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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:02 PM
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Reid's comments about Frist - THIS shows why Dems have no clue..
Why do Dems continually do things like this? Why couldn't Reid just stand back and let Frist twist by himself? Why offer Frist any support?

Things like this show why Dems are clueless. I can't think of the "rule" but when a party is too busy self-destructing, you don't throw them a damned rope and help them out.

Reid's comments are below. From Rawstory.com



"Reid said he already had begun the process of establishing a blind trust when asked about the propriety of Frists sale of HCA Inc. stock just before it dropped by nearly 10 percent.

Reid defended Frists actions.

I know he wouldnt do anything intentionally wrong, Reid said of his counterpart."
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:04 PM
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1. Why would he say something so stupid?
Plus, he's lying. He knows full well
Frist comitted a felony.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:08 PM
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9. you need to entertain the notion that
all these @uckers may be corrupt.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:05 PM
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2. and who wants this guy on any ticket? (nt)
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:05 PM
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3. Yeah, really. Why volunteer a statement like that?
What the hell does it accomplish?

Don't wanna tear into Frist at this time? Fine? But why throw him a lifeline?

Reid gets a big "D" for "Duh" on this one. :dunce:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:05 PM
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4. link would be helpful
I know you gave rawstory.com, but there are about 50 stories on the homepage. Context is important.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:16 PM
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15. Here is the link....
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:05 PM
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5. Maybe Reid...
has a little insider trading of his own going on. Everyone in Congress has a hotline to these companies and I am willing to bet that the average return on investment for our Congress critters is well above what joe-six pack gets...

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:07 PM
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6. Herein lines the ethical standard of our party. May it RIP.
Thank you, Mr. Reid. Ever consider a change in jobs? There is a Burger King here that is hiring. It is so automated that even you could figure out the job.

If democratic leadership brains are measured in tablespoons, the only consoling point is that GOP brains are measured in teaspoons.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:07 PM
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7. Our Dems are worthless.
Im fucking going independent.

Imagine if this was a dem during the Clinton presidency?
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:07 PM
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8. I agree
If someone is busy digging their own damn graves...don't, whatever you do, take away their shovel! Let them keep on digging until they can' get out anymore.

Reid had so much promise at first. Now he's got the Tom Daschle "gee, sure, whatever you 'R' guys say is perfectly fine with me" disease.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:10 PM
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11. it's like they somehow get to all of them
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:21 PM
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17. Exactly
Every time there is a chance the Dems can go after the repukes and their phony "ethics" they end up defending them. No wonder they can't win the majority.I am fed up with all of them. If there was a decent third party I would join it ASAP. I could never go repuke but I am really sick of the pussies in our party.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:08 PM
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10. I know he wouldnt do anything intentionally wrong,
Yes, of course - crimes committed by those in government are never intentional...law-makers and presidents are just ignorant of the law is all...it's never intentional. They didn't anticipate the consequence because who could? No doubt it wasn't a traditional crime...

No matter what the crime is...

(and some people actually wonder how America got to this point)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:13 PM
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12. Reid is usually a pretty smart fellow


Let's wait and see if Frist gets him a vote that WE need.

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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:15 PM
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13. Reid sucks
He has no spine and is a repug ass kisser.We don't have anyone representing us.Democrats have all turned into Republicrats. :grr:
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:15 PM
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22. NOT THE BLACK CAUCUS!!!
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:56 PM
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27. You've got that right!
The CBC is the only bunch of Democrats I really respect.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:16 PM
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14. What a fucking stupid thing to say....
Edited on Mon Sep-26-05 12:17 PM by truebrit71
...Jeebus Christ on a bike...

WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO GET REAL DEMOCRATS IN POWER???

Fuck me, what an absolutely asinine thing to say.... :eyes:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:20 PM
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16. The statement by it's very nature raises the question of whether
Frist did intentionally do something wrong.

It keeps the question out there.

I'm not so quick to jump on Reid about this. He may know something about politics, after all.

You notice he didn't say, "Frist is innocent."

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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:30 PM
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18. How about saying something more like...
"To the average citizen, this certainly has the appearance of being a shady deal. Perhaps Senator Frist did nothing wrong, or was unaware that he acted inappropriately, but he needs to be more forthcoming in his explanation."

That would keep the question out there even better than saying what he said, while not actually accusing Cat-killer of any wrongdoing.
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CheshireCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:37 PM
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19. I'm betting that Reid has been up to some of the same
investment games that Frist has been playing.

Face it, everyone! There are crooks on both sides of the isle.

The Democratic party is quickly becoming as corrupt has the Republican party. I have been watching this happen since 1980 - hell, maybe longer.

The corruption runs quite as deep within the Republican Party, although I still believe that there are a few honest Repubs out there. The crooks have not completely taken over Democratic Party, but its growing by leaps and bounds.

I do believe that there are some honest politicans in both parties, but it is becoming harder and harder to identitfy them. Don't make the mistake of thinking that if there is a D after the name, that they are honest.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:39 PM
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20. is there a link to Reid where we can write and express
outrage? How would Reid know Frist was honest? HCA, his company, stole billions from Medicare, not to mention the cat murdering stuff.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 12:49 PM
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21. But, Officer, I didn't *intentionally* drive 25 miles over the speed limit
Let's see how that goes over...:eyes:
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cranston36 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:19 PM
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23. Senator Frist and Martha Stewart
The Ethics Manual of the United States Senate (yes, they apparently need to have one) states that it is alright for a Senator to instruct the trustee of their qualified blind trust "to sell all of an asset" if a senator believes it "creates a conflict of interest or the appearance thereof due to the subsequent assumptions of duties" by the senator.
Reportedly Senator Frist had his trustee of his qualified blind trust sell his familyfs shares in HCA, Inc. The price thereafter dropped 9 percent and shows signs of further weakening.
Perhaps Mr. Frist had not read the Ethics Manual.
Insider trading is when someone, like Martha Stewart, sells or buys stock with information not available to regular investors. For example, with knowledge afore hand that the price will drop and lose money.
It remains to be seen if the Senate will allow one of its own to be held up to the same scrutiny that a home decorator had.
The SEC and the Justice Department are both looking into the charges.
At this time the Republicans are claiming that the Democrats will try to make something out of this while ignoring the fact that financial cheating goes against the grain of American sensibility.
HCA, founded by Fristfs father is the nationfs largest hospital chain.
As for the sense that Frist is a kind and gentle man the surgeon was quoted as saying, g"I can play hardball as well as anybody. That's what I did, cut people's hearts out."
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:38 PM
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24. Reid gets corporate donations too ....he's probably worried ...
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:44 PM
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25. Here's a summary of contributors to Reid's campaigns, notice Citigroup?
no wonder he supported the bankruptcy bill. I need to get the list of corporate officers, etc. for HCA and compare them to this list to see if there is a connection.

http://www.newsmeat.com/campaign_contributions_to_politicians/donor_list.php?candidate_id=S6NV00028
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-05 01:50 PM
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26. go, cleland!
snip...

While Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) declined to challenge Frist over his sale (see related story, p. 27), other Democrats pounced on the issue. The Democratic National Committee accused Frist of putting his "personal gain" ahead of the nation's best interests.

And former Sen. Max Cleland (D-Ga.) issued a statement likening Frist's sales to those of Martha Stewart, who recently left federal prison after being found guilty of lying to investigators regarding a tip she received regarding a denial for a new drug from the Food and Drug Administration.

"The Securities and Exchange Commission investigation of the Senate Republican Leader indicates a spreading of the Republican culture of corruption which now pervades the Republican leadership in Washington, D.C.,"Cleland said. "We don't need Martha Stewart in the United States Senate."

But Frist's allies remained behind him late last week, brushing off the attacks as partisan shots that won't be backed up after the investigation is complete. (Cleland lost his 2002 Senate race to Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), whose campaign was run by Tom Perdue, who spearheaded Frist's first campaign in 1994.)

more...

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007426&docId=l:313659055&start=4
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