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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:04 AM
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OK - Bill Frist did what Martha Stewart allegedly did
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 06:31 AM by AussieDave
why isn't he on trial ????
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:16 AM
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1. It's a new story here; he just may wind up in
court/jail. We have to watch it play out, but I'm in agreement. He's guiltier because he supposedly had/has the public trust.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:16 AM
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2. Give it time.........
the investigation is just starting. They didn't put Martha in the slammer overnight and Frist will be no different. Patience is a virtue.
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:22 AM
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3. I hear ya there, but when it comes to these things
I'm a supreme pessimist - unless they get a fearless prosecutor to take Frist on then he'll walk.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:50 AM
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10. So, which prison is Ken Lay in? n/t
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:24 AM
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4. Martha was convicted and imprisoned for lying to authorities

and obstruction of justice and related conspiracies. This was a result of suspicion and investigation for insider trading, but that was not criminally prosecuted.

So far, Frist is only suspected of Insider Trading which is not often criminally prosecuted except in certain egregious cases (such as involving corporate fraud or being a source). However, if he engages in continued evasions he could back himself into a set of problems like Martha had.

I don't know if there are any criminal or civil sanctions related to abusing a so-called blind trust.


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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:24 AM
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5. Martha was convicted of lying, not insider trading
Martha Stewart's convictions are as follows: conspiracy (specifically obstructing an agency proceeding, false statements, and perjury); false statements (two counts); and obstruction of justice.
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 06:30 AM
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6. I stand (or sit) corrected - thanks for setting me straight
but who knows if Frist won't do the same thing (lying, perjury, etc.) ????
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 08:49 AM
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11. And We Know Bill Frist Doesn't Lie. eom
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:01 AM
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7. Frist's seeing-eye blind trust was probably totally legal...
However, using the trust to sell the shares in the middle of a share dump by major shareholders two weeks before a big earnings warning looks suspicious. Having a blind trust that isn't blind, well, blame Congress for writing the idiot laws regarding them. (And I do, I very much do.) But that is not an adequate defense against insider trading. It's just that given the circumstances (other people on the inside dumping too), if you can't prove anything's fishy about the others, it's hard to go after Frist. That means more investigating, more resources, more time.

So in the most literal sense he's not on trial because it's too soon; the feds can't prove to themselves let alone to a jury that what he did was felonious.

Yet.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:12 AM
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8. Throw him into the cell next to Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay. Oh, wait, I
forgot. Mr.Enron isn't in jail.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 07:39 AM
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9. This morning, on the Bill Press show, they played some clips of Frist
explaining how he didn't know what was in the "blind trust", and that there was no legal way he could control the buying and selling of specific stocks in that blind trust. That would be "ILLEGAL" - Frist's own word.

And now, Frist is saying that he directed selling off of that specific set of stocks (that he "was unaware of" owning) - which, by his own words, IS ILLEGAL!

There's a lot more evidence here than there was to convict Martha Stewart - she was convicted on the premise of a phone call that they didn't even have a tape of . . .
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 02:23 PM
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12. What state would have the jurisdiction?
An AG's political aspirations will play big into this, whether we like it or not.
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