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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:18 PM
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Some 1960s protest pics & stuff-- including 1969 DC protest photo


Phil Ochs spring 1965, Berkeley campus





Now if this picture just doesnt bring it on home for you-- I dunno--



Northeastern Students Protesting America's Conflict with Vietnam, 1969


1963, A Monk in Viet NAM--







Washington DC Febuary 15th, 1969

NYT--


Announcer at Woodstock: Ladies and gentlemen...
Country Joe...McDonald....

Oh, come on all of you big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again,
Got himself in a terrible jam,
Way down yonder in Vietnam,
Put down your books, pick up a gun,
We’re gonna have a whole lot of fun,

And it’s one, two three, what are we fightin for,
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn, next stop is Vietnam.

Whoopee! We’re all gonna die.





National Guardsmen stand guard on the other side of a steel mesh fence erected May 15, 1969 by University of California officials around a "People's Park" at Berkeley, Calif., while some of the thousands who marched in protest pass by. The fencing precipitated a riot in which police fired shotguns at demonstrators and one person was wounded fatally. Governor Reagan then ordered the guardsmen into the city. (AP Photo/files)

January 1, 1969 - Henry Cabot Lodge, former American ambassador to South Vietnam, is nominated by President-elect Nixon to be the senior U.S negotiator at the Paris peace talks.

January 20, 1969 - Richard M. Nixon is inaugurated as the 37th U.S. President and declares "...the greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker. This honor now beckons America..." He is the fifth President coping with Vietnam and had successfully campaigned on a pledge of "peace with honor."

January 22, 1969 - Operation Dewey Canyon, the last major operation by U.S. Marines begins in the Da Krong valley.

January 25, 1969 - Paris peace talks open with the U.S., South Vietnam, North Vietnam and the Viet Cong all in attendance.

February 23, 1969 - Viet Cong attack 110 targets throughout South Vietnam including Saigon.

February 25, 1969 - 36 U.S. Marines are killed by NVA who raid their base camp near the Demilitarized Zone.

March 4, 1969 - President Nixon threatens to resume bombing North Vietnam in retaliation for Viet Cong offenses in the South.

March 15, 1969 - U.S. troops go on the offensive inside the Demilitarized Zone for the first time since 1968.


See the poster (middle of pic) that says-- war is not healthy for children and other living things--



heres the poster-






March 1969 - Letters from Vietnam veteran Ronald Ridenhour result in a U.S. Army investigation into the My Lai massacre.

March 17, 1969 - President Nixon authorizes Operation Menu, the secret bombing of Cambodia by B-52s, targeting North Vietnamese supply sanctuaries located along the border of Vietnam.

April 9, 1969 - 300 anti-war students at Harvard University seize the administration building, throw out eight deans, then lock themselves in. They are later forcibly ejected.

April 30, 1969 - U.S. troop levels peak at 543,400. There have been 33,641 Americans killed by now, a total greater than the Korean War.

May 1969 - The New York Times breaks the news of the secret bombing of Cambodia. As a result, Nixon orders FBI wiretaps on the telephones of four journalists, along with 13 government officials to determine the source of news leak.

May 10-May 20 - Forty-six men of the 101st Airborne die during a fierce ten-day battle at 'Hamburger Hill' in the A Shau Valley near Hue. 400 others are wounded. After the hill is taken, the troops are then ordered to abandon it by their commander. NVA then move in and take back the hill unopposed.

The costly assault and its confused aftermath provokes a political outcry back in the U.S. that American lives are being wasted in Vietnam. One Senator labels the assault "senseless and irresponsible."

It is the beginning of the end for America in Vietnam as Washington now orders MACV Commander Gen. Creighton Abrams to avoid such encounters in the future. 'Hamburger Hill' is the last major search and destroy mission by U.S. troops during the war. Small unit actions will now be used instead.

A long period of decline in morale and discipline begins among American draftees serving in Vietnam involuntarily. Drug usage becomes rampant as nearly 50 percent experiment with marijuana, opium, or heroin which are easy to obtain on the streets of Saigon. U.S. military hospitals later become deluged with drug related cases as drug abuse causalities far outnumber causalities of war.

May 14, 1969 - During his first TV speech on Vietnam, President Nixon presents a peace plan in which America and North Vietnam would simultaneously pull out of South Vietnam over the next year. The offer is rejected by Hanoi.


ASU women are among the protestors of the U.S. presence in Vietnam. Forty ASU students attended the Moratorium in Berkley, CA, November 1969





June 8, 1969 - President Nixon meets South Vietnam's President Nguyen Van Thieu at Midway Island and informs him U.S. troop levels are going to be sharply reduced. During a press briefing with Thieu, Nixon announces "Vietnamization" of the war and a U.S. troop withdrawal of 25,000 men.

June 27, 1969 - Life magazine displays portrait photos of all 242 Americans killed in Vietnam during the previous week, including the 46 killed at 'Hamburger Hill.' The photos have a stunning impact on Americans nationwide as they view the once smiling young faces of the dead.

July 1969 - President Nixon, through a French emissary, sends a secret letter to Ho Chi Minh urging him to settle the war, while at the same time threatening to resume bombing if peace talks remain stalled as of November 1. In August, Hanoi responds by repeating earlier demands for Viet Cong participation in a coalition government in South Vietnam.

July 8, 1969 - The very first U.S. troop withdrawal occurs as 800 men from the 9th Infantry Division are sent home. The phased troop withdrawal will occur in 14 stages from July 1969 through November 1972.

July 17, 1969 - Secretary of State William Rogers accuses Hanoi of "lacking humanity" in the treatment of American POWs.

July 25, 1969 - The "Nixon Doctrine" is made public. It advocates U.S. military and economic assistance to nations around the world struggling against Communism, but no more Vietnam-style ground wars involving American troops. The emphasis is thus placed on local military self-sufficiency, backed by U.S. air power and technical assistance to assure security



http://www.ilkahartmann.com/members/jbrave/phototext.nsf/images/BE18B166954B14DE88256DB800633273/$FILE/VDC_internationial_Days_Of_Protest_Button.jpg











1967 @ the Pentagon


July 30, 1969 - President Nixon visits U.S. troops and President Thieu in Vietnam. This is Nixon's only trip to Vietnam during his presidency.

August 4, 1969 - Henry Kissinger conducts his first secret meeting in Paris with representatives from Hanoi.

August 12, 1969 - Viet Cong begin a new offensive attacking 150 targets throughout South Vietnam.

September 2, 1969 - Ho Chi Minh dies of a heart attack at age 79. He is succeeded by Le Duan, who publicly reads the last will of Ho Chi Minh urging the North Vietnamese to fight on "until the last Yankee has gone."

September 5, 1969 - The U.S. Army brings murder charges against Lt. William Calley concerning the massacre of Vietnamese civilians at My Lai in March of 1968


Another Monk--






Kerry & Lennon


September 16, 1969 - President Nixon orders the withdrawal of 35,000 soldiers from Vietnam and a reduction in draft calls.

October 1969 - An opinion poll indicates 71 percent of Americans approve of President Nixon's Vietnam policy.

October 15, 1969 - The 'Moratorium' peace demonstration is held in Washington and several U.S. cities.

Demonstration organizers had received praises from North Vietnam's Prime Minister Pham Van Dong, who stated in a letter to them "...may your fall offensive succeed splendidly," marking the first time Hanoi publicly acknowledged the American anti-war movement. Dong's comments infuriate American conservatives including Vice President Spiro Agnew who lambastes the protesters as Communist "dupes" comprised of "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."

November 3, 1969 - President Nixon delivers a major TV speech asking for support from "the great silent majority of my fellow Americans" for his Vietnam strategy. "...the more divided we are at home, the less likely the enemy is to negotiate at Paris...North Vietnam cannot defeat or humiliate the United States. Only Americans can do that."

November 15, 1969 - The 'Mobilization' peace demonstration draws an estimated 250,000 in Washington for the largest anti-war protest in U.S. history.

November 16, 1969 - For the first time, the U.S. Army publicly discusses events surrounding the My Lai massacre.

December 1, 1969 - The first draft lottery since World War II is held in New York City. Each day of the year is randomly assigned a number from 1-365. Those with birthdays on days that wind up with a low number will likely be drafted.

December 15, 1969 - President Nixon orders an additional 50,000 soldiers out of Vietnam.

December 20, 1969 - A frustrated Henry Cabot Lodge quits his post as chief U.S. negotiator at the Paris peace talks.

By year's end, America's fighting strength in Vietnam has been reduced by 115,000 men. 40,024 Americans have now been killed in Vietnam. Over the next few years, the South Vietnamese Army will be boosted to over 500,000 men in accordance with 'Vietnamization' of the war in which they will take over the fighting from Americans.

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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:21 PM
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1. Another Mother For Peace

still active, still relevant, still responsive to those who write to them.

I still have my two medallions.

http://www.anothermother.org/

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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:22 PM
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2. Great post. I remember that time extremely well.
I was class of 1967...high school. But I will never forget. I often feel that I am reliving that era. Sadly.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:34 PM
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6. It is
oddly similar isn't it? God I thought we would never have to go through this again. I used to have that "War Isn't Healthy" poster in my room. I wish I still had it.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:39 PM
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10. Class of '67
Checking in here. I agree, we're reliving the nightmare.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:52 AM
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36. Even though I was not around then
(as far as I know of course heh heh) I still feel dejavu all the time. It's simply an amazing thing to feel. I don't know if it's because we were supposed to go through this and I'm reliving it in this frame or if it's from Vietnam. :shrug:
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:00 PM
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46. Don't forget Kent State. "America Kills Its Children:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:56 PM
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57. The photo:
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:24 PM
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3. Great pics and timeline!!
Thank you. History repeats itself.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:25 PM
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4. Thanks for the memories
To quote Nixon "The rabble on the streets.... mobs". Re Americans at excersizing their rights.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:29 PM
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5. DAvid Frost told Nixon to --
FOld it 5 times and put it where the moon dont shine
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:36 PM
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7. Fond memories of those days.
Whenever I attend an anti-war rally here in Vermont, there are always many, many folks present who protested during the 60`s. I`m proud to be part of that group. We didn`t sell out and we didn`t forget.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:36 PM
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8. Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating.
I can't help but wonder how many of those who protested against the Vietnam War have now gone to the dark side and are pro-war.
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:48 PM
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28. Not ME!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:06 PM
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30. Some of us went the other way, too.
I was never 'pro war', but I did see service as my duty and I joined. I was fortunate never to have made it to Viet Nam.

I am much different now. But as I was then not 'pro-war', I am not now 'anti-all-war'. But I am very much 'anti-unjust-illegal-empire-war'.

I'd like to think I was rational then. I know I'm rational now.

I graduated high school in 1965.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:14 AM
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33. I see service in the Armed Forces as an honorable duty, also.
I do not care to see the protest rallies labeled as "anti-war." I refer to them as anti Iraq War. In an ideal world we could all be anti war, but as long as people like bush exist, Milosivec, Hitler, given the opportunity they will wage war against other nations and those nations must be prepared and willing to defend themselves.

It is an honorable thing to protect one's home and loved ones. It is dishonorable to invade a country and wage war based on a pack of lies.

I say this sincerely, thank you for your service :thumbsup:

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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:38 PM
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9. Luv me, luv me, luv me, I'm a lib-er-al. NOT!
That song is why I'm a progressive! But I do love Phil Oches' music!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:41 PM
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11. Deja vu all over again...
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 08:43 PM by ocelot
I was in college between 1965 and 1969; remember this stuff like it was yesterday. And now it's starting all over again. Saw a photo of a sign at yesterday's march that said something like, "Why are we having to protest this crap all over again?" A good question -- but we are.

I had that flower poster in my dorm room -- wish I still had it.
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:43 PM
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12. Thank you so much for this.
My 21 yr. old grandson was asking me the other day if this was anything like the Viet Nam protests..this is great to show him.
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:43 PM
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13. Those are great pictures.
I had that poster in my bedroom when I was a little girl-the one that says "War is not healthy for children and other living things." I grew up in a small, conservative town but there was this one little "Hippie Shop" on Main Street that our parents told us to stay away from. We would go there anyway and buy incense and smiley buttons and posters like that one. Thanks for the memories...
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:53 PM
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14. Add another image
Lest we forget.

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:58 PM
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17. yes-- an iconic event 4 dead in O - HI - O
30 years from now I think it will be Cindy Shehan
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:56 PM
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15. Thank you FogerRox
My memories of protests I marched in the late 60's/early 70's include thinking, "I hope we never have to do this again."

The War is not healthy poster.....hung in my dorm room and apartment during college. (sigh).
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 08:56 PM
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16. One of the best posts of the year!
Thanks for the walk back through time. Let these kids here at DU know we were all doing this long before they were even thought of.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:03 PM
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18. I was 14 in 1972-- volunteered for McGovern- right after the convention
I barely remember Phil Ochs
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:09 PM
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20. Thanks very much obviously some of you are older than me
those were heady times-- and interesting-- as are these times

The folks of the 1960s set the standard--- its a blueprint-- if you will

WOW greatest in under 40 minutes with 9 votes so far thanks

Thanks for bringing in the Life mag cover with Kent state--
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:05 PM
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19. Wow!.....Thanks for posting these pics!...
The October 1967 march from the Lincoln Memorial to the Pentagon had 100,000 protesters in attendence, and was the first major anti- Vietnam War rally.

This photo from the steps of the Pentagon was taken after the rally and march permits had expired, and we were all sitting there waiting to get arrested. I'm not in the photo, but I was right there. Several hundred of us got hauled off to the Federal lockup at Lorton, Va.

What an amazing weekend that was!

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:57 AM
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38. Wow
And they're pointing guns at you?!
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:23 AM
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40. Well, we figured they weren't actually going to shoot us or anything
We all wanted to be arrested, and we got our wish.

I was a freshly-minted, pissed off, Vietnam Veteran Against the War, and had to put up with asshole freeper types at that protest, who were yelling about how none of us filthy hippies had the guts to serve our country. I had already done so, though I doubt any of them had.

Same shit that we hear today from the current batch of chickenhawks.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:10 PM
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21. That "war is not healthy" sign was all over the place yesterday
I saw it lots of places <3 a true classic
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:17 PM
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23. yes it was all over-- quite healthy for a 30+ year old poster/sign -- LOL
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:14 PM
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22. Where are all the dirty, stinking hippies
who need to take a bath that the freepers have been continuously telling us about?

Nice time capsule FogerRox!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:17 PM
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24. Thanks....
I was looking at the dates and the peak of the forces just a week or so after I returned home in April of '69. It helped to put it in perspective what I had returned to...
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:05 PM
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47. Kentuk--- thanks--- welcome back
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 08:06 PM by FogerRox
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:26 PM
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25. This is an awesome thread...what history. n/t
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:35 PM
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26. Thanks for the memories - And look - Front page NYT coverage, sigh... nt
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 09:46 PM
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27. Thanks for the post. As someone who
was around for the earlier demonstrations ( my first activity was in 66 - at a very small local protest) what strikes me are the major differences between the two eras, and despite my nostalgia, the present generation is a lot better. I've been thinking about this since I got home from D.C. last night. There were almost 30,000 dead before the major protests started in earnest in the mid-to-late 60s. This time, people were in the streets before the war even started. As late as 1969 the average person supported the war: "October 1969 - An opinion poll indicates 71 percent of Americans approve of President Nixon's Vietnam policy." Right now, 60% ( or so) oppose the war. Last time, it was the young who were in the streets, at least until the later stages. Now it is all ages and this from the get go. Last time, quite honestly, we were morally self-righteous and showed little or no compassion for those who fought in the war or their families. In what was the arrogance of youth, we alienated union people, working and middle class Americans, police and fire fighters and civil servants. This time, we are union people, working and middle class people, police and fire fighters and civil servants.
Thanks for the post because, even though I hate having to be in the streets again, it is great to know that we are way ahead of where we were the first time. Interestingly, of the similarities -and believe me there are many - the ones I find most interesting are the "splinter group" and "off message" similarities. Funny, though, how many of those "off messages" became so crucial to progressive politics and social change.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:03 PM
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29. Class of '76 checking in
Vietnam WAS my childhood, along with JFK, RFK and MLK Jr. Any wonder I could see what was coming when the BushCo started their little war? Flashbacks...and I never took drugs!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:08 PM
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48. '76 too
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:45 PM
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60. you sound like me!!!
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:24 PM
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31. I should have kept that poster
"War is not healthy.." I had it hanging in my bedroom for years (along with my poster of Jim Morrison :D)
George McGovern was my first vote for president-I actually got to meet him when I returned to college in the 90's. I was all excited that day and was soooo thrilled that he was coming to speak-and that I'd gotten to talk with him. The kids around me were baffled...George WHO? sigh....I felt so old.....
But, here we all are again-now I'm training my kids! Didn't read this in the "parents handbook", lol.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 10:35 PM
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32. Thanks. Wow. The images make it seem like just yesterday.
Why do we have to do this over again and again?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:25 AM
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34. Wow - Thanks For Doing This
I remember that poster was so popular.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:50 AM
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35. Amazing
Thanks also for the Kerry photo's. :loveya: Wow someone was burnt?? :(
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 03:36 PM
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44. Um, actually a budhist monk who burned himself alive to protest the war.
Happened several times. Makes you think.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:53 AM
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37. Fantastic post...
a walk down memory lane...and it's happening again. Argh!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:33 PM
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50. thanks--
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:09 AM
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39. Deja vu all over again n/t
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:51 AM
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41. October & November, 1969..Checkin'-In!
Also Operation Dewey Canyon III..Vietnam Vets against the war.

Saturday was a very,very,emotional walk: As the four us-friends from College, who like us, got married, relived our experience from that fateful Fall of 1969...very sad.

One sign summed it up for us:

"I Can't Believe We Still Have to Protest This Crap !"

:hippie: GG
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:54 PM
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42. I was there, too
November, 1969, a bunch of us drove nonstop from Lincoln, Nebraska, slept on church pews somewhere in DC, marched on the Pentagon and got tear-gassed.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 02:45 PM
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43. Don't forget Norman Morrison's self-immolation on 11/2/65.
The most well known and highly publicized act of self-immolation by an American took place on November 2, 1965. Norman Morrison, a devout Quaker and father of three, immolated himself outside of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's office at the Pentagon. As if the location was not notable enough, there is another reason that Morrison's self-immolation gets more attention than other acts of self-immolation in America. Morrison brought his infant daughter with him to the Pentagon that day. (Snip)

In one poem, North Vietnamese poet To Huu writes from the perspective of Norman Morrison. The poem presents the juxtaposition of anger towards the American government and the love Norman Morrison had for his daughter. The third stanza reads:


McNamara!
Where are you hiding? In the graveyard
Of your five-cornered house
Each corner an continent.
You hide yourself
From the flaming world
As an ostrich hides it head in the
burning sand.


(More)

http://www.angelfire.com/nb/protest/morr.html

A week after Norman Morrison's death, on the 9th of November, 1965, another American followed his example. Roger A. LaPorte, 21, a member of the Catholic Worker movement, stepped in front of the Dag Hammarskjöld Library at the United Nations in New York, calmly composed himself in the position of the Buddhist monks who had immolated themselves in Vietnam earlier, doused himself with gasoline, and set himself aflame. La Porte died the next day at Bellevue Hospital from second- and third-degree burns covering 95 percent of his body. Despite his burns, he remained conscious, lucid, clearly able to speak. When asked why he had immolated himself, La Porte calmly replied, "I'm a Catholic Worker. I'm against war, all wars. I did this as a religious action."

http://www.strike-the-root.com/52/herman/herman4.html



North Vietnam issued a postage stamp in Norman Morrison's honor, possession of which was prohibited in the US.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 04:29 PM
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45. Fantastic photos!! Where did you find them?
I'm looking for a very particular protest photo myself.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 08:30 PM
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49. photos? try google
I had forgotten the folks who set themselves on fire--

I was 7 in '65. I didnt understand-- like I do today.

All you folks who worked so hard in the VietNam war movement-- I owe you all

we owe you-- you set the standards--- and have shown us models of leadership.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:17 PM
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51. Awesome Awesome Post!
Perfect time to post those pics!
Funny, they didn't look like a bunch of hippies then either!!!

I really enjoyed the Kerry pics mixed in there!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 09:21 PM
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52. I'm all for protesting and all but setting yourself on fire is stupid.
Seriously, especially the guy who brought his baby to watch. What the fuck is up with that? I don't see him as a hero, I see him as an idiot and a selfish bastard to boot. What is the point? "I hate war so I'm going to kill/maim myself!" If you were the one being protested against wouldn't you want the protesters all setting themselves on fire? It means one less person screaming at you. I really think self-immolation is an incredibly stupid way of attempting to get your point across. You're taking yourself out of the game.

Apart from that, this is a really nice timeline you've set up. It gives me a flavor for a time I did not live through and just shows how people never learn from the past.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:33 AM
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53. This is an awesome thread, I have to say. n/t
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_Winston_Smith_101 Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:43 AM
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54. Thanks for the Memories!
The weekend after the Kent State murders by the Ohio National Guard back in May, 1970, I went to the demonstations in Washington, D.C. and we let the Nixon Admionistration know of our anger! If only the Feds hadn't occupied the city with over 250,000 troops we would have taken over the Government!!!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:23 AM
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55. Looks much like it did on Saturday only different styles of clothing.
:thumbsup:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:03 PM
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56. Just a little kick
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:29 PM
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58. Great photos and thanks for the memories...
I was at one of those mobilization marches in late '69 in San Francisco. We marched down Geary Street, I believe, from downtown all the way out to Golden Gate Park. From the top of the hills looking back, there were people in the street as far as you could see. That's one of my best memories from that time. Too bad we have to come back for repeat performances, but I'm glad I was in DC last weekend. There is such a sense of deja vu.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:40 PM
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59. Shit! Thanks for posting! You helped me frame a serious time of my life
I was in jr high when my dad volunteered to go over there in 69 ...I never realized that those 18 months were spent at a time we were trying to turn things over to the South Vietnamese military ....damn ...
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:58 PM
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61. just like today!! Patriot Act behavior, boy, did they orchestrate Iraq!!!
End 69 - A year of ever widening divisions in the US. The "silent majority" and "middle America" were pitted against the war protestors. Vice President Agnew called protestors "impudent snobs"

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Jan 70 - "Washington Monthly Magazine" described an intelligence network of "nearly 1,000 plain clothes investigators working out of some 200 offices from coast to coast" who wrote reports on "political protests of all kinds". The domestic intelligence operation stored and disseminated information on both groups and individuals who "might cause trouble of the US Army." Senator Ervin reported in December 1970 that he was informed the surveillance included 800 Illinois citizens including Senator Adlai Stevenson, III (D-ILL), Rep. Abner Mikua (D-ILL) and US Circuit Judge Otto Kerner. Ervin said "apparently anyone who in the Army's definition was 'left of center' was a prospective candidate for political surveillance." During lengthly Senate hearings on the Army's activities, Defense Secretary Laird ordered the spying stopped.

http://www.landscaper.net/timelin.htm
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:41 PM
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62. Friday afternoon I went to the local "every friday" Iraqi war protest
Its getting worse- I was spit on, called more names and given the finger way more than in past weeks.

Maybe its the polls and Delays indictment
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