One way for us to screw it up is to let personal egos, attitude and small dreams (translated to territorial imperative, tunnel vision, and pitiful greed) get in the way of improving things. Just look at what is happening in Illinois, and you see what happens when we relax too much.

You are right on point.
living wages
civil liberties
clean environment
education
sensible foreign policy
AND
sensible immigration
rational energy pricing, planning, research and DEVELOPMENT
mass transportation
and much more.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Conservatives hate the Patriot Act too.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. I am sure some do, but why the hell is it being extended, expanded?

if there is so little support, and so much in the way of distrust and dislike, why don't all of us simply mimic Nancy and just say no?

[Independent_Liberal]

11. I'm picking up pieces of the monolith.

They're everywhere.

:)