The Freepers and Able Danger.

[Check12]

Boredom tempted me to go over and troll-surf in freeperland.
The Able Danger topic is very interesting, not too many happy about the developments, some desperatly trying to hang it on Clinton. Some critical of the coverup. Here is a sample:

"A copy of the Able Danger chart that identified lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta as a terrorist operating inside the U.S. a year before the 9/11 attacks is clearly visible in a video of a 2002 speech by delivered by Rep. Curt Weldon to the Heritage Foundation...

Though Weldon never mentions Able Danger or Atta by name - and the video never zooms in on the chart to the point where Atta's photo is identifiable - it's clear from Weldon comments that the chart is the same one currently being sought."

Man, you are on top of this story! this video is clearly still around.

I think what we know so far about the conversation between Weldon and Hadkins is enough to explain Bush's stonewalling on this. On or around September 25, 2001, Bush was shown the infamous chart. He decided not to make this information public, probably as part of a larger decision to avoid focusing on blaming Clinton, and instead focusing on taking action against terrorists.

Once he decided not to come forward with this information, however, it was very embarrassing to bring it up later and he tried to hide altogether.

Actually, if this really is the smoking gun, and I really think it might be, Bush doesn't look bad at all here. Its Clinton that looks bad. Unfortunately, MSN spin will be a significant factor in this one. combined with an all-out shrill, top of their voice screaming attack, they will take this little shred of Bush's malfeasance and blow it up into something major.

One key variable will be to see how completely the Republican senators (led by weak-kneed Frist) will collapse under this attack. Hopefully, they can maintain some shred of of guts.

As twisted as this spinn is, It warms my heart to hear a freeper admit Bush malfeasance no matter how small.

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[Check12]

3. Are you suggesting I troll both ways?

When you have something to say here give me a clue please, is this 'snark'?

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[leveymg]

4. Has anyone else heard this about Bush seeing the chart on 9/25/01?

Where is this coming from?

[WarNoMore]

5. Man!

I had to take my specs off a couple of times to reread this, I guess I'm dense, but could you say what you;re trying to say?

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. What parts of this is you and what parts is what you are quoting?

The question is, if this was around back in clinton's time, why did Bush not see it until Sept 25? Maybe because he didn't give a fuck when he was told that Bin Laden would be the greatest challange of his presidency, by the outgoing administration? Maybe because he didn't give a fuck when he was told on 8/6 that Bin Laden was determined to strike within the US, using airplanes - this, a month after he cancelled Able Danger?

He ignored everything the Clinton administration had given him on the threat of terrorism and crippled the intelligence community's ability to counter that threat.

For that alone he deserves impeachment.

[Check12]

8. after the sample, the last sentence is mine

I am new to posting. What is the standard for quoting and commenting? can you use html for italics etc?

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. So your comment is that the freeper admission was small,

not the malfeasance.

Quite agree, even the freepers are having trouble hanging on.

FYI, I keep things simple and just put extra quotation marks around anything I am quoting, but I reckon you could use the HTML lookup table if you want to get fancy. It especially helps when you want to intersperse your comments throughout a long quotation.

Welcome aboard.

[TreasonousBastard]

11. I just use quotes and maybe dashes as separators...

but you can use the HTML tables by hitting the tab over the reply box if you want.

Usually, we post links to the Freep discussion, too, although not that many here really want to upset their systems by going over there.

[ToolTex]

7. Clinton looks bad? Bull.

It was this rethug administration that shut down Able Danger, not Clinton, so that 9/11 could happen. Then decided to start shredding data to cover up their culpability.

But you are right, it is one more smoking gun. Not that they are rare anymore. Maybe we should be referring to the smoking arsenal.

[Old and In the Way]

10. Limited delusional hang-out.

News to me about Bush seeing this in September of '01. But, knowing how Rove operates, why wouldn't they have happily pinned this on Bill? Hmmmm. Maybe because-

(1) Bill would be happy to prove,under oath, all of the info that he gave Bush was disregarded.

(2) Able Danger was stuffed in the Pentagon by neo-cons who didn't want to expose Atta. So no chain of evidence. They had big plans for Mohammed.

You'd think that they'd have figured out that this administration does nothing for altruitic purposes. There's very incriminating reasons connected to Atta and some nasty shit on Condi that Weldon was not supposed to know about.

He obviously thought he had found something on Clinton....turns out that he has opened up a can of whoop-ass on Bush.

[Historic NY]

12. Bush canceled Able Danger in Feb. 01................get it......

he ignored the intelligence and closed down the program.