2005....1934

[Nightjock]

From the new dvd "Hitler in Colour"

Voice over to scenes of cheering crowds for Adolph Hitler:

.....Any opposition to Hitler is ruthlessly eradicated. Tens of thousands are imprisoned. Journalist Stephan Laurent dared to criticize The Fuehrer.....

..........."I am writing this from cell #24. Outside a new Germany is being created. Many millions are rejoicing. Hitler is promising everyone precisely what they want. I think when they wake to thier sobering senses, they will find they have been led by the nose and duped by lies."

DON'T TELL ME bush DOES NOT COMPARE TO THE NAZIS!
Go ahead. Flame if you must.

[Der Blaue Engel]

1. I've recognized this for a while

Some people find it too frightening to accept...but so did the Germans.

[enid602]

2. Bush

I think Bush is a wannabe. He's enjoyed incredible control over the media, and I think he's used events such as 9/11 to his political advantage. But he's tired now. I suppose a turnaround for him (or a coup) is possible, but it looks like his winter of '44 - '45.

[90-percent]

3. Nazi Tactics

Doesn't Karl Rove admire the Nazi playbook and use it often?

Joesef Goebbels himself would be proud of the Mayberry Machevelli's that are carrying on his Nazi traditions!

-85%

[no name no slogan]

4. Cripes. Godin's law invoked at 0 posts

When muslims are "outlawed", then the comparison matters.

When we are all rounded up and imprisoned because of our beliefs, then the comparison matters.

Right now, it's just hyperbole. And pointless.

You triviliaze those who survived and died in Nazi Germany by comparing the current incompetant, corrupt and clueless batch of powermongers to something as horribly evil as Hitler.

And you make yourself look like a jackass, to boot.

[enid602]

6. worse?

Bush will look trivial and unimpressive once we're through with him, but Hitler would have as well had he lived in a more diverse society with stronger democratic traditions. I may be speaking prematurely, but I'm starting to feel a bit more proud to be American these days, as it's starting to look like we'll rid ourselves of the Bush evil. We will have done something that Germany could not do. Left to themselves, however I feel that Bush and Co. could be a evil as the Nazis, or moreso.

[Nightjock]

7. So bush is not reponsible for 50 million dead

...which was the cost of World War 2.

Or murdering 6 million Jews.

But bush has plenty of blood on his hands.

And in AMERICA the media IGNORED 100,000 plus people outside of the White house!

I don't even recognize this country. The comparison does not begin and end with the holocaust.

And I feel I have to add this. My wife and her entire family are Jewish. (just in case you think I am being insensitive.)

Yours Truly,
JACKASS

[no name no slogan]

9. Bush does have blood on his hands-- but so does the rest of the country

Bush may be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, but he's not much different from many other US presidents, Democrat and Republican.

How many did Clinton kill in his "splendid little war" in the Balkans, or the action in Haiti?

How many did Dubya's daddy kill in his wars in Panama and the Gulf, not to mention Somalia?

How about Reagan's numerous excursions in Latin America, Africa and Asia?

Or Carter's blind eye on the slaughter in Indonesia-- a country whose brutal dictator (Suharto) killed a million people, and continued to receive US support up until he was deposed during Clinton's presidency? In fact, Clinton even went so far as to call Suharto "our kind of guy" right before he was overthrown!

What about Nixon's wars in Cambodia and Laos? Or his continuation of Vietnam, or the coups he fomented in Chile and Argentina?

Don't even start with Johnson. The Vietnam war killed at least two million Vietnamese and 55,000+ American servicemen and women.

Dubya has blood on his hands, true, but no more so than any other modern American president.

At this stage, to claim that Dubya is as bad as Hitler demeans those who died under and survived the Third Reich. He may have resorted to "Gestapo-like" tactics, but Dubya is NOT Hitler.

And in the interest of full disclosure, I, too, have Jewish and Roma (gypsy) blood in my veins.

[enid602]

10. Bush

No 50 million dead, but would we be able to say that if so many people had not been tirelessly investigating and publicizing DSM, Abu Ghraib, etc? The anti-Bush folk have been denied media time, but they've been working since day one (via the internet) to educate the populace on Bush. Air America, countless demonstrations. I think we'd be in Iran if Bush's agenda had not stalled as of late. You might have read that Brazil, Russia, India and China have promised to defend Iran in case of a US strike. World War III. Probably billions dead this time. Remember, we're talking about a regime which thinks NOTHING of using depleted uranium bombs. . . WMD's are not out of the question.

I'm not sure that Bush would have singled out a single group to punish, and hopefully we'll never know.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. No flames here...BUT

where are the cheering crowds for GWB? They are very quiet lately.

One other thing to consider: GWB is, by all accounts, a front man. No way was Hitler a front man for anyone.

Also, there was Mein Kampf. I don't think GWB and his cronies have put together anything as compelling and direct as that book, laying out the dream in black and white.

I just don't sense the same level of passion. This crowd is about bottom line. Bottom line is not passion. The Nazi's were passionate about their beliefs. They were willing to sacrifice and die for them. I don't think even the fundies compare... or most of them.

And what analogy would you make to the "Final Solution"? I don't see that parallel, either.

But no flames. Figuring out life is all about comparing and contrasting and pondering.

Let's keep talking about it. I'm interested in hearing more of your thoughts.

[Cary]

8. Not to say that it can't happen here, but. . .

Hitler didn't emerge in a vaccuum. Well, yes he did but not that kind of a vaccuum. Hitler emerged in Germany, which despite having more than it's share of the great philosophers (Hegal, Kant, Nietsche, . . .) had Realpolitick (more of an absence of political philosophy) instead of a philosophical underpinning.

Along came Hitler with a perverse, but undoubtedly German, political philosophy.

Other events conspired to fertilize the way for Hitler, like the shame of losing WWI and war reparations, along with hyper-inflation. . .

As bad as things are here, they just aren't comparable to 1934 in Germany.

I hope.