Anyone else grossed out by how many democrats voted for Roberts?

[adarling]

I mean give me a break!! What the hell is wrong with people? The guy is a joke and so what if he has argued in front of the court a ton of times, THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM SUPREME COURT JUSTICE MATERIAL!! We need to hold those democrats accountable. This bipartisan crap needs to stop, they don't care if we support them, THEY DON't. i just don't understand why these guys keep shitting all over themselves and the party...sorry for the colorful description but i am just sick of it!:rant:

[tompayne1]

1. and i quote

"they may be misleading but they're his answers" Arlen Specter

[okrzesik]

2. Yes, I am sick ... too

We're one NAZI short of a RIECH!!

[adarling]

4. couldn't put it better myself

damn straight

[newyawker99]

21. Hi okrzesik!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sundancekid]

3. any link yet to actual roll call vote count in the senate? thanks

[Mabus]

7. Here you go

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9503382/

[Meeker Morgan]

8. Roll call vote right here.

http://www.c-span.org/congress/roberts_senate.asp

[Double T]

5. Those that voted for roberts are a disgrace to the Democratic Party.....

and need to be removed from political office in the next election. It's Democrats like this that keep the party down.

[Clark2008]

9. Looks like mostly the usual suspects to me:

Lieberman and the Pips.

[Amy6627]

6. It's that DLC mind set. They equate obstructionism with standing up

for what is right. EVERYONE needs to stand up and oppose things that are against our beliefs, not just when we can win. About Roberts I have heard so many people including people in the DU say we should pick our fights. We should not oppose Roberts and save our fight for the next one! Roberts is just as extremist as the big 10 nominees that sparked the whole nuclear option debate. Everyone is saying that we should save our fight for the nominee for O'connor's seat, let not forget Roberts was the pick for that before Rehnquist death. I am so sick of the "keep your powder dry" mentality, that is what has gotten the Dem party all screwed up! I'm so glad that George Washington didn't say I'm sitting this revolutionary war out, so I can keep my power dry for the next one.

[adarling]

10. exactly

so many centrist democrats have this mindset, my boss for instance. We chat about politics all the time, but this is the one thing we disagree on, he says i am radical for this idea, but the guy is not good and i showed him the proof, yet he was still skeptical. Do people really believe the Bush administration would put a "good" guy up there, i mean look who they got to run FEMA for heaven's sake!

[paineinthearse]

11. Did anyone watch Senator Reid's speech?

I was impressed, he slammed the rethugs for voting en block, contrasting that with his, the ranking member of the judiciary committee (Lehey) and the ranking member (Byrd) giving members no such direction.

The transcript will be in Thomas tomorrow.

Consent was a foregone conclusion, all 55 rethugs announcing they would be voting "aye" assured that.

It show Dems are independent and hold mainstream values. It also shows that they are saving "political capital" for the next one, the replacement for O'Conner's seat which, depending on the nominee, could produce the promised nuclear meltdown.

[BillZBubb]

12. What does it mean to be a Democrat? Seriously.

I just can't figure it out any more. We don't have a unified party with any clear objectives. We have a party of individuals who almost always pursue their own interest. I thought pursuing your own interest was a conservative credo--yet they are the disciplined party, not us.

We offer no clear, united alternative to the right wing. We present no coherent opposition. Our only hope to win is that the Repugs screw up so badly people will turn to us as the only alternative. That's not something to be excited about.

[Generator]

25. So true

So true so true. They don't even start with the idea of opposition or of sticking together. They are losers and we are losers. I want people that vote like a Democratic goddamn it. I don't give a shit if they have a D by their name. This vote is arguably more important and one they are more responsible for than any other because Roberts decisions could effect this country for not just decades but hundreds of years.

[MissMarple]

13. I guess we'll just have to see how this plays out.

I don't like buying a pig in a poke, but in the end, the joke may be on the fundies...and George. At least, that is what I am hoping. There is something almost puckish about Roberts.

:shrug:

[ChickMagic]

14. I'm grossed out that anyone is voting for Roberts

I think the Senate should stand up and say, "This president has shown such disregard for high office by appointing unqualified political friends that we have decided we should not approve any more of his nominations."

[OneBlueSky]

15. fuck 'em all! . . . Leahy, Feingold, Byrd, and all the rest of 'em . . .

if you can't stand up when it REALLY counts, we don't need your asses in Congress . . . vote 'em out! . . .

[Zynx]

16. Leahy, Feingold, and Byrd all voted against the IWR IIRC.

They have also opposed virtually everything else Bush has done. What the hell is the matter with you guys demanding they be voted out? We are very near a point at which we can obtain a landslide in '06 and you are calling for civil war in the party.

[Savannah Progressive]

17. Traitors to the Party

What does it matter if we win in a Landslide in 06, if we are stuck with the same Repugs? Zell Miller was no Democrat, sure he had a "D" after his name, but he endorsed the enemy. That isn't an act of conscience, any more than voting for Roberts. That is an act of a cowardly traitor, and we should demonstrate the power of the people.

We need a Revolution, we need a Permanent Revolution for the Party, and our nation

[newyawker99]

22. Hi Savannah Progressive!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Lexingtonian]

18. Well...

The 23 votes against him out of 100 happens to be rather exactly the proportion of American voters that selfidentify as liberals. Which is also the proportion of Americans who were opposed to his appointment- the pollings were ~55% to confirm, low twenties %s to reject him. Moderates were basically indifferent to him and went along.

Despite the numbers, Roberts is the Justice with the weakest rationale or 'mandate' to his appointment to the Court I can remember. To my sense of it, he's been given the desultory job of defending what can somewhat reasonably be defended of the Rehnquist Supreme Court's remaining conservative 'accomplishments' dating back to the Seventies and Eighties. As it is, Tony Kennedy and the Liberal Foursome have overturned maybe half of the most egregiously bad major verdicts of the Seventies and Eighties (Bowers, Penry, etc.) over the past three or four years with some help from O'Connor. Roberts is being put on the Court to stall or prevent overturn of Rehnquist stuff like Richardson v Ramirez (voting rights) and campaign finance law verdicts like Buckley v Valeo (iirc).

Roberts's role is basically defined as being a speedbump to trends on the Court. If you've looked at pollings and how much net shift against overturn of Roe v Wade there has been since early summer (more than 10% of the electorate, to an easy majority for pro-choice) it's pretty clear that there is no political point to and remarkable lot of political danger to Republicans/'conservatives' in an overturn. Plus, despite the argument in Roe being fragile, an overturn verdict would require (in my opinion) a misreading of 14th Amendment civil rights guarantees that would strike people now as so bizarre and unacceptable that the Supreme Court that issued it would fall into an utter contempt far beyond that created by the Bush v Gore decision. (Which happens also to be based in a ridiculous misapplication of the 14th Amendment guarantees.)

[Savannah Progressive]

20. Robert's isn't the weakest

First of all once you are in this job, you don't care about public opinion, you have it for life. That is what makes the court so dangerous, and why we need more Progressives like Ginsberg to help us pursue the proper social justice. He doesn't need even the pretend Madate of the Nazis(R).

Thomas was the weakest mandate, he only got 52 or was it 55 votes. Either way, he is pushing the far right wing with all his might. He is not only a traitor to the country, but to his race. This shows the absolute danger that is the Court in the wrong hands. This shows why we have to fight tooth and nail to defend our nation against the overthrow of propaganda and disinformation that is the Repug political machine.

We have to get our message out. We had a good start on Roberts with the TV ad, but we didn't follow through, we backed down in the face of the enemy. We retreated. We surrendered to the cries of unfair from the enemy. We allow the Repugs to define us, and we are silent as we are attacked daily by Hannity, Limbaugh, and Faux News. There are others, but I am so disgusted and angry I can't think right now.

We need to stop hiding, stop going and getting along. We need to stand up and say what the Repugs really are, and what we believe.

[sendero]

19. I think..

.... (and it might be wishful thinking, time will tell) that this was done in preparation for the REAL fight, which is O'Connor's replacement.

I think many Dems didn't see strong grounds for rejecting Roberts, and decided that since it would be impossible, short of a filibuster which they are saving for the next round to stop him anyway.

Check my posts, I'm usually as tough on the pink tutus as anyone, but this time I think there just might be a long range plan. We'll see.

[EndElectoral]

23. Appalling...wait till his decisions roll in...good god...

[Generator]

24. YES

My Senator Wyden, after writing him twice-I now think writing these losers is pointless. Why are they losers? BECAUSE they have been had-and that's my definition of a loser. I am more savy than they are-they don't get it. Of course, this nation is the ultimate loser and will pay for decades. Also-I wrote him not to confirm Condi Rice and his reason for confirming her? "He didn't want to hold her accountable for the Bush mistakes and mistruths in going to war." What a fucking idiot Wyden is. She is the number one cheerleader for Bush and the war and all war and everything the neo-cons do.

These senators are STUPID. Either that or they are souless hacks. Take your pick. I have HAD it.

[Beaverhausen]

26. At least both of my senators voted against

Feinstein does the right thing for once!

Boxer always does the right thing.