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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:14 AM
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Has anyone seen an official count of the dead in NOLA post Katrina?
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 07:16 AM by harlinchi
There was an alternative newspaper seller on the subway yesterday claiming many, many more deaths than I've ever heard. He claimed that the correct number is being actively hidden by the powers that be. Has there been an official toll published?
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:20 AM
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1. CNN has it at 1,130 officially so far...
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:21 AM
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2. It is roughly 900 in NOLA and climbing because
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 07:30 AM by kwassa
there are still many residences in the 9th ward and other areas that crews haven't entered because they were locked up and thereby placed as the last to examine, as I understand it. The recovery people were first going for houses already opened, or for ones where relatives wanted to know the status.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:00 AM
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8. I don't think they have permission to search yet.
At one point I heard the military guys say that they could only enter houses that were unlocked or someone answered and "allowed" them in.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:24 AM
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3. They don't even have an official count of the missing, let alone the dead.
What, you expect your government to care that you never showed after a devastating hurricane? Don't you know this is the small federal government(only in ability to actually accomplish something - the current government is huge compared to Clinton's) that they are drowning in the bathtub. They can't even keep an accurate track of the missing and the dead.
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:26 AM
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4. The man who made the claims said the poorest neighborhoods...
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 07:28 AM by harlinchi
...were the ones where deaths were being under counted. I'm sure that's true. I won't mention the numbers he said because they are quite high, to the point of being unbelievable. Seeing articles saying that NOLA will not have the large number of Blacks living in it post reconstruction that it did pre Katrina makes one wonder.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:27 AM
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5. The big secret !
I hear ya, its like some big secret ? When Katrina first hit ,numbers up to 500 dead and then its like all of a sudden the news media just stopped reporting how many dead ! Is this Russia or the USA ,why is our news media and the goverment seem to be one and the same . Of course most of the unreported dead are the poor ,unemployed and what the repuks probably consider the unimportant in our country ! However to me any human being who loses their life has the right to have their name listed and a prayer said for their soul in their name ,WTF is going on in my country !
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localroger Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:50 AM
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6. Why I believe it's being whitewashed
The population of the south shore (NOLA + Jefferson) metro area is about 1.3 million. Over 1 million people evacuated, but it's hard to put an exact number on that; when a million people leave in 48 hours nobody is counting exactly how many are in each car, etc.

As anybody who lives here will tell you, there is a significant minority which would not leave under any circumstances. They have no car, are old and conservative and live in a house that did not flood during Betsy, or too young to remember or too foolish. How large is this minority? It is very hard for me to believe it is less than 25 percent. This minority is larger in poor areas because more people don't have cars. Also, there is the matter of Lakeview, with an enormous population of conservative old people who remember that their neighborhood didn't flood or flooded only lightly during Betsy.

The news said 30,000 people were pulled off of rooftops, but that we have less than 1,000 dead. Think about this. This flood was not a storm surge, in most places it came up slowly enough that even infirm people and children could get into the attic. But in many places even the attic then went under. In places where it didn't, the water didn't go down, either. The days after the storm were hot. How long will most people survive in an attic where it is 130 degrees F and 100% humidity for 12 hours a day?

Of all the people who got into their attic -- including all those old people and children -- how many would have been capable of breaking out? We are being asked to believe, given the current casualty number, that 97% of those trapped in attics managed to exit. That seems to me to be ridiculous.

I would be amazed if there are less than 10,000 bodies in attics in Lakeview, the 9th ward, and St. Bernard Parish. 50,000 would be much more believable. It does seem to me that the authorities are maneuvering to conceal this as much as possible.

The unnecessarily chaotic diaspora of the post-Katrina evacuation, splitting families because consecutive busses were going to opposite ends of the country and so on, works to conceal the true count of missing. Most of the missing are almost certainly dead. People have so far been kept out of those same areas even when they have houses that might be salvaged, for example two-storey homes with intact second storeys which might be saved if the first floor was gutted in time and the occasional houses that took little or no water.

In the hours after the storm several officials floated numbers as high as 50,000 dead based on the flooding alone. This seemed reasonable to me. The current estimates of "a few thousand" seem entirely unreasonable to me. That the death toll would be so low makes no sense given what happened and what I know of my fellow citizens, many of whom had what they thought were excellent reasons for staying.

It would be all too convenient if the city decides to condemn entire neighborhoods wholesale and bulldoze them without more than a perfunctory return by those who are capable of grabbing the family photos. I for one won't believe any figure that doesn't have five digits, and I wouldn't argue with any that had six.
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:53 AM
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7. The numbers you mention bracket those claimed by the ...
...newspaper seller. He said 30,000.
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