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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:21 PM
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I think we are looking at a McCain/Allen GOP ticket.
1. There will be no one else to run for the GOP.
Cheney-too old-bad health
Frist-resigns in disgrace over insider trading
Santorum--crazy talker and he will lose to Casey
Romney-Nope
Guilianni-Not OK with far right
Jeb-family a liability and he will lose the governorship in Fla.

2. THE GOP will need someone they think is popular--the only one left is McCain.

3. Allen will pander to the far right.

4. They will still lose.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:23 PM
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1. allen?
pardon my ignorance. I also can't see anything with McCain being weak.
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Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:25 PM
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6. The current Senator from and former Governor of Virginia.
George Allen. Slick talker, panderer, and beloved of the Christian Right.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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10. thanks.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:34 AM
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22. He's also dumber than a box a rocks...
...which means he'll be a shoo in for the Republicans!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:23 PM
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2. condiLeeza wiLL Lead us
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:24 PM
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3. i have been hearing
condi vs hilary
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win_in_06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:24 PM
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4. The ultimate winner will have to pander to the far right
which is why I think Allen has a better chance than McCain. The far right does not like McCain.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:25 PM
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5. If you buy into the idea that the parties rig the primaries, maybe.
I don't. And I don't think McCain could win a GOP primary. Too many nutjobs who don't think he's enough of a religious freak.
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shaggy1974 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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9. I think you're right
The question is whether McCain can win the Republican primary. If he can, I really don't think there's much of a question, that he stand a much better than average chance of winning in the general election.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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7. McCain will never win the nomination.
Not so long as the extreme right controls the Republican Party. He's far too moderate for them, even though he's much too conservative for most of us.

Plus, it's about three years too early to be trying to handicap the 06 election.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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Don't be surprised if Guliani started shifting some of his positions
to become more appealing to the far right. But all we'd have to do is point out that he planned to sit on the money donated to the city for 9/11 victims until the end of March (also known as the end of the first quarter). He was stopped only by public outcry.

:headbang:
rocknation
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:29 PM
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12. NOW if Congess changes hands--the entire game changes.
Paper trails

REal election reform.

And the loss of some real clout for the GOP. 2006 sets up 2008-particularly this time.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:27 AM
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20. He'll do as well in the primaries
as John Lindsey and Nelson Rockefeller did.

My guess remains

McCain / Kay Bailey Hutchison
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 PM
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8. Yeah, Allen wants to be Prez bad. But I think he would defer to
McCain and take the #2 spot. I see a fantastic campaign ad with Condi lying to the 911 commission--playing off the PDB. No way she gets their nod. Do not forget that these are the same Bill Bennett-type folks--deep down they would vote for Bill Clinton again before they put a black woman as the leader of their GOP. They like her where she is.
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On Par Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:28 PM
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11. Don't Overlook Lindsay Graham from SC.
He's smart, sharp, and a moderate.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:30 PM
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13. Yeah, he was in the compromise group. BUT he also was a House
manager that spent a fool's ransom to go after Clinton. I think he may shoot for SC governor. Maybe VP one day but not now.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:29 PM
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16. He's also the worst kept secret in the Republican party.
It will be a blizzard in Hell before the current GOP nominates a gay man for President.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:37 PM
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14. McCain?
No. The base won't go for him. They hate him almost as much as they hate Hillary. Remember, he's a moderate at heart. He couldn't get the nomination any easier than Hillary could get the Dem nomination, which is not at all.

Forget McCain. He's just not an option for the Repukes. The only way he gets the nomination is if he picks up the banner out of the ashes of a self-destructed party. Then, he may be a good one, but then, all options will be on the table. Under those conditions it could literally be anybody. McCain just doesn't sound likely.

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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:08 PM
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15. Here's the Democratic ad against him:
Text: Who's worse, the fool, or the fool who follows him?

Or alternatively: you make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like a natural womaaaaaan.

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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:42 PM
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18. LOL!
Now I'll think of that every time I see this pic.
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category5 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:38 PM
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17. I agree with your analysis.........n/t
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:49 PM
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19. why does everyone leave out Hagel? I think he's got the best shot.
:shrug: (and worries me the most, actually)
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:28 AM
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21. Sounds good to me.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:46 AM
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23. They might go with young blood
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 01:46 AM by loyalsister
Someone told me that they saw a news report that speculated that MO governor Matt Blunt might be a VP pick. He's young- 35, I think. He's friendly with the xtian right- this is the home state of Ashcroft after all. Despite his low poll numbers, the GOP is actually proud of what he has done with Medicaid. It is a blueprint for the rest of the country.
They would have the added benefit of getting him off of the ticket- with kudos. I could see how it could be possible for him to be more of an asset to them on the national ticket than at the top of a state ticket. They could turn his negs to positives just by putting him there.
I hope it doesn't happen, but I could see them trying it. This could have something to do with dad's new post. Name recognition - congressional reformer- like father like son, etc. Scary but possible.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:47 AM
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24. Wrong. The Republicans WON'T lose
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 01:49 AM by nvliberal
as long as they control the voting machines.

And it WON'T be McCain/Allen, for McCain has burned too many bridges for the Republican bigwigs to have him on the ticket.

Furthermore, he's too old.

It'll be far more likely to be Allen/Rice or Allen/somebody else on the ticket, or, if Hillary is crazy enough to run and get the nomination, Condi Rice on the top of the ticket, regardless of any howls from the base.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:49 AM
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25. Don't forget Romney!
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:40 PM
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31. No one would vote for Romney. He is too screwy.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:37 AM
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26. A lot of people on the right
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 04:38 AM by fujiyama
still despise McCain. I know Pat Robertson for one does. I recall him saying that he would support Giulliani over McCain. I get the sense Giulliani is much more popular in the party than McCain.

It's still very tough to say. I think we are looking at Allen running.
I 'm pretty sure he could pick up the fundie-nut-job votes. Romney may pull off something as well, depending on whether he's anti-choice or not (I'm not particular familiar with his stance on the issue).

I think we may see Barbor in some role (maybe vp?). He has been very loyal to this administration and inspite of this talk of "running away" from the administration, I still think the eventual candidate will be required to kiss the ring of Cheney. Someone also mentioned the governor of Arkansas. Who knows.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:45 AM
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27. Allen seems to suffer from typical Repub. egomania.
He might not accept the #2 slot. I'm also wondering about McCain. How is his health? The right side of his face seems to be getting very swollen again. When it all shakes out, a McCain/Allen ticket wouldn't be a surprise though.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:06 AM
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28. The GOP will never run a veteran. Also, he has the Keating Five
Scandal to overcome.

I think they'll try with Newt.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:24 AM
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29. Why McCain won't get the GOP nom.....
Forum Name Evidence Room
Topic subject What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary
Topic URL http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522
522, What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary
Posted by RussBLib on Sun Aug-22-04 08:13 PM

FACT SHEET:

Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.”

McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.
Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.”

Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper.
“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.”

Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.
“Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.”

Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter.
Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.”

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker.

After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.
A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower’s involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that “McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.” (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, “nose to nose” according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had “harmed his reputation,” Slater later noted. But according to one witness, “What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.”

Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold’s Chief Opponent.
Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell’s effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, “sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.”

Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis.

Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”

Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”
“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’”

Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.
“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.”

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0821c.html

Of course, the Freepers will deny that any of this actually took place, the poor saps.
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Whoever hires Rove will get the GOP nom
:silly:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:55 PM
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30. McCain is not a strong enough pro-lifer to get the nomination
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:18 PM
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33. He is VERY pro-life. However, he is anti-tax cut so that's a no go.
Republicans, above all else, love tax cuts. I personally believe the Iraq War was, in part, a method of building support around Bush in general so the tax cuts would be more popular too.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:14 AM
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35. He is not pro-life enough for REPUBLICANS, read this quote
"But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to (undergo) illegal and dangerous operations."

-McCain
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:58 PM
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32. Lump me in with the "they're too reasonable the get the nomination" crowd.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:23 PM
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34. "Senator Allen, could you
please explain why you prominently displayed a noose in your law office? a Confederate battle flag on your living room wall? why you proclaimed Confederate History Month as Governor of Virginia? Senator Allen, a number of your high school classmates have come forward with the accusation that as a senior you defaced the walls of your school with racist graffiti. Could you please further elaborate on that incident?"

If any member of the press decided to nail his ass, Allen could easily be reduced to toast.
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