Can somebody please explain this?

[joeprogressive]

Why is the one republican candidate (Giuliani) that is closest to Clinton in ideology and is a confirmed adulterer the leading primary candidate among republican voters? Will they care about adultery now? At least Clinton kept his family in tact.

Before Powell was shunned by the Bush administration, he was also one of the most popular conservative figures despite the fact that he was the most liberal. How can an electorate go from supporting an extreme neocon like Bush to Giuliani?

[Mend]

1. it is never really about sex, they all do it, too

it is about the denigration of women, gays, people of color. It is about maintaining the wealth and superiority of white men.

[whistle]

2. Adultery is just fine, but oral sex in the oval office is an impeachable

...offence based on the strict family values code of republicans, neo-conservatives and Dominionists.:hide: :yoiks: You can ask why, but don't expect an answer.

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(2) The Fuehrerprinzip (Fuehrer Principle). (a) Essential elements. 1. Complete and total authority is vested in the Fuehrer. "The Fuehrer Principle requires a pyramidal organization structure in the details as well as in its entirety. "The Fuehrer is at the top. "He nominates the necessary leaders for the various spheres of work of the Reichs direction, the Party apparatus and the State administration." (1814-PS)

"He shapes the collective will of the people within himself and he enjoys the political unity and entirety of the people in opposition to individual interests. "The Fuehrer unites in himself all the sovereign authority of the Reich; all public authority in the state as well as in the movement is derived from the authority of the Fuehrer. We must speak not of the states authority but of the Fuehrers authority if we wish to designate the character of the political authority within the Reich correctly. The state does not hold political authority as an impersonal unit but receives it from the Fuehrer as the executor of the national will. The authority of the Fuehrer is complete and all-embracing; it unites in itself all the means of political direction; it extends into all fields of national life; it embraces the entire people, which is bound to the Fuehrer in loyalty and obedience. The authority of the Fuehrer is not limited by checks and controls, by special autonomous bodies or individual rights, but it is free and independent, all-inclusive and unlimited. "The Fuehrer-Reich of the (German) people is founded on the recognition that the true will of the people cannot be disclosed through parliamentary votes and plebiscites but that the will of the people in its pure and uncorrupted form can only be expressed through the Fuehrer." (2771-PS)

"Thus at the head of the Reich, stands a single Fuehrer, who in his personality embodies the idea which sustains all and whose spirit and will therefore animate the entire community." (2780-PS) As stated in the Organization Book of the Nazi Party: "The will of the Fuehrer is the Party's law." (1814-PS) The first commandment for the Party members declares "The Fuehrer is always right." (1814-PS) "He (the Fuehrer) is responsible only to his conscience and the German people." (1814-PS)

3. Each subleader is bound to unconditional obedience to his immediate superior and to the Fuehrer. As Hitler said, "We have in our movement developed this loyalty in following the leader, this blind obedience of which all the others know nothing and which gave to us the power to surmount everything." (2771-PS) The duty of obedience is so fundamental that it is incorporated as the second of the NSDAP commandments for party members: "Never go against discipline !" (2771-PS) As Ley said: "Our conscience is clearly and exactly defined. Only what Adolf Hitler, our Fuehrer, commands, allows, or does not allow is our conscience." (2771-PS) The obedience required was not the loyalty of a soldier to the Fatherland, as was the case prior to the Nazi regime. On the contrary, the obedience exacted was unconditional and absolute, regardless of the legality or illegality of the order. The oath taken by political leaders (Poltische Leiter) yearly was as follows: "I pledge eternal allegiance to Adolf Hitler. I pledge unconditional obedience to him and the Fuehrers appointed by him." (1893-PS)

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DOCNAC3.htm

[Demit]

3. Because the rules are different for Republicans. That always trumps logic.

[mountaindem]

6. I'd vote for Rudy

given the current situation of the democratic party, I'd vote for Rudy over Hillary and several others.

I'm all for social justice, what I'm not for is making children out to be adults before age 18 and that is what dems are doing, helping to destroy families.

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[raccoon]

12. Please clarify what you're referring to.

"the failure of decades of social engineering, courtesy of the American Left. "

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. A little angry?

Here's a kleenex...You can even have the whole box for free!

I doubt that the "social engineering, courtesy of the American Left" is what turned you into a "staunch Conservative." If you want to continue telling yourself that so you can feeeel better, go Right ahead. Please continue telling yourself that and move along.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6...

[Demit]

10. You must also be for corruption & cronyism too.

Given the current state of the Republican party. And Rudy's huge financial profits from his slavering boosterism of this administration, since 9/11. Some hero you'd pick.

[raccoon]

11. Please clarify what you're referring to.

"what I'm not for is making children out to be adults before age 18 and that is what dems are doing, helping to destroy families."

[mountaindem]

13. I'll explain

At the local level, I've seen way too many members of the democratic party elected as Prosecuting Attorneys who do nothing to stop sex offenders, who do not punish them, prosecutors who do not enforce statutory rape laws, etc.
If you think it is ok for a 25 year old to sleep with a 15 year old, you're probably a radical left wing nut case.
I believe in parental consent before a child can receive an abortion, unless that child has been emancipated by a court.

Our society and our party is so much in favor of teaching our children that it is ok to do adult things instead of being children. The last time I checked, you're an adult until age 18, and even then, I know a lot of people who are not adults. We should be teaching our children subjects like reading, writing, math, science, civics, literature, so that they can choose a path that leads to productive lives, instead of the democratic way of always coddling them.

[Totally Committed]

4. Hypocrisy n/t

TC

[orion9941]

5. I think...

I think that if you are a Republican and you actually enjoy the sex, then you will be shunned. If you had the sex and didn't like it then it's okay.

[Hubert Flottz]

7. Giuliani gassed his own people...

The man is one or GHW Bush's best pals! Probably a Moonie!

[Hubert Flottz]

14. Why Giuliani Must Spray NYC

Why Giuliani Must Spray NYC


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Why Giuliani Must Spray NYC

by Robert Lederman 8/15/2001

"I'd rather spray and not wait for five or six more cases and someone to die," Giuliani said...“the spray disintegrates within six to eight hours and a person would only be harmed if you ingested it or if you put your nose right up against the truck and kind of sucked it in." -Newsday 8/13/2001 Mayor Urges Spraying For W. Nile Virus

For a moment, let’s forget all the technical issues about pesticide dangers vs the threat of West Nile Virus-infected mosquitoes to ask a simple question. Why is Rudy Giuliani so anxious to spray the City with pesticide nerve gas for a third year in a row?

It can’t be for political advantage. Spraying has become more and more unpopular over the past three years. A recent WPIX 11 news poll found almost 95% of respondents did not want to be sprayed.

It can’t be the threat of deaths either. At it’s height, the so-called West Nile Virus “epidemic” claimed fewer lives than are lost from freak accidents like falling onto the subway tracks or being hit by lightening. Many experts doubt that even one person actually died from West Nile Virus in NYC, since the Department of Health never released any names or made any blood or tissue samples available for confirmation by independent labs. MORE...

http://www.thugsanon.org/htm/23179.html

[Gato Moteado]

8. bush isn't a neocon

let's be honest here. bush is a puppet for big industry (military industrial complex and oil companies mainly). his reasons for supporting the idea of a war in iraq are mainly economic....in other words, his daddy's rich friends get to make a lot of money and eventually a good portion of that money will find its way to the bush family (though, cheney probably ends up reaping more of it).

the neocons are actually radical lefties from the 60s and 70s (horowitz, crystal, and the like) whose desire to see the US take control in the middle east for political reasons drove them to support reagan. socially, they are not "conservative" like the typical republican base. they're not fundamentalist christians or religious freaks of any kind like about 36% of bush's voters in 2004 (in fact, most of them are jewish).

the neocons and the corporate criminals are not the same people, though they both had interests in this iraq war and this explains their alliance. though their interests regarding iraq intersected with the bush administration's the reasons behind them were very different.

bush is not a neocon....to say that would be to give the man far too much credit. bush is not a traditional conservative. bush is not a christian. bush is a puppet, nothing more. he's not really bright enough to be anything but a "likable" frontman for a bunch of corporate thugs.

[ArkDem]

16. I don't know if you can tactfully keep your family in tact.

[rman]

17. They are dishonest. What else is new?

Republicans like republicans, they don't like democrats. To them, that's what counts, not morality - in spite of what they say.

[npincus]

18. Guiliani will NOT run in 2008

too much $$$$$$$$$$$ to be made in the private sector. Believe you me, the man is all about the cash since his annointment as St. Rudy of 9-11. He will milk his 9-11 roadshow for every frigging penny, including $100,000 per speech fees.

He is the biggest fucking money whore. I used to respect him (though so many of my more liberal friends hated his guts) when he was NYC mayor; his support of Cuomo for governor against the Republican Pataki was an act of integrity before politics. That was light-years ago.

Mark my words. Guiliani will not run.