A challenge for lurking Freepers

[smoogatz]

Name one thing Bush has done as pResident that hasn't turned to shit. One disaster averted, one plan that's succeeded as advertised (other than the two stolen elections), one military adventure properly conducted, one policy initiative that hasn't ended up screwing the middle class for the sake of enriching giant corporations, one appointment made for reasons other than cronyism or politics--anything. I'm genuinely interested in hearing from you, because frankly, I'm stumped. Give me one reason why Bush isn't the worst President ever.

[Guava Jelly]

1. the pretzyl he choked on

he coughed it up so the natural process of turning food to bile didnt take place.
although the fema gumbo sure made it all the way through

[non sociopath skin]

2. What makes Shrub special , as bad presidents go, is that the others ...

.. largely sat on their asses and did nothing. This guy does stuff that ALL backfires.

The Skin

[koopie57]

3. it is "hard work"

to screw things up so bad.

[hobbit709]

24. Like Wile E. Coyote

[tatertop]

4. I hear this often enough. Here you go:

Cut taxes!
Less big government!
Safety from TEEEEEROR!
Taking control of the UN!
Preserving the American way of life!
Attacking Saddam!
Stopping the baby killers!
Putting France in their place!
Putting religion in government, where it belongs!
Putting a stop to these frivolous lawsuits!


They are misinformed or evil-spirited on every issue.

They are guided by hatred for their fellow man, stupidity or uber greed.
They truly see him as the best president ever,
and they always will. Nothing can ever change that.

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[blondeatlast]

8. Can you linky, please--and VERY QUICKLY, too? Thanks so very much... nt

[arbusto1]

9. can you google??

n/t

[blondeatlast]

10. Yep--but I doubt you have the time--and this is a board for

progressives--or are you incapable of reading the very clear rules?

Bye, now.

[arbusto1]

11. I read it, someone asked, I responded

n/t

[blondeatlast]

13. And outed yourself--thanks.

Edit: I shall no longer help pad your post count.

[arbusto1]

14. your welcome, I didn't actually expect you really wanted

an answer.

[Kingofalldems]

15. I notice you didn't mention Iraq

Telling. As for political appointments, the fact that he had Lumpy Rutherford (Brownie) in charge of FEMA speaks volumes as to his arrogance and incompetence.

[arbusto1]

16. I was against the Iraq war so I didn't mention it

do you think all Republicans are for the war??

[non sociopath skin]

20. Those that are have an interesting perspective on it.

Here's a strand from a Neocon site which, despite the title, is 90% frequented by American Republicans.

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/sterlingtimes/vpost?id=659927

Occupiers, eh? Not liberators or freedom-friars.

Are you proud that this is the POTUS has brought you down to?

The Skin

[AntiCoup2K4]

21. With some notable exceptions like Buchanan and Ron Paul, yes.

Not that Republicans SHOULD be for the war, and not that Bush & PNAC are Republicans. But the fact that this clown got as many votes as he did, twice, proves that the majority of your party would vote for Satan himself if he had an "R" after his name on the ballot.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Ah no, but did you know that according to Rush et al

you hate America? How does that grab you? Explain Brownie to us. How did a horse show firee get that job?

[arbusto1]

25. I don't listen to Rush. Why do you??

Brown is gone. I don't tend to blame natural disasters on politicians. NO was a worse case scenario and likely a unique situation considering the size of the city and the elevation below MSL.

I think the locals are responsible for disaster preparedness though.

Brown deserved to go.

[Toots]

34. Are you pleased with the direction the US is headed in?

Just curious as to whether you like our world attitude of strutting around braying "we're number one...we're number one" or how about the Republican attitude expressed at Crawford TX a month ago.."We Don't Care" "We Don't Care" As for your tax cuts for the middle class HA. Seventy percent of the Billions of dollars in tax cuts go to the wealthiest people in the entire world while our infrastructure falls apart. We are the only country in the Western world that does not care for it's citizens. Republicans do not feel the need. What is theirs is theirs and no one will get a dime of it...You like religion in government? You wish to shove Christianity down everyone's throat? Real American of you...In fact I can not think of anything that you Republicans represent that is American. Why do you hate us for our freedoms? You seem to want to wrap yourself in the flag and burn the constitution while liberals would wrap themselves in the constitution and burn the flag.

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[Scout1071]

50. Please show me one instance of an American burning the flag.

What a made-up pile of bullshit and you know it.

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[Toots]

52. As to burning the flag I don't wish to but yes it is American

We have that right. We as a Free people have the right to express discontent with our country and it's leaders in a manner most likely to warrant attention. You seem to be deliberately obtuse in your reply. Every country in the Westernized World provides Health Care for their citizens except the USA. You are unaware of the new ruling from the Administration that public money cand go to Churches that discriminate in hiring practices which in effect means tax payer money is going to support discrimination. You are patriotic...Proud of your country..have you ever served in the military? If you lived in the third world you surely recognize the striking simularities going on in this country with Nepatism and Cronyism and select jobs for select people. Halliburton for instance. Are you proud of how Bush* is handling the countries finances? In 1993 every single Republican spoke out against Clinton's budget. They said you could not raise taxes on the wealthy and cut the middleclass taxes without putting America in dire financial circumstances. The vote was split, every Republican voted against the budget and every Democrat voted for it, the vice-president had to cast the tie breaking vote. America went on to experience the greatest economic expansion in it's history. Bush* wins elections and puts Republican economic policies in effect and America experiences the greatest economic turn around in it's history and it is just getting worse. How can you justify it?

[HuskerDU]

38. Who left Americans to die on their rooftops while he strummed

a guitar and ate cake? The answer is the worst American ever- George W Bush. He is at least a 3 time traitor: AWOL in NG, Lying about WMDs to get us into war, Leaving Americans to die in NO.

What is the penalty for treason?

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[ihaveaquestion]

80% of the residents of New Orleans WERE evacuated.

That's 20% more than the Fema model predicted could be done - with federal help! Mayor Nagin exceeded expectations without the assistance that should have been there. Folks need to lay off him.

[HuskerDU]

46. Let me ask you this...

If a disaster struck your part of the country and you were left on a rooftop (no matter who's to blame for you being there in the first place- you're there damn it) would you want a President who leaps into action and starts calling the shots, or would you want a President who continues on with his schedule of yucking it up with millionaires for 4 days?

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[HuskerDU]

53. Like I said - you are on the rooftop, could be a terrorist attack,

could be natural disasteer- whatever- you're there. What do you want a President to do?

I will answer for me. I would want the President engaged in finding a solution to saving American lives, not someone strumming a guitar or eating cake. The man is dogshit in my eyes.

[JDPriestly]

51. Preparing disaster response plans requires cooperation

at all levels of government. Local government has a role to play, but local government has neither the expertise nor the equipment to move large numbers of people very quickly. Come to LA. We have gridlock here every single day. It can take a couple of hours to move just 20 or 30 miles on really bad days. The Homeland Security money was given away as pork to all sorts of rural areas where there is no terrorist threat. Years of Republican and DNC governments have ignored the big cities and allowed the infrastructure in urban areas to decay -- including transportation, especially public transportation, which is what was needed to get large numbers of people moved away from urban centers quickly.

In Los Angeles, the impact of the Republican/DNC tax philosophy is very clear. In wealthy areas, rich people build huge mansions, palaces in fact. In poor areas, homeless people huddle and beg for a couple of dollars for something to eat. In between, middle class people are struggling to stay out of debt and keep their jobs, two tasks that get more difficult every day.

Bush, Rove, Hughes and the fat cats at the top of the "journalism" profession feed Americans the propaganda that all is well. But the fact is that those guys who live in the palaces are scared to venture into most parts of the town. They hire private "security guards" to protect their properties while the rest of the cities in which they live are short on police and ruled by gangs.

I understand that there is a lot of poverty in rural areas of the U.S. too, but the misery level is much greater in urban areas because of the overcrowding, the noise and the terrible pollution. Welcome, to the America of Nixon, Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, and, yes, to some extent, of Clinton.

And I haven't even started on NAFTA and CAFTA and the decline in the real value of the minimum wage.

[cwydro]

60. Tell me this

re the recent 100 mile traffic jam, the fiasco in NOLA....etc. DO YOU REALLY THINK WE ARE SAFER NOW WITH BUSH? A terrorist attack would bring us to our knees....we're a laughingtock.
And thank you, by the way, for coming in here to at least trying to make us understand what the hell peeps see in this moron.

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[gristy]

89. idiot

Why do you think that the fact that you "don't tend to blame natural disasters on politicians" is in opposition to the opinion of most thinking persons? Or are you so clueless that you mistake my blaming the bush regime's evil incompetence with blaming a hurricane?

[TheFarseer]

23. No

I don't think hardly anyone is for the war. I know maybe a couple of people that are for the Iraq war - cause to not be for the war would embolden the enemy, don't you know :eyes: - and I know alot of fundies and automatic republican voters.

[arbusto1]

27. I don't vote blindly, I could support Wes Clark or someone of his

ilk. But certainly not Kucinich, Sharpton, Dean, or Hillary.

[Kingofalldems]

29. Well you are definitely not a freeper then

Gotta walk lockstep over there.

[arbusto1]

32. I am not a poster on Free Republic

although I have visited their site a few times. and YES, for purposes of full disclosure, I am a Republican.

can't say that either FR or DU allow for the free flow of different opinions that's for sure.

[Skittles]

91. I come here to get away from ignorant, asshole republicans

understand? You f***ers own the media, the voting machines, the White House, Congress, the Supreme Court - do you f***ing mind?

[TheFarseer]

17. wow, will freepers ever learn?

cleaning up greedy corporations??? More like greedy corporations cleaning up. I suppose you don't care that we borrowed your precious tax cut. Do you realize your taxes will be much higher in the future because we will have to pay off principal and interest someday?

No child left behind is a joke. Why don't we just teach the kids what they need to learn to function in tomorrow's economy instead of teaching how to fill out one particular bubble sheet?

[arbusto1]

19. Democrats could use some help filling out the "bubbles"

and punch cards don't you think?

You don't have to agree with me, I just answered the question. He asked, I responded.

Taxes don't necessarily have to go up and I wouldn't oppose an increase on the wealthy but not the middle class.

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. Republican states could use Secretaries of State who aren't partisan hacks

Both Cruella Harris and Ken Blackwell of Ohio were the respective chairs of their state's Bush/Cheney campaign. As such, they are in a direct conflict of interest as the official in charge of elections. Both are appointed by the governors of their state. Taft was just recently indicted for some of his criminal activity, and Jeb...well, he's a Bush, isn't he?

These kind of blatant conflicts of interest don't happen in states where Secretary of State is an elected position.

[arbusto1]

28. aren't all Secretaries of States partisan hacks??

if they are elected they are still partisan aren't they?

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. Not neccessarily

I'm assuming you heard of the governor's race in Washington state in 2004?

Our Secretary of State, Sam Reed, is a lifelong Republican. He also makes no secret of the fact that he despises the extremist right wing neocon/religious reich agendas.

The state GOP chair, a neocon tool, was demanding that Reed support the republican candidate Dino Rossi. Reed did his job and stuck to the facts, and it was his position that the Rossi camp was basically full of shit.

Had Reed been appointed by a Republican governor, he might have been obligated to support the party line, or be out of a job. Or if he had been a Democratic Secretary of State, he arguably could be obligated to favor Christine Gregoire.

Instead, he remained neutral and did what the law required him to do. Cruella Harris and Blackwell did not do that. They acted out of partisan motives and in fact, committed fraud in order to name Bush as the winner of their states.

[arbusto1]

41. what did Blackwell do wrong?

certify the election?? elections are run at the local level. many districts were not prepared for election day. but that is incompetence at the local level.

I don't want centralized control of society.

[OzarkDem]

75. He threw in a lot of monkey wrenches

Tried to change many of the rules at the last minute, e.g. a ridiculous edict about the paper on which absentee/provisional ballots could be printed.

He also oversaw an extremely inefficient and poorly run election in Ohio that had many voters standing in line for 4-8 hours.

He's also being investigated for improperly spending HAVA funds.

Shall I continue?

[TheFarseer]

30. When he was talking about cutting taxes

I was saying that he should just lower the bottom bracket to 10% and that's it. That way, everyone that works gets a tax cut. But as usual, he had to turn it into a giveaway to the super-rich by also neutering the top brackets that billionaires pay. I think if he truly wanted to get the economy going, he should get more money into the hands of middle class people who will go out and put the money in circulation, not a billionaire who will invest the money in a factory in China.

[arbusto1]

35. the middle class taxes are lower

but its really not a significant savings when you are in the middle class income bracket. I could support a larger percentage of taxes for the wealthy sure.

If I were a rich billionaire I might change my tune, but alas not all of us poor Republican schmucks are as rich as you would like to think.

I am not in the lowest tax bracket. I am in the middle. But if you want to lower my taxes to 10%, maybe I will vote Democrat next time!!!

[HuskerDU]

57. You do realize that all dems want to do is to repeal the tax

cuts of the top 1% don't you? You know, fiscal responsibility and such.

[radio4progressives]

95. I agree with both points and I'm a progressive...

you're no freeper...

and a lot of dems do need help with bubbles on punch cards and i don't mean the voters in florida.

i mean those in congress.

taxing the middle class would be a huge mistake - but a an accurate measure of the middle class classification is necessary to define in a more focused discussion on that issue, imo.

i'm no economist but some things are simply obvious it seems to me.

on edit: above, i should have stated "more" taxation on the middle class would be a mistake.

[Sparkly]

33. Sometimes I wish ignorance were painful.

Afghanistan: Resources diverted to Iraq, Taliban NOT decimated, nation NOT secure, mission NOT accomplished.

Tax Cuts: NOT paid for, meaning we're borrowing from our children's children for the unaffordable tax cuts today.

Corporate Responsibility: Deregulations let corporations off the hook for environmental standards AND stick taxpayers with the bill for cleanup; more corporations outsourcing jobs; record profits going hand-in-hand with skyrocketing prices; and companies associated with Bush/Cheney getting no-bid contracts, "losing" billions of taxpayer dollars in Iraq, etc. etc....

No Child Left Behind: AN UNFUNDED FEDERAL MANDATE!!!!

Political Appointments: The issue is BushCo appoints UNQUALIFIED people solely because they are campaign contributors and "loyalists." The results have been disastrous.

[arbusto1]

45. so you are advocating killing more Afghanees?

maybe we should just kill as many as possible just to be sure. I mean, I don't think the Taliban wear uniforms identifying them as such. The future of Afghanistan lies with Afghanistan not the US. I am not particulary optimistic that a society such as theirs will become prosperous either.

taxes are the American people's money. they don't belong to the government. Tax cuts don't "cost" anything.

Bush is the one that is indicting the corporate criminals. the theft occurred during the irresponsible time of the 1990s.

[HuskerDU]

55. Sure, we the living don't have to pay. But our grandchildren

will!

[Sparkly]

58. Geez, it's even worse than I thought.

Afghanistan: What rightwingers don't seem to understand is that effectively combatting a regime, an organization, and/or an ideology is not just about KILLING people.

"Tax cuts don't cost anything"-- are you kidding me?!?!? Do you really not know that a significant percentage of your tax dollar pays for INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT? Ever heard of that? Now you have.

Bush didn't indict anybody. His cronies are corporate criminals -- including, but not limited to, "Kenny Boy" Lay.

[Blue_Tires]

67. name ONE corporate criminal that bush has personally indicted

nt

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[JDPriestly]

42. BUSH: ONE BIG DISASTROUS FAILURE ON ALL POINTS

MY RESPONSE TO THE BUSHLOVER:

military operation: Afganistan we can't wave a wand and make them act civilly though.

AFGHANISTAN: A FAILURE: WE'RE STILL FIGHTING THERE AFTER OVER 3 1/2 YEARS AND PROBABLY CONTROL ONLY A FEW URBAN AREAS IF THAT. ELSEWHERE THE WAR LORDS ARE STILL IN CONTROL AND THE TALIBAN THREATENS TO RETURN. PLUS, HEROIN PRODUCTION IS UP.

middle class tax cuts: pay less now than under Clinton

MIDDLE CLASS ALSO OWES MORE THAN UNDER CLINTON. UNDER BUSH, OUR NATIONAL DEBT HAS RISEN TO A PERILOUS HEIGHT THAT SCARES EVEN SOME OF THE MOST LOYAL REPUBLICANS. THE MOST AMAZING THING IS THAT BUSH HAS INCREASED DISCRETIONARY SPENDING SO MUCH. AND GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER BEEN THIS INEPT, THIS INEFFECTIVE. AFTER KATRINA, HOMELAND SECURITY IS A JOKE. BUSH'S RESPONSE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS BRING 'EM ON. POVERTY HAS INCREASED ON BUSH'S WATCH AS HAS THE NUMBER OF UNINSURED. (THOUSANDS OF RETIRED SEARS EMPLOYEES ADDED TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UN- OR INADEQUATELY-INSURED JUST THIS WEEK). HIS FAITH BASED PROJECTS HAVE DIVIDED THE COUNTRY WITHOUT IMPROVING THE SAFETY NET FOR MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR FAMILIES. THE ONLY SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION TO GET MEANINGFUL TAX CUTS ARE THE 1 TO 2 PERCENT OF THE VERY RICHEST.

corporate responsibility law: Cleaning up greedy corporations who committed fraud and theft during Clinton years. and they are going to jail too.

WELL, AT LEAST MARTHA STEWART WHO GAVE GENEROUSLY TO THE DEMOCRATS, WENT TO JAIL. KENNY LAY, OF COURSE, IS STILL STRUTTING AROUND QUITE PROUD OF HIMSELF FOR HAVING TAKEN CALIFORNIANS FOR A PRETTY PENNY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE CORRUPTION HAS SIMPLY MOVED FROM A FEW GREEDY CORPORATIONS AND MANIC WOULD-BE ENTREPRENEURS TO THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF WITH HALLIBURTON LEADING THE PACK TO NO-BID CONTRACTS. MILLIONS, IF NOT BILLIONS HAVE BEEN MISPLACED, LOST AND REMAIN UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ. AND, WITH BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS IN REPUBLICAN HANDS, THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT. AND, WHAT WITH THE EXTENT OF THE SECRECY IN THE HIGHEST ECHELONS OF GOVERNMENT AND THE LYING COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE, IT IS DOUBTFUL THAT EVEN A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS COULD GET TO THE TRUTH. HISTORIANS WILL HAVE A HEYDAY ROUTING OUT ALL THE SCANDALS ONCE THEY GET AHOLD OF THE DOCUMENTATION.

No Child Left Behind: Dems pissed because they didn't think of it.

EDUCATION HAS NEVER BEEN WORSE. THE CONSTANT TESTING HAS DISPLACED LEARNING. AND WHAT IS BEING TESTED. NOT THE CREATIVITY, INGENUITY AND INDIVIDUALITY THAT HAVE MADE THIS A GREAT COUNTRY. THOSE TRAITS USED TO BE FOSTERED IN THE SCHOOLS. NOW ANY CHILD OR TEACHER SHOWING MUCH OF ANY OF THEM IS RELEGATED TO THE FAILURE LIST AND DISCOURAGED. AND BEYOND THE TESTING, NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND HASN'T LEFT MUCH OF A TRACE ON OUR SCHOOLS. WHY? BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER ADEQUATELY FUNDED. BUSH WAS TOO BUSY TRANSFERRING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO HIS FRIENDS AT HALLIBURTON AND OTHER SUCH LARGE CORPORATIONS, TO FAITH BASED BOONDOGGLES AND TO SMALL TOWNS IN IDAHO SO THAT THEY COULD ENSURE THEIR HOMELAND SECURITY AND PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM TERRORISTS.

One appointment not made because of politics: you're kidding right? what political appointment is not political?? perhaps you could elaborate. Roberts certainly was a good appointment. Even some of you Democrats agreed.

BUSH DID NOT WIN IN 2000, YET HE TOOK OVER THE GOVERNMENT AS IF HE HAD WON IN A LANDSLIDE. AND EVER SINCE HE HAS FILLED EVERY POST WITH INCOMPETENT, DISHONEST, CORPORATE YES-MEN. THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. FAILURE IN AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, THE SCHOOLS, HOMELAND SECURITY, IMMIGRATION, HEALTH CARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, BUDGETING, OVERSIGHT OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING THE FDA, THE EPA. IN SHORT, BUSH'S REGIME IS ONE SINGLE DISASTER. THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE ITEM OF GOOD NEWS SINCE BUSH GOT ELECTED. EVEN ON THE HOME FRONT, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF JEB'S AND GEORGE'S OFFSPRING HAS BEEN ARRESTED AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. YOU'D THINK THESE GUYS WOULD GET THE MESSAGE AND APPOINT THEMSELVES TO GOVERN THEIR FAMILIES BEFORE TRYING TO GOVERN THE COUNTRY. BUT NO! THANKS TO FOLKS LIKE YOU, WE GOT STUCK WITH FOUR MORE YEARS. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE OVER OR UNTIL WE IMPEACH GEORGE W. BUSH. HE IS A TOTAL FAILURE, A COMPLETE DISASTER OF A PRESIDENT. FROM THE ECONOMY TO THE SECURITY, HE HASN'T DONE ONE THING RIGHT. NOT ONE THING HAS WORKED WELL. WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM TO QUIT? PLEASE.

[arbusto1]

47. I exercised my right to vote

if you didn't like the result, I suggest you do better to recruit and register more voters who agree with your position.

[HuskerDU]

54. You voted for a draft-dodging, lying to get us into war,

leaving Americans to die on their rooftops, paying journalists, gay prostitude WH access giving, scum of the earth MFer for President.

I blame you!

[Skittles]

92. doesn't work as long as you thieving f***ers own the voting machines

and the Supreme Court

[cwydro]

63. thank you for that

I found I didn't have the energy.

And let's not forget that thanks to the chimp, women are going BACKWARD in Iraq....soon the Taliban will be happy with them in their proper place.

[ihaveaquestion]

43. Nothing but Repuke talking point BS

although I doubt you really are interested in engaging in a discussion on this forum.

Are you blind? or just dense? It seems that all dems/liberals do is DISCUSS. It's one of our faults that everything must be discussed to death before acting on it. We're learning though. The DU Activists are a start.

military operation: Afganistan we can't wave a wand and make them act civilly though.

Would have helped if * didn't divert our military to Iraq, don't you think? We might even have caught OBL by now.

middle class tax cuts: pay less now than under Clinton

The wealthy got LOTS more in tax cuts and didn't need it. Besides, fat lot of good any tax cut does the middle class when other taxes (state, local, sales - which hit the low-middle income folks harder than the wealthy) are going up and services (which the wealthy don't need) are being cut. Not to mention that the whole kit and caboodle is being borrowed from CHINA - who will have the biggest economic boom in history when they collect on the Treasury bonds they've bought from us to finance your precious tax cut. Got kids? Well they'll be paying for it - as will their kids. See if they thank you for it.

corporate responsibility law: Cleaning up greedy corporations who committed fraud and theft during Clinton years. and they are going to jail too.

Maybe Clinton could have done more to rein in corporate greed. I don't know - you got specifics? I'll read em. But, I do know this, greedy corporations weren't just let loose during the Clinton years, they've been greedy as long as they've been around. Ever hear of the Gilded Age and the Robber Barons? or how about the Savings & Loan debacles in the 80's? Oh, and by the way, almost no one is going to jail - except maybe Jack Abramoff and (crossing my fingers) Tom Delay.

No Child Left Behind: Dems pissed because they didn't think of it.

Wrong again! Dems call it "All Schools Left Behind" because it penalizes entire schools for situations they have little control over, while forcing schools to teach to a test instead of imparting knowledge and critical thinking skills - all as an unfunded mandate to boot.

One appointment not made because of politics: you're kidding right? what political appointment is not political?? perhaps you could elaborate. Roberts certainly was a good appointment. Even some of you Democrats agreed.

Roberts is either a radical RW bigot like Clarence Thomas or a sheep in sheep's clothing who will disappoint repukes like you when he starts to actually defend the Constitution and protect the citizenry from government abuse. Too soon to tell really.

[Doctor_J]

56. Ummm...

You're close!

Gave Afghanistan back to the Taliban - violence and drug production are at an all time high.

Super-rich tax cuts - became the only world leader in history to cut taxes while at war. Ran up a deficit that my great-grandchildren will be paying off.

Coporate responsibility - More corporate crime than at any time in history. Billions looted from pensions. Kenny Bo-, er, Mr. Lay allowed to rob California and abscond with all of their money.

No Child Left Standing - Hated by every educator in America

And you forgot - waged a trillion-dollar invasion of one country after being attacked by another. Assigned his own personal lawyer to protect the 9/11 highjackers from the victims.

Nice screen name, too - you named yourself after one of *'s other collossal failures. One that didn't cost hundreds of thousands of lives though.

[Dark]

61. Since you answered:

Afghanistan was a failure. We didn't even capture Osama Bin Laden. You know, the guy who attacked us?

Middle Class? Yea, they may be saving more money in taxes, but they're paying more in medical bills, insurance, gas, and education. That easily eats up the few bucks extra they got back from Bush.

And that's not to say anything about the middle class disappearing.

Corporate Responsibility? You mean welfare, right? What about the nine BILLION dollars that just 'disappeared from Iraq'? Accountability? How long did it take them to get Ken Lay? Oh, and don't get me started on the illegal tax shelters. . .

NCLB sucks. Kids aren't learning any better, they're just learning to the test now. That isn't good. Few things outside of school in the real world come in multiple choice format.

And, if I were you, I'd be worried about the fact that a man who is going to dictate policy for the entire country for the rest of his life doesn't want to talk about his views.

[smoogatz]

62. I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't interested in discussion.

Although I pretty much figured this list was the best even the most ardent Bush supporter would be able to do. Let's discuss them, shall we?


1.military operation: Afghanistan we can't wave a wand and make them act civilly though.

No, but that was pretty much Bush's plan. As in Iraq, there aren't nearly enough troops to control a growing insurgency. The Taliban appear to be regrouping in some parts of the country--others are controlled by opium-rich warlords who enforce their own version of Islamic law. Karzai and the U.S. control only the capitol, Kabul. Some Democracy. Oh, and bin Laden got away and is living comfortably in Pakistan, which you forgot to mention. If that's a Bush success, you must be wild about the "new" (submerged) New Orleans. Thanks, W!

2.middle class tax cuts: pay less now than under Clinton

We got a federal income tax-cut in 2003 of roughly $500, but because Bush drastically cut the Clinton-era block grants to state and local governments, our property taxes went up $1000: a net loss of $500 thanks to Bush. In 2004, we got no appreciable tax cut, and our property taxes went up another $500. Bush, Cheney and their billionaire friends received HUGE tax cuts, which they "invested" in multi-million dollar vacation homes and gigantic trust-funds for their grand-kids. Contrary to Bush's assurances, the tax cuts have not paid for themselves or provided much in the way of economic stimulus; Bush has squandered the Clinton-era surplus on irresponsible tax-cuts and bankrupted the country. Thanks, W.


3.corporate responsibility law: Cleaning up greedy corporations who committed fraud and theft during Clinton years. and they are going to jail too.

There were already perfectly adequate laws on the books to deal with the Enrons and Tycos of the world. Ken Lay remains at large, and Bushco shows no apparent interest in prosecuting him. Bushco also shows no interest in investigating the billions of dollars in Iraq reconstruction funds that have disappeared into the pockets of Halliburton executives (hmmm... I wonder why?); on the contrary, they have a history of punishing any government employee who attempts to blow the whistle on fraud. Thanks, W!

4.No Child Left Behind: Dems pissed because they didn't think of it.

No Child Left Behind? Is that the best you can do? Another layer of Federal bureaucracy dictating to local school districts? Isn't that every conservative's nightmare? Funny how the most conservative state in the union (Utah) hates NCLB so much they're willing to turn down millions in federal education money to avoid having to live under NCLB's absurd regime. It's a fraud and a scam, in any case--teachers are now forced to waste weeks out of every semester teaching children how to take tests, instead of teaching their subjects. Plus, Bush has refused to provide the funding he promised, forcing yet another unfunded mandate down the states' throats. Thanks, W!

5."One appointment not made because of politics: you're kidding right? what political appointment is not political?? perhaps you could elaborate. Roberts certainly was a good appointment. Even some of you Democrats agreed."

Most presidents who are serious about governing appoint people to cabinet and agency posts based on their experience or expertise. Bush has made a habit of appointing political hacks, fundraisers and industry lobbyists to important cabinet and regulatory positions. Michael Brown is one example--but there are many others, like Bush's appointment to be interim head of the FDA (a Christian fundamentalist veterinarian), or his appointment of John Bolton to the U.N. ambassadorship. Bush has made a kind of perverse game of appointing people to run agencies who are hostile to those agencies' missions--look here http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0923-29.htm if you're interested in learning something about your boy. Your only example of a "good appointment" was John Roberts--but I'll bet you can't tell me why he's good, or what his positions are on important issues like abortion, worker's rights, environmental law or the right to privacy. Roberts may turn out to be okay (that would make one appointment in five years that didn't suck), but most likely he's a stealth appointee who presents well but will reveal himself as a far-right ideologue in short order. And that would be a disaster for the country. Thanks, W!

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[Blue_Tires]

66. lol

"corporate responsibility law: Cleaning up greedy corporations who committed fraud and theft during Clinton years. and they are going to jail too."

Enron ring a bell? and of course, it's not like corporations were greedy and corrupt in all the years BEFORE the clinton admin...Nope, every single violation and case of corporate theft in recorded history happened JUST from 1993-2000:sarcasm:

[AntiCoup2K4]

6. He stoped them fagits frum gettin maried!

And that's good enuf reasons for me, Hugh Moran

[blondeatlast]

12. He stopped those awful abortions, too. Not a single one occurred

since November 2004.

Thank ya, Jaysus...

[patdem]

Of course you mean Hugh as in really, really, really big! Made me spit

coffee all over my keyboard..good thing I did not put sugar in it..or I would HATE you! Spilled syrup on it (not this one) once...reading a post while answering the phone while holding a plate of pancakes...:rofl:

[ClintonTyree]

7. That's the point, they think he's done everything right.........

they'd say he's done everything right and it's the "liberal media" that's making him look bad. I shit you not, that's how these people think (or DON'T think).
It's a colossal waste of time. You'll never reach those freeptards.

[illflem]

18. The Do Not Call List was good

doubt if bush supported it though

[TheFarseer]

36. he signed it

I guess telemarketers didn't contribute enough to his campaign.

[Zodiak]

44. yes, that is one

I knew these was ONCE that I agreed with the Chimp. A broken clock is right twice a day, too.

But yes, that is ONE thing I agreed with.

Also, I would like to add that "No Child LEft Behind" WAS a Democratic idea originall. Ted Kennedy championed it, and even voted for it. But Bush did th bait and swithc by not funding it. So now Bush gets to look "Compassionate" to his base while at the same time steals the credit for a Democratic plan.

Also, the middle class tax cuts were coupled with massive increases in local taxes, fees, and payments for civic services. What's more is that energy costs have gone through the roof, and so have educational costs. In the end, the net effect is that the middle class has lost under Bush. Moving the cash from one categorty to the next is a shell-game for fools, and you bought it, arbusto. The fact is, the middle class has shrunk and poverty is on the rise in this country. You took a bone from the Chimp while he opened the treasury to his rich friends..you were bribed into betraying your fellow Americans.

Corporate responsibility? You have got to be joking! Yes, a few have gone to jail, but that is because Beush's popularity was leaking like a seive because of his connection to these guys. He had to cut them off if he wanted to invade Iraq with broad support. And why break the law any more, when Bush makes it perfectly legal to rob the treasury? I find the idea that corporations are less corrupt under Bush laughable because it flies in the face of everything we have seen for the last five years.

And as far as political appointments. Sure, appointments are political to a certain degree, but the American people, to be well-served, demand competence. Bush engages in pure cronyism, and almost ubiquitously passes up more qualified REPUBLICANS in favor of his inexperienced, rich friends. This is apparent in the mismanagement of just about every single American agency under the umbrella of the Executive branch.

You can be a Republican, fine, but LOOK our country!!! Look at it and stop fooling yourself! Bush is no conservative, no Republican.....Jesus, he isn't even a Texan! He represents the very ugliest and slimiest people in America, and he has tranformed a once-patriotic, civically-minded Party into a hate-filled, power-grabbing, elitist cabal. If you would just step back from brand loyalty and see that this man doesn't represent your ideals, either, we can get rid of him before he drives us straight down the tubes. I sincerely believe this not just because of ideology, but from years and years of painstaking research.

We liberals can't afford to be wrong because we don't have a never-ending "Spin machine" that foists lies on people and smear opponents. What I say is the truth.

[sadiesworld]

48. That train had already pulled out of the station--

the states were passing no-call lists left and right-* just jumped on for the ride.

[DIKB]

31. Time to get to work.

"military operation: Afganistan we can't wave a wand and make them act civilly though."
Dropped the ball in Tora Bora and let OBL escape. Bungled up and shot our own troops, then tried to make a hero out of him a la "Wag The Dog"

"middle class tax cuts: pay less now than under Clinton"
And cutting taxes has left us with a deficit, credit card style of government. Spending outrageously while having less income. This is extremely damaging to the economy in the long run, but repukes don't care about anyone but themselves, in the here and now.

"corporate responsibility law: Cleaning up greedy corporations who committed fraud and theft during Clinton years. and they are going to jail too."
You're kidding right ? http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=46&contentid=2788
Halliburton and Bechtel are making money hand over fist, and screwing us over at the same time.

"No Child Left Behind: Dems pissed because they didn't think of it."
Setting outrageous standards, while underfunding a program, a backhanded way of trying to drum up support for school vouchers. What's so great about that ?

You and your arguments have been found wanting.

[Dark]

59. Do Not Call list. Hell, I almost voted for him just for that.

Remember that? Signed up. Haven't gotten a call since.

Other than that, yea, he sucks.

[magpie]

64. The restoration of 'family values'.

Before the 2000 election, I was considered a frantic, left-wing wacko. It embarrassed my kids that I was so vitriolic, so pessimistic about the future, so certain that a BFEE would bring pain and suffering. Five years into this tragic mess and my friends and family have a certainty of my love for them. Where there was apathy and denial, there is now unity and a sense of purpose. I will be forever grateful to this administration for pushing my loved ones hearts closer to mine. The death, destruction, corruption, and chaos brought by s***4brains has provided an education and direction that I couldn't have exposed them to. It really does take a village (idiot) to raise a child.

[Crunchy Frog]

65. I like these challenge for lurking Freepers posts.

It seems to actually bring some of them out who are dumb enough to reveal themselves and then get themselves tombstoned.:rofl:

As for successes, well, he apparently avoided piddling in his pants on at least one occasion when he had the presence of mind to write a note to Condi asking for bathroom permission. :rofl:

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73. Actually, you need to read the rules of the board.

The so called "censors" are enforcing rules that are clearly spelled out. Nice to see this thread still working though.:)

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[TheWatcher]

77. I would personally like to find a way to get you and all of your ilk off

The PLANET.

You don't belong in a civilized society of any kind.

If only we could find an island to drop you all off on so you could chest-beat, mouth-breath, beer-swill, and hate spew your way into irrelevance, so the rest of us could get on with buiding a better world.

If you were really nice we would provide you with Port-A-Potties.

Otherwise you wouldn't last five minutes.

I Vote ALL of you off the fucking Island.

[Crunchy Frog]

80. Wow. I left the computer right after making that last post

and missed the response.:( It looks like it was a doozy. I'm really morbidly curious as to what he said, if you want to PM me.

What an idea. Freeper Island. Sort of like Fantasy Island but with lots and lots of Porta Potties (the ultimate Freeper fantasy).:rofl:

[TheWatcher]

81. Welcome To Freeper Island

"I am your Host, RimJob. Join us as we flagellate ourselves into oblivion in our Island paradise of Oil Refineries, endless Tax Cuts, Neverending War, Hate Mongering, and No-Bid Contracts. Enjoy Yourselves treasured Guests, and remember our Motto here at Freeper Island....."

"I got MINE, Fuck Everyone Else."

And can't you just see a Tattoo wannabe screaming "De Port-A-Potties!" "De-Port-A-Potties!"

[Crunchy Frog]

86. "De Port-A-Potties!" "De-Port-A-Potties!"

:rofl:

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[Crunchy Frog]

85. Sweetie, there's plenty of debate at this site

and you'd have to be a blind Freeper not to see it. What this site is not is a place for liberals and conservatives to debate (although we do have some conservative Democrats on here who do not get banned, and even some more liberal Republicans who also do not get banned). There are many, many places on the web where right and left can debate each other. That is not, and never has been, the intended purpose of this site. You right wingnuts are lost in your world of delusion because you insist on twisting everything into something other than what it actually is. Like pretending that because this site is for progressives and Democrats and people broadly in line with that political agenda, it means that there is no interest in discussion and debate.

Your delusions would be entertaining if so many people weren't being hurt because of them. I have faith that the American people will eventually figure you out and will no longer allow you to continue ruining this great country. Until that time, we have a few refuges where we can escape your type. So bye bye. I'm sure you'll be back again to bitch about how unfair it all is.:nopity:

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[Crunchy Frog]

87. I am in the real world baby.

I don't walk into other people's homes and start bitching about their politics. And I know you'd rather I didn't vote on a punch card. You'd prefer that I vote on an electronic machine that leaves no paper trail, and that is owned by Repuke scum who can tamper with the results with no accountability.

Well, you'll have to go somewhere else to promote your agenda of election tampering. Sorry.

[HuskerDU]

88. They will get a piece of my mind. If they listen carefully

they will understand that Georg W Bush is a traitor and that there is no way of disputing it.

[Zhade]

76. It would be awesome if this tactic got a few 1000+ freepers, too!

"Well, I--SHIT!"

BAN!

:rofl:

[jpak]

79. Many moons ago someone posted a "Lurking Freeper Amnesty" thread

in the Lounge.

It was hi-larious.

At least a half-a-dozen showed up and got tombstoned.

What a bunch of dumbass mo-rans!

[Crunchy Frog]

93. Wish I could get a look at that. I could use a good laugh.

If you ever find the link to it, I'd love to see it.

[NVMojo]

78. SHAME ON THE AMERICANS WHO KEEP THIS DI CK IN OFFICE!

[Vektor]

84. Too hard! It's a challenge for a lurking freeper

to tell the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground. Don't make them think. It hurts their feeble little pea-brains.

[baldguy]

90. His golf game has improved.

[Don1]

94. I'm not a freeper, but you have to admit his successes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2112446

[Moderator]

96. I'm locking this thread

Freeper baiting