On a Scale of 0-10 how enthusiastically would you support the following...

[nickshepDEM]

2008 candidates in the GENERAL ELECTION.

Use this key as a vague guideline.

10 - Would put your life on hold to make sure this man/woman is elected. Time and money, not an issue.

5 - Would vote for, but not campaign very enthusiastically for.

0 - Would not vote for.


Senator Evan Bayh
Senator Joe Biden
Senator Russ Feingold
Senator Hillary Clinton
Senator John Kerry

Governor Mark Warner
Governor Bill Richardson
Governor Tom Vilsack

Former VP Al Gore
Former Senator John Edwards
General Wesley Clark

[castiron]

1. Another Clinton/Gore ticket would get an 8 to 9 for me.

[marmar]

2. hmm

bayh - 4
biden - 1
feingold - 7
clinton - 6
warner - 6
richardson - 7
vilsack - n/a, don't know a thing about him
gore - 8
edwards - 8
clark - 8

[Cosmocat]

140. Well ...

Whoever it might be, he/she will get my vote ...

Senator Evan Bayh - 3 - I am not a huge fan ... He almost looks like a civilized conservative ...

Senator Joe Biden - Don't know enough ...

Senator Russ Feingold - 6 - He's OK ... I don't think he is ready ...

Senator Hillary Clinton - 10 - Hillary is so sharp, so politically astute ... I don't question her motives, as some of the hard core doubters do ...

Senator John Kerry - 6 - He would have been a solid president, but he lost, and outside of the machinations of the conservative machine, he lost for a reason ... While a very decent and intelligent man, he lacks something to connect him to the masses - NOT that that is real important for a president, but he does have to get elected, and he already has a loss under his belt ...

Governor Mark Warner - Don't know enough ...

Governor Bill Richardson - 4 - I don't like him ... He seems a bit slimy ...

Governor Tom Vilsack - Don't know a lot, but what little I have seen doesn't impress me all the much ...

Former VP Al Gore - 6 - See Gore ...

Former Senator John Edwards - 5 - You can tell he is a very decent man, but I am not sure he has the full intellectual capacity for the job ... I also don't know that he has enough experience ...

General Wesley Clark - 10 - I like him bunches ... He has some holes in his resume, but he has a lot of positive characterists that appear to the masses ...

[tompayne1]

3. if wes clark was willing to go a little less psycho liberal

10 for him

maybe a 8 for edwards

in my opinion gore sold himself out as a whore when he endorsed dean as opposed to lieberman.

7 for biden

8 for clinton.

[election_2004]

31. Gore "sold himself out"?????

Are you kidding me? Refusing to endorse "Joementum" for 2004 was one of the few times Al Gore has actually acted on his conscience!!!

[The Traveler]

35. Yeah

Clark pays too much attention to the philosophies of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and those other psycho colonists.

[Lecky]

46. wes clark "psycho liberal" are you serious?

Please explain...

[Guaranteed]

59. Don't bother.

It's nonsense.

[Douglas Carpenter]

114. what specific policy positions did Clark or Dean or any other leading

Democratic candidate advocate that were as you say "psycho-liberal"?

Can you name even one?

[merwin]

118. You're ragging on Gore for endorsing Dean?

Huh?

[Clark2008]

122. Psycho liberal?

Been reading the corporate media too much, haven't you?

[nvliberal]

147. I was pissed off at Gore, too, for endorsing Dean,

but in retrospect he did the country a great service, for his endorsement was the kiss of death for Dean's campaign.

From that moment on, Dean went in a downward spiral of his own making because the pressure got too intense.

[usregimechange]

4. yep yep yep

Senator Evan Bayh 6
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 8
Senator Hillary Clinton 6

Governor Mark Warner 6
Governor Bill Richardson 6
Governor Tom Vilsack 6

Former VP Al Gore 9
Former Senator John Edwards 8
General Wesley Clark 9

[AntiCoup2K4]

49. You sure know how to rate your DLC'ers!!

Senator Evan Bayh 6
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Hillary Clinton 6

Governor Mark Warner 6
Governor Bill Richardson 6
Governor Tom Vilsack 6

I agree. They all are evil

:evilgrin:-------------:evilgrin:

[Zhade]

85. HAHAHA!

Nice catch.

[renie408]

5. I will go at least a 7-8 on whoever gets the nomination

But I would be genuinely excited about some combination of Gore, Edwards or Clark.

[benddem]

6. Gore Clark

Gore Edwards Gore Feingold Clark Feingold

Don't even think of Biden, I called and told him...I'll work very hard against anyone who vote for the MBNA bankruptcy law.

[KnowerOfLogic]

126. Gore-Clark yes; the rest i probably wouldn't even vote for. nt

[lcordero2]

7. here

0
0
10
0

0
0
0

5 on the condition that he not have Lieberman or anybody that has a 0 from me on this list, the same goes to the other 10 above
0
0

on edit: I had to take points away from Gore for his views on free trade and for voting for Gulf War One

[renie408]

13. So, essentially you will lay down your life for Feingold or Gore

But won't even vote for anybody else?

[lcordero2]

20. no

I believe in Feingold

I'm lukewarm about Gore

I lay my life down for NOBODY

on edit: as far as the others are concerned, I wouldn't spit in their face to give them relief if their face was on fire.

[renie408]

34. Why?

[lcordero2]

38. I don't vote for criminals and I don't vote for ppl that I don't know

[renie408]

84. Those are pretty good standards to maintain...

I am sincerely asking here, which ones are criminals? This may be common knowledge and I am not informed enough.

[WildEyedLiberal]

97. Now now...

... making the newbie back up hyperbolic rhetoric with facts... tsk tsk... :P

[Clark2008]

124. Then you need to start learning who some of them are.

That's not THEIR responsibility - it's yours as a voter.

Oh - and you better not be intimating that Clark is a criminal - or Edwards, for that matter. And I don't even LIKE Edwards - but I'll stand up and say the man is NOT a criminal (and if you don't know him and that's why you rated him a "0," then you have serious attention problems.)

[ieoeja]

78. You were against the Gulf War?

Almost every Muslim nation in the world backed the UN on that one. But not you?

[welshTerrier2]

8. Clinton = 0

what was the rest of the question ??

[nickshepDEM]

9. My list...

Senator Evan Bayh - 7
Senator Joe Biden - 7
Senator Russ Feingold - 9
Senator Hillary Clinton - 3

Governor Mark Warner - 8
Governor Bill Richardson - 6
Governor Tom Vilsack - 6

Former VP Al Gore - 5
Former Senator John Edwards - 9
General Wesley Clark - 6

[davikim]

10. I'd give any a 5

but I might give Gore a 10

[dalaigh lllama]

16. Gotta agree. Gore for me at 10

And welcome to DU
:hi:

[GreenArrow]

11. uninspiring

Senator Evan Bayh -- 0
Senator Joe Biden -- 0
Senator Russ Feingold -- 5
Senator Hillary Clinton -- 0
Senator JOhn Kerry -- 0

Governor Mark Warner -- 0
Governor Bill Richardson -- 0
Governor Tom Vilsack -- 1

Former VP Al Gore -- 1 (only because he was cheated last time)
Former Senator John Edwards -- 0
General Wesley Clark -- 0

Ratings subject to change, dependent on performance in next 2 years.

[nickshepDEM]

14. Why the + for Vilsack?

[GreenArrow]

18. I know less about him than the others

but I've edited my post to a straight one.

[WildEyedLiberal]

94. Wow, you're helping win America back from the fascists!

:eyes:

[GreenArrow]

103. how so?

I consider several of the candidates in the list, if not most of them, to be fascists, or maybe more appropriately, corporatists.

[WildEyedLiberal]

110. Yes, Kerry is a fascist - damn, have you got him pegged

A flaming, jackbooted, fascist. He even voted for CAFTA and the bankruptcy bill, that filthy corporate whore, as well as all of Bush's fascist nominees!

Oh wait, that's right. He didn't. And don't bother screeching about the IWR to me; you won't convince me any more than the other 100 purer than thou handwringers before you. I'd tell you to focus your hatred on the real enemy, but it's obvious to me that you have no desire to actually get them out of power, or else you'd support Democrats. Bye!

[0007]

150. Have you ever been arrested for speeding?

[TayTay]

12. You forgot Kerry

So I'm not answering.

[nickshepDEM]

15. Shit. Really didnt mean to. Edited!

[UrbScotty]

17. I'll support our nominee regardless, but...

Evan Bayh: 8
Joe Biden: 7
Russ Feingold: 9
Hillary Clinton: 8
John Kerry: 8
Mark Warner: 8
Bill Richardson: 8
Tom Vilsack: 7
Al Gore: 9, but I don't think he'll run
John Edwards: 8
Wesley Clark: 9

[kster]

19. If the vote stealing machines

are still in place in 2006, sorry I won't be able to support any candidate Dem or Repug. If the honest Dems and Repugs will not call for papaer ballots counted by the people then they obviously don't give a damn if I vote or not,because it will not be counted. (1 to 10) -0-

If PBHC are in place Kerry, AL Gore and or Edwards. (1 to 10)-10-

[Pam-Moby]

21. These are

Former VP Al Gore 9

Senator Evan Bayh 2
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 6
Senator Hillary Clinton 5

Governor Mark Warner 0
Governor Bill Richardson 7
Governor Tom Vilsack 5

Former Senator John Edwards 8
General Wesley Clark 7

[nickshepDEM]

27. Sup with the zero for the best Governor in the country?

;)

[NNadir]

22. Gore 10. Edwards 8, Richardson 8. The rest are lower.

[AX10]

23. My list:

Senator Evan Bayh 4
Senator Joe Biden 4-
Senator Russ Feingold 9+
Senator Hillary Clinton 3+
Senator John Kerry 6

Governor Mark Warner 5
Governor Bill Richardson 5-
Governor Tom Vilsack 5+

Former VP Al Gore 9+
Former Senator John Edwards 5+
General Wesley Clark 10+

[CTD]

24. Bill Bradley - 10

Bill Bradley - 10
Hillary - 0
Gore - 2
Kerry - 6
Edwards - 8
Clark - 4
Richardson - 2
Warner - 6

[Dogmudgeon]

25. Ten for all

(Health permitting. The only reason why I haven't been more politically active than I can be from a keyboard is because of several severe health and family problems that have hit since 2001.)

Yes, even "Joementum", because Lieberman at his most conservative is a far better man than any Republican at his/her most liberal. (There may be some exceptions to that, but they aren't even talking about running yet. And also, Lieberman isn't likely to run at all in 2008.)

Gore, Edwards, Kerry, Clark, Clinton, and Richardson are all excellent choices, and there are probably a number of others out there. Our problem isn't finding good candidates, it's making sure that the Republicans don't get away with a fourth electoral theft.

However, it is likely to become easier as time goes on. Barring direct intervention by Satan or Xenu, the Bush administration is a corpse waiting for its last heartbeat. By the mid-term election in 2010, it will be difficult to find anyone who will claim to be "conservative".

--p!

[Nite Owl]

26. Some I really don't know much

about yet like Warner so this could change in time


Senator Evan Bayh 3
Senator Joe Biden 3
Senator Russ Feingold 8
Senator Hillary Clinton 0
Senator John Kerry 5

Governor Mark Warner 5
Governor Bill Richardson 5
Governor Tom Vilsack 4

Former VP Al Gore 9
Former Senator John Edwards 9
General Wesley Clark 9

[election_2004]

28. My choices

Senator Evan Bayh - 6
Senator Joe Biden - 3
Senator Russ Feingold - 8
Senator Hillary Clinton - 0
Senator John Kerry - 6

Governor Mark Warner - 7
Governor Bill Richardson - 7
Governor Tom Vilsack - 6

Former VP Al Gore - 0
Former Senator John Edwards - 7
General Wesley Clark - 8

[CoffeeCat]

29. My answers...

Senator Evan Bayh--5
Senator Joe Biden--0
Senator Russ Feingold--5
Senator Hillary Clinton--NEVER!! Go AWAY!! 0
Senator John Kerry--10

Governor Mark Warner--5
Governor Bill Richardson--5
Governor Tom Vilsack--10

Former VP Al Gore--10
Former Senator John Edwards--10
General Wesley Clark--10

[TheFarseer]

30. Here's my take

Bayh - 4
Biden - 6
Feingold - 8
Clinton - 1
Kerry - 3
Warner - 7
Richardson - 2
Vilsack - 6
Gore - 10
Edwards - 10
Clark - 10

[dretceterini]

33. I wouldn't give ANY of them

more than a 5, and my highest votes would go for Feingold and Edwards

[WildEyedLiberal]

98. Way to be pure!!!! n/t

[KnowerOfLogic]

127. Standing for nothing = weakness. Weakness = losing. nt

[WildEyedLiberal]

130. Who are you to determine that?

Who are you to determine that someone stands for nothing simply because you don't share some of the positions they've taken? That's called purity, and it never wins.

[samos1016]

32. My list....

Senator Evan Bayh-5
Senator Joe Biden-6
Senator Russ Feingold-4
Senator Hillary Clinton-8
Senator John Kerry-5

Governor Mark Warner-5
Governor Bill Richardson-8
Governor Tom Vilsack-6

Former VP Al Gore-7
Former Senator John Edwards-9
General Wesley Clark-8

[BillZBubb]

36. Seven (maybe more) for ANY Dem not associated with DLC.

3 for any Dem associated with DLC.

I'll never vote for a Republican. I would hold my nose and vote for a DLCer, and I wouldn't feel good about it.

[The Traveler]

37. Here are my picks

Wes Clark 9.0
John Edwards 8.5
Al Gore 8.5 after a sharp recent rise, trending upward

These men have several qualities in common.

[mvd]

39. This is fun - mine:

Senator Evan Bayh - 5
Senator Joe Biden - 3 (bankruptcy bill supporter)
Senator Russ Feingold - 10
Senator Hillary Clinton - 7
Senator John Kerry - 9

Governor Mark Warner - 5
Governor Bill Richardson - 5
Governor Tom Vilsack - 5

Former VP Al Gore - 10
Former Senator John Edwards - 7
General Wesley Clark - not sure; I'd vote for him though

[Darkhawk32]

40. My responses....

Senator Evan Bayh -------------- 5
Senator Joe Biden --------------- 3
Senator Russ Feingold ----------- 7
Senator Hillary Clinton --------- 6
Senator John Kerry -------------- 7

Governor Mark Warner ------------ 6
Governor Bill Richardson -------- 6
Governor Tom Vilsack ------------ 4

Former VP Al Gore --------------- 9
Former Senator John Edwards ----- 7
General Wesley Clark ------------ 7

[zalinda]

41. Why would anyone support Richardson?

He stopped the recount in New Mexico.

zalinda

[GOPFighter]

42. Edwards/Feingold gets an 8 from me

...

[unkachuck]

43. weeeee....

Evan Bayh -- blah = 1
Joe Biden -- you've gotta be kiddin' = 1
Russ Feingold -- he could have been great, but = 1
Hillary Clinton -- Mrs Clinton should only represent the DLC and NY = 1
John Kerry -- been there, done that = 1
Mark Warner -- who? = 1
Bill Richardson -- New Mexico loves you, stay there = 1
Tom Vilsack -- who? who? = 1
Al Gore -- what can you say? forget about it = 1
John Edwards -- the mill(wrights) son needs to bid on another job = 1
Wes Clark -- achtung, no = 1

I'm waiting for a real Democratic leader like FDR to magically appear before us....I don't see any yet, I'll let you know if I spot one....

[countmyvote4real]

44. The last three are the strongest for me.

Senator Evan Bayh 1
Senator Joe Biden 0
Senator Russ Feingold 5
Senator Hillary Clinton 0
Senator John Kerry 0
Governor Mark Warner 1
Governor Bill Richardson 5
Governor Tom Vilsack 1
Former VP Al Gore 10
John Edwards 8
General Wesley Clark 9

[Douglas Carpenter]

134. do you seriously believe John Kerry is that much less progressive than

Al Gore that you wouldn't even vote for Kerry but you would do anything to help Al Gore?

Frankly, I think Al Gore would probably make the best candidate of anyone on that list (unless Feingold's candidacy really takes off). And I do not think it is very likely that John Kerry could win the nomination.

But I think, if you look at their positions and record--Gore and Kerry are roughly equivalent. I would consider that the most important question.

[Lecky]

45. hmm...

Senator Evan Bayh 5
Senator Joe Biden 5
Senator Russ Feingold 8
Senator Hillary Clinton 7/8
Senator John Kerry 6

Former VP Al Gore 7
Former Senator John Edwards 6/7
General Wesley Clark 10


Don't know much about any of the governors so I am refraining from rating them.

[Quetzal]

47. yo

Senator Evan Bayh 2
Senator Joe Biden 3
Senator Russ Feingold 9
Senator Hillary Clinton 3
Senator John Kerry 7

Governor Mark Warner - no comment
Governor Bill Richardson 5
Governor Tom Vilsack - no comment

Former VP Al Gore 9
Former Senator John Edwards 7
General Wesley Clark 9

A three for me indicates I will probably vote for the Green party before voting for the said candidate.

[AntiCoup2K4]

48. Gore/Clark is the strongest possible ticket of the names listed here

Senator Evan Bayh - 0
Senator Joe Biden - negative 10
Senator Russ Feingold - 5 (I'd vote for him, but senators ain't getting elected)
Senator Hillary Clinton -0
Senator John Kerry - 0 (he had his chance, and didn't fight back)

Governor Mark Warner - 0 (until someone gives me a good reason to say otherwise)
Governor Bill Richardson - 0
Governor Tom Vilsack - negative 10

Former VP Al Gore - 10
Former Senator John Edwards - 5
General Wesley Clark - 10 as Gore's running mate, 5 on his own

[faithfulcitizen]

50. good ?, mine:

Senator Evan Bayh-5
Senator Joe Biden-5
Senator Russ Feingold-5
Senator Hillary Clinton-4.5
Senator John Kerry-5

Governor Mark Warner-5
Governor Bill Richardson-7
Governor Tom Vilsack-5

Former VP Al Gore-7
Former Senator John Edwards-4.5
General Wesley Clark-9

[Clarkie1]

51. My numbers

Senator Evan Bayh - 5
Senator Joe Biden - 5
Senator Russ Feingold -6
Senator Hillary Clinton -5
Senator John Kerry -5

Governor Mark Warner -4
Governor Bill Richardson -5
Governor Tom Vilsack -5

Former VP Al Gore -7
Former Senator John Edwards -6
General Wesley Clark -10

[SaveElmer]

52. Here you go...

Senator Evan Bayh - 5
Senator Joe Biden -6
Senator Russ Feingold - 8
Senator Hillary Clinton - 10
Senator John Kerry - 6

Governor Mark Warner - 7
Governor Bill Richardson - 7
Governor Tom Vilsack - 6

Former VP Al Gore - 8
Former Senator John Edwards - 9
General Wesley Clark - 9

[ladylibertee]

53. Here's my vote

Senator Evan Bayh / 0
Senator Joe Biden /5
Senator Russ Feingold /0
Senator Hillary Clinton / 10
Senator John Kerry / 7

Governor Mark Warner /5
Governor Bill Richardson /0
Governor Tom Vilsack /0

Former VP Al Gore /5
Former Senator John Edwards /100
General Wesley Clark / 2

[high density]

54. hmm

I would vote for all of these people over an unnamed Repuke candidate, though I doubt that any of these people besides Wes Clark or perhaps Al Gore could actually win. (I don't think Gore will run, anyway.)

Senator Evan Bayh - 2
Senator Joe Biden - 2
Senator Russ Feingold - 6
Senator Hillary Clinton - 3
Senator John Kerry - 3

Governor Mark Warner - 3
Governor Bill Richardson - 3
Governor Tom Vilsack - 2

Former VP Al Gore - 4
Former Senator John Edwards - 3
General Wesley Clark - 9

[Gemini Cat]

55. Okay

Senator Evan Bayh---4
Senator Joe Biden---4
Senator Russ Feingold---6
Senator Hillary Clinton---5
Senator John Kerry---5

Governor Mark Warner---5
Governor Bill Richardson---5
Governor Tom Vilsack---5

Former VP Al Gore---9
Former Senator John Edwards---9
General Wesley Clark---10

[wisteria]

56. Kerry / Clark or Kerry / Vilsack -9- I only have so much money! n/t

[Selatius]

57. Didn't Bayh and Biden vote for that damn BANKRUPTCY BILL?

[election_2004]

61. I wouldn't use it as a litmus test....

As pandering and weasly as Biden is, and as much as Bayh seems to favor Clinton-esque triangulation, neither Biden nor Bayh would have pushed that version of the Bankruptcy Bill if they were sitting in the Oval Office as president.

I think Bayh voted for it because of his red state status, and Biden voted for it so the credit card companies would contribute to his 2008 run. Bayh's position seems more forgiveable than Biden's.

[mvd]

73. It means a lot to me, personally

It's a really bad bill, and a Democrat (especially from a blue state) supporting it is very troublesome. I didn't remember that Bayh voted for it. I'll reduce his rating to 4 then. A 3 or 4 means my vote for that Democrat depends on who is running on the Repuke side and how close the race is. I wouldn't let the bankruptcy bill allow them to install another Bush type.

[1932]

74. It really shows where politicians align themselves on one of the most

importan axes in politics: large corporations vs consumer/worker/entrepreneures

[Douglas Carpenter]

117. I wouldn't suggest that they should be expelled from the Party, but to

support such draconian legislation should (not necessarily will but should) disqualify them from any progressive support for the Presidential nomination. If (God forbid) they became the nominee than we have to deal with that reality.

Indiana might be a "red state" but I have trouble believing that the ordinary working people of Indiana were pressuring Sen. Bayh to support that bill. Democratic office holders in red states might find themselves in a difficult situation when in comes to certain social issues or the gun issue. But, there is no constituency demanding more corporate power and fewer rights for working people even in "red states".

[Guaranteed]

58. 0, 1, 7, 3, 4, 0, 1, 0, 10, 4, 8. nt

[ralphwiggum]

60. Here's my list in order

Feingold, Gore, Clark, Kerry, Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Vilsack

Richardson & Bayh are too centrist/DLC types. I honestly don't know enough about Mark Warner to render an opinion.

[Ferret Annica]

62. I have no doubt...

...that I'll likely vote Democratic this next time around. Unless they look like a shoe-in, then I'll vote Green; my party. But I would like to see people be allowed to vote for the candidate of their choice along with their second choice should their first preference not get the percentage needed to be competitive.

If that happened then the first choice would be vacated to allow the second choice to get the vote.

This would allow the reasonable growth of third parties, which would be far better then propping up the current two main parties that seem all too often to be hard to tell apart.

[Zynx]

63. 6,6,8,5,5,9,6,7,5,5,7

[CrackpotAmerica]

64. Results for me!

Senator Evan Bayh 0
Senator Joe Biden 5
Senator Russ Feingold 5
Senator Hillary Clinton 0
Senator John Kerry 10

Governor Mark Warner 0
Governor Bill Richardson 0
Governor Tom Vilsack 0

Former VP Al Gore 5-10
Former Senator John Edwards 5
General Wesley Clark 5

[HughBeaumont]

65. Ratings -

Senator Evan Bayh - 5
Senator Joe Biden - 5
Senator Russ Feingold - 10
Senator Hillary Clinton - 0
Senator John Kerry - 10

Governor Mark Warner - 10
Governor Bill Richardson - 5
Governor Tom Vilsack - 5

Former VP Al Gore -5
Former Senator John Edwards - 10
General Wesley Clark - 10 +. He's your best bet. Wouldn't kowtow to Karl and the OilReich.

Diebold and ESS still remain a problem no matter how you slice it.

[Skidmore]

66. Clark/Edwards

Gore/Edwards
Clark/Gore
Gore/Feingold
Clark/Feingold

[JoshDem]

67. Dem Ratings

0,5,5,0,10,0,0,0,5,5,5.

Will not vote or work for a DLC type.

Where are Boxer and Kucinich--true democrats.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

68. I am underwhelmed by all of the empty-suit DLCers

whose only appeal is that they're "the unBush" or that they look like TV anchormen and won't "scare the moderates."

I want to see someone with inspiring ideas, the ability to capture a crowd, and a track record of standing up for ordinary people.

After 2000 and 2004, I'm done with working for half-hearted campaigners who can appeal only to the already-converted and who don't fight back when attacked.

[ArkDem]

69. ...................

bayh - 4
biden - 1
feingold - 7
clinton - 8
warner - 6
richardson - 7
vilsack - 2
gore - 4
edwards - 2
clark - 0

[I_am_Spartacus]

70. 10: Edwards; 8: Feingold, Kerry; 7: Clinton; 3: Richardson, Bayh;

1: Biden, Gore, Clark.

Need More Information (but unlikely to be higher than 6): Warner, Vilsack.

[nickinSTL]

71. hmm, as of right now...(subject to change without notice)

Senator Evan Bayh -5
Senator Joe Biden -5
Senator Russ Feingold -8
Senator Hillary Clinton -5
Senator John Kerry -7

Governor Mark Warner -6
Governor Bill Richardson -6
Governor Tom Vilsack -5

Former VP Al Gore -8
Former Senator John Edwards -7
General Wesley Clark -9

[Totally Committed]

72. As things stand now:

*Senator Evan Bayh -10

Senator Joe Biden 0

Senator Russ Feingold 5

*Senator Hillary Clinton -10

*Senator John Kerry -10

*Governor Mark Warner -10

Governor Bill Richardson 0

*Governor Tom Vilsack -10

Former VP Al Gore 7-1/2

Former Senator John Edwards 0 (if not still DLC), -10 (if still DLC)

General Wesley Clark 10

*Any and all DLC candidates are automatic minus ten (-10)

[WildEyedLiberal]

89. Minus ten... does that mean you'd vote Republican instead?

:eyes:

How about you learn to analyze candidates' records in depth, instead of throwing out "DLC DLC!!!1" as a cop out? For instance, there is a huge difference between the records of Kerry, Clinton, and Bayh, though they all rate an idiotic "MINUS TEN!!!!11" on your list. :eyes:

[Totally Committed]

102. No.

It means I stay home for the first time in my life. I live in MA, so no one will miss my vote.

I maintain my right to rate as I see fit, for whatever reason I see fit, and if I feel a DLC-er is an automatic -10, I do. Tough nuts!

:eyes: yourself.

TC

[WildEyedLiberal]

109. Excellent reasoning - you really convinced me

"It's my vote, and I can vote for WHOEVER I WANT! Or even NO ONE AT ALL! So nyah!" Wow, keep it up with that persuasive logic! Thanks for explaining to me, in detail, exactly what is so reprehensible about certain Democrats that you give them a NEGATIVE TEN!!! I'm sold!

:eyes:


BTW: Like my parents always told me: if you don't vote, you CAN'T BITCH.

[Totally Committed]

113. I'm not out to convince you of anything.

Where in either of my posts do I do anything but give my opinion?

In truth, I have had it up-to-here with the wimp-ass, do-nothing, go-along-to-get-along losers this Party sees fit to put up for POTUS every four years as of late. And, all the right to bitch my vote has gotten me (Yes, I held my nose last time and voted for Kerry) has done absolutely no good anyway, AND on top of it, you don't seem to think it has even given me the right to a gawds-honest opinion. My Party doesn't seem to give a rat's ass what I think. You, even though I did vote, don't think I'm entitled to even one little opinion. So, fuck it, then.

I haven't convinced you of anything, because I wasn't trying, but you have convinced me without even trying that I am right to just do what's right for me this time.

Hey, who knows. At my age, and in my health, this could all be a moot conversation anyway. So, save your strength, or go lecture someone else. It is lost on me. I don't respond well to santinomious or nasty. Never have, never will.

[WildEyedLiberal]

131. Actually, you said you'd stay home in 2008

If you do, you can't bitch. Sorry that offends you or whatever, but if you don't fight the fascists, you are helping the fascists. And if you think that even the DLC Democrats** would have invaded Iraq, fucked up the economy, or allowed the horrid response to Hurricane Katrina, then you're beyond deluded.

One more for the road: :eyes: Bye.


** who are, OMG, individual people, with different voting records. Kerry's is more liberal than Clinton's, whose is more liberal than Bayh's. Believe it or not, they're not magical evil robots controlled by Al From in the DLC Fortress of Doom.

And PS - Al Gore HELPED INVENT the DLC. Did your head explode yet?

[Totally Committed]

133. If I am still here in 2008, and I end up staying home,

you will not hear a peep out of me after that election.

I am totally anti-DLC. I admit that up front, and without any hesitation. What they espouse, for the largest part, are things I cannot support. I feel Corporatism at this time in our history -- while there is a larger and larger sector of our population who is catastrophically poor, and while we are still without universal Health Care, etc. -- is pure and utter folly, and requires a level of cynicism I am incapable of. The DLC is wrong... on a number of levels and about a lot of things, it is just plain wrong. I don't care who invented it, I only care who believes the trash it espouses. NO DLC candidate gets my vote.

My problems with Kerry only include the fact that he is DLC. And, yes, there is a portion of his voting record that is troubling to me: the part where, once he decided he was running for President, he stopped showing up for a lot of votes at all. Votes that we here in MA elected him to represent us in. And, when he did bother to vote, it was for shit things that would enhance his viability (or so he thought...) like the IWR (tell me that vote was not born from advice straight from the DLC handbook!) I am not going to let this paragraph devolve into an anti-Kerry diatribe. I respect far too many of his supporters here on this board for that. But, I will say, that DLC or not, Kerry is a no-go. This is only my opinion, and one to which I am entitled. Over the years I gave a lot of support and effort to his various campaigns, and am just someone who is disappointed in some of the decisions he has made. Unfortunately, and I'm sure this is true of a lot of people with one politician or another, those decisions make it impossible for him to get further support from me. Period. I voted against Bush in the last election. Since Kerry was the only alternative, he got my vote. That reason is no longer is an option for me. I will no longer enable the Democratic Party to keep running people who will only get my vote because they are running against the Republicans. That option died with my last presidential vote. Never again. They either run a candidate I can enthusiastically support and endorse, or I stay home. As someone who has never not voted in her life, it will not be a happy day.

Please try and see it from my point of view. No rolling eyes, no snarky comments. I would only ask that you understand how deeply felt this is for me.

[WildEyedLiberal]

152. I'm sorry you feel that way

Seriously, though, I would be curious to know what votes he has made that you disagree with so vehemently. First of all, what key votes did he miss that would have made a difference while he was campaigning? Traveling around the country obviously is going to keep him away from DC, and also, the IWR was in 2002, way before campaigning started. Kerry has, contrary to what various factions of DU say, strong liberal credentials. I may not agree with his IWR vote, but I understand it. It was not a "vote for war" in the sense that it authorized Bush to invade Iraq without pretense. BUSH avoided the pretenses. Yes, Kerry voted for NCLB, but Ted Kennedy wrote it, so it shows that even the best-intentioned Dems can get duped by Bush. He voted for NAFTA, unfortunately, but now seems to realize that free trade sucks, and so voted against CAFTA. Other than that, his liberal votes are there to see.

Seriously, and without snark, I am curious as to what makes him otherwise unacceptable. All things considered, he STILL has one of the top 15 liberal records in the Senate.

[bearfan454]

75. I would say 10 for having DIEBOLD defeated.

We aren't winning anything unless Diebold gets defeated. Look at 2004, 2002, and 2000 if you think I'm full of shit.

[quinnox]

76. Hillary Clinton would be at the top of the list

She would be my favorite.

Next would be Edwards. He still has a great potential even though he lost as VP.

Evan Bayh is one I'm still not sure of yet, need more exposure.
Likewise with Mark Warner.

Kerry I would be not as enthused, but would still like to see him get a win if he got a second chance (which I think is unlikely)



Feingold - no, couldn't get elected.
Biden - same as above
Vilsak - same
Richardson - same

Al Gore would be interesting but also very unlikely he will run again in my opinion.

Clark is a darkhorse.

[karynnj]

77. Subject to change

Senator Evan Bayh 5
Senator Joe Biden 3 - would vote for but not campaign for at all
Senator Russ Feingold 7
Senator Hillary Clinton 5
Senator John Kerry 10

Governor Mark Warner 4
Governor Bill Richardson 3
Governor Tom Vilsack 4, but know they little

Former VP Al Gore 6
Former Senator John Edwards 5
General Wesley Clark 6

Seeing that 0 is you won't vote for them presumably in the general election, there seem to be far too many 0. If it's Allen vs (any of this list), would you really not vote or vote for a third party?

[ieoeja]

79. Voting

1 - Senator Evan Bayh
1 - Senator Joe Biden
3 - Senator Russ Feingold
1 - Senator Hillary Clinton
2 - Senator John Kerry

4 - Governor Mark Warner
2 - Governor Bill Richardson
1 - Governor Tom Vilsack

2 - Former VP Al Gore
1 - Former Senator John Edwards
4 - General Wesley Clark

[faithfulcitizen]

83. wow, that's grim...so, who do you want?

[WildEyedLiberal]

92. Not a Democrat, evidentally n/t

[On the Road]

80. Here's My Shot:

 Senator Evan Bayh       3
Senator Joe Biden             4
Senator Russ Feingold         8
Senator Hillary Clinton       6
Senator John Kerry            7

Governor Mark Warner          8
Governor Bill Richardson      7
Governor Tom Vilsack          4

Former VP Al Gore            10
Former Senator John Edwards   8
General Wesley Clark          9

[nickshepDEM]

81. Hmmm... Maybe if I get time Ill go through and come up with an AVERAGE

for each candidate.

[mandyky]

82. All these except Feingold

get a 5 or below, but I have not really heard their ideas.

I have a few definite barely above a zero, but I am not saying who. I'll wait to see who actually decides to run.

[sadiesworld]

86. Feingold-10, Gore-5, Clark-5.

Zero, zip, nada for the remainder.

[ComerPerro]

87. Here goes:

Senator Evan Bayh - 6
Senator Joe Biden - 4
Senator Russ Feingold - 9
Senator Hillary Clinton - 4
Senator John Kerry - 6

Governor Mark Warner - 5
Governor Bill Richardson - 7
Governor Tom Vilsack - 7

Former VP Al Gore - 7
Former Senator John Edwards - 6
General Wesley Clark - 8

[goodhue]

88. Gore 8, Edwards 7, Feingold 6

The rest are below 5.

[FrenchieCat]

90. How hard would "I" work during the GE, based on which candidate, right

Senator Evan Bayh 3
Senator Joe Biden 1
Senator Russ Feingold 7
Senator Hillary Clinton 6
Senator John Kerry 6

Governor Mark Warner 6
Governor Bill Richardson 6
Governor Tom Vilsack 1

Former VP Al Gore 6
Former Senator John Edwards 4
General Wesley Clark 10

[WildEyedLiberal]

91. Kerry, Clark, Gore are my top three

The list as follows:

Bayh - 5
Biden - 3 (because he's a shrill opportunist)
Feingold - 7
Clinton - 5
Kerry - 10

Warner - 6
Richardson - 4 (because he stopped the recount in NM)
Vilsack - 5

Gore - 8
Edwards - 7
Clark - 8/9

Note that I really don't know a whole lot about Warner, Vilsack, or Richardson, or Bayh for that matter, so those rankings are pretty arbitrary.

[EndElectoral]

93. Breakdown below....

Senator Evan Bayh = 0
Senator Joe Biden = 0
Senator Russ Feingold = 0
Senator Hillary Clinton = -100
Senator John Kerry = 5

Governor Mark Warner = 0
Governor Bill Richardson = 0
Governor Tom Vilsack =0

Former VP Al Gore = 10
Former Senator John Edwards = 0
General Wesley Clark = 10

A few others:

Barbara Boxer = 10
Tom Harken = 5
Walter Cronkite=10

[WildEyedLiberal]

96. Minus 100?

What's Bush? -1000000000?

[VOX]

95. Gore 10, Edwards, 10, Clark 10.

All the others = 8.5 - 9.

**Anyone** but a fu*king Repuke!!!! :grr:

[WildEyedLiberal]

99. Now this is a post I can agree with

I complain about Biden and Clinton, but I know I'd campaign for them too. Not as enthusiastically as I would for some of the others, but I would want them elected all the same.

[KnowerOfLogic]

128. Edwards - no way; he supported the war. And ABB lost in 2004;

i really hope that "Anybody but the Republican" is not going to be the democratic strategy in 2008, but i fear that it will be.

[clydefrand]

100. Hilary's a 9. 5 for Warner/kerry, 0 for rest

[Catchawave]

101. As of today....

Senator Evan Bayh 5
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 6
Senator Hillary Clinton 5
Senator John Kerry 5

Governor Mark Warner 8
Governor Bill Richardson 5
Governor Tom Vilsack 5

Former VP Al Gore 5
Former Senator John Edwards 10
General Wesley Clark 2

[MrSlayer]

104. Ok, here's mine.

Senator Evan Bayh - 5 (lukewarm)
Senator Joe Biden - 0 (PNAC signer)
Senator Russ Feingold - 5 (Like the guy, can't win.)
Senator Hillary Clinton - 0 (No way in hell)
Senator John Kerry - 5 (Like the guy but not overly enthusiastic)

Governor Mark Warner - 7 (Gets on well with Pukes, Southern)
Governor Bill Richardson - 5 (Would vote for him, don't love him)
Governor Tom Vilsack - 5 (Too easy to make jokes)

Former VP Al Gore - 8 (I'd campaign for President Gore)
Former Senator John Edwards - 0 (Brings nothing to the table)
General Wesley Clark - 10 (My choice, would kill for him to get in)

[WildEyedLiberal]

111. Hahaha

I love your reasoning behind Vilsack. That particular aspect never occured to me... :P

[ElsewheresDaughter]

105. from that list.....

0 Senator Evan Bayh
0 Senator Joe Biden
5 Senator Russ Feingold
0 Senator Hillary Clinton
10 Senator John Kerry

0 Governor Mark Warner
0 Governor Bill Richardson
0 Governor Tom Vilsack

10 Former VP Al Gore
5 Former Senator John Edwards
5 General Wesley Clark

[AmericanDream]

106. Let's see....

Senator Evan Bayh - 5
Senator Joe Biden - 0
Senator Russ Feingold - 5
Senator Hillary Clinton - 5
Senator John Kerry - 5

Governor Mark Warner - 5
Governor Bill Richardson - 0
Governor Tom Vilsack - 5

Former VP Al Gore - 5
Former Senator John Edwards - 10!
General Wesley Clark - 0

[Kosmos Mariner]

107. Wes Clark!

Senator Evan Bayh - 3
Senator Joe Biden - 4
Senator Russ Feingold - 6
Senator Hillary Clinton - 3
Senator John Kerry - 7

Governor Mark Warner - 6
Governor Bill Richardson - 3
Governor Tom Vilsack - 3

Former VP Al Gore - 8
Former Senator John Edwards - 6
General Wesley Clark - 9

**Currently, the Democrats have no 10's at the national level. Wes could turn out to be a 10 though!** :patriot:


:dem:

[Walt Starr]

108. 8 or 9 on all counts

If I had the means, it'd be a 10 on all counts.

Any one of 'em'll do for me.

[bunny planet]

112. Gore, Edwards, Clark, and Kerry get 10's from me. I don't know enough

about Mark Warner or Evan Bayh yet to decide whether I'd give them a 5 or a 10. I'd probably give Feingold a 10 too. I'd like to give Biden a 0, but I'm pretty much a yellow dawg Dem so I suppose if he were the candidate I'd have to vote for him. Hillary gets a 5 (depending on her running mate though she might get a 10). Richardson was disappointing in his response during the election in November, his state was one of the fishy ones and he didn't want to even go there, so 5.

[Davis_X_Machina]

115. FWIW

Senator Evan Bayh 4
Senator Joe Biden 3
Senator Russ Feingold 6
Senator Hillary Clinton 6
Senator John Kerry 8

Governor Mark Warner 6
Governor Bill Richardson 7
Governor Tom Vilsack 4

Former VP Al Gore 9
Former Senator John Edwards 6
General Wesley Clark 6

[Springg]

116. I'd follow Clark anywhere!

I would give Gen. Clark = 10
Al Gore = 8
Feingold = 8

The rest would get a 5...
I would never..."not vote" - the future is too important not to try to change the parties.

[JohnLocke]

119. Mine

Senator Evan Bayh - 7
Senator Joe Biden - 7
Senator Russ Feingold - 10
Senator Hillary Clinton - 7
Senator John Kerry - 7

Governor Mark Warner - 9
Governor Bill Richardson - 9
Governor Tom Vilsack - 9

Former VP Al Gore - 10
Former Senator John Edwards - 10
General Wesley Clark - 10

[ms liberty]

120. OK here goes...

Al Gore: 15+

The only candidate I will be truly enthusiastic for - IMO he is our best candidate. I've said this before...Experience, intelligence, policies...this is his time.

Evan Bayh: 3
Joe Biden: 7
Russ Feingold: 7
Hillary Clinton: 4
John Kerry: 7
Mark Warner: 3
Bill Richardson: 5
Tom Vilsak: 5
John Edwards: 7
Wesley Clark: 5

I'll vote democrat in '08, there is no way I could vote anything else, and I wouldn't just "sit out" the election. But I have no real enthusiasm for anyone else. It's not that I dislike them, some of them I like quite a bit. But not for President. In the Senate, in the VP slot, somewhere in a Gore administration, yes, but not as President. Many of them are tainted with the I-voted-for-Iraq brush, and I think that matters. Some of them don't have enough experience. Some have other issues, for instance, Hillary. I like Hillary, although like some of the others she's a little too corporate for me. But I happen to think Hillary could not win in 08. She's been too demonized by the RWnuts, they would mobilize like nobody's business to beat her. It would be as or more divisive as everything we've gone thru since *, and the country can't take much more.

[Douglas Carpenter]

121. well - I don't find most of the listing very inspiring--but I do agree

that these are the most likely nominees.

10 - Would put your life on hold to make sure this man/woman is elected. Time and money, not an issue.

5 - Would vote for, but not campaign very enthusiastically for.

0 - Would not vote for.


Senator Evan Bayh 6
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 9
Senator Hillary Clinton 7
Senator John Kerry 8

Governor Mark Warner 6
Governor Bill Richardson 8
Governor Tom Vilsack 6
Former VP Al Gore 9
Former Senator John Edwards 9
General Wesley Clark 9

all things considered I really do (dispassionately) think that Al Gore would make the best candidate --- but time and circumstances could change things. If Russ Feingold campaign actually takes off-I suppose I could be easily convinced to jump on that band wagon

[Clark2008]

123. I'm going to do two lists

This one is MY ranking:

Senator Evan Bayh 4
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 7
Senator Hillary Clinton 1

Governor Mark Warner 5
Governor Bill Richardson 2
Governor Tom Vilsack 4

Former VP Al Gore 8
Former Senator John Edwards 3
General Wesley Clark 10

And this is the ranking regarding who I think could win a General Election:


Senator Evan Bayh 6
Senator Joe Biden 6
Senator Russ Feingold 4
Senator Hillary Clinton 1

Governor Mark Warner 7
Governor Bill Richardson 7
Governor Tom Vilsack 3

Former VP Al Gore 9
Former Senator John Edwards 8
General Wesley Clark 9

[FrenchieCat]

125. I know, I know.....

Why don't we just run "Bye" and "Will-sack" on the same ticket?

The opposition could chant "will sack bye, will sack bye, will sack bye!"

[AJH032]

129. 10 for everyone

:-)

[Douglas Carpenter]

132. why on earth would ANY DUer state that they would not even vote for

several prospective candidates on this list?

Now, I understand being less than enthusiastic about some of them.

And I do realize that some of them are DLCer types who I have no lasting love for.

But my GOD. Get a grip on REALITY.

THINK OF THE ALTERNATIVE.

It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

136. Amen. n/t

[globalvillage]

135. Every one of them gets a 9 from me. Except Kerry.

He's a 10.

I would put almost everything on hold to get a Dem in the WH. Any one of these would do.
On review, there might be a couple 8s in there. The last three are 9s, though. So is Feingold. Hillary is a 9 because she'd need the most support.

[gulliver]

137. Here are mine.

Senator Evan Bayh 3
Senator Joe Biden 3
Senator Russ Feingold 6
Senator Hillary Clinton 0
Senator John Kerry 3

Governor Mark Warner 3
Governor Bill Richardson 3
Governor Tom Vilsack 3

Former VP Al Gore 7
Former Senator John Edwards 7
General Wesley Clark 10

[skipos]

138. 10 Clark, most of the others that I know are pretty unelectable

[Admiral Loinpresser]

139. Senators don't win!

JFK is the exception that proves the rule. Sitting senators rarely get elected president. Does anybody know of any other in US history. I'm guessing there are some, but I don't know of any (was Lincoln a senator in 1860)?

Gore gets a 10 because of Iraq, Kyoto, making the Internet revolution happen sooner and better. Nobody else even comes close. The other listed candidates get a 5.

Dean won't run, but he would get an 8.

[nevergiveup]

141. Feingold and Clark a 10

Probably about an 8 on all the rest except for Clinton or Edwards. I would vote for them but both would get walloped in a presidential race. As a side note I would not be terribly enthusiastic about either Kerry or Gore. Been there, done that.....time to move on.

[leanin_green]

142. I'm not sure I'll vote until. . .

I see some kind of real reform in tabulation of votes. I hate to do something that deep down inside I feel is pointless. Vote in the current climate, I mean. Otherwise, Gore 9, Clark 8, Edwards 7, the rest, I'd vote Green instead or Independent.

[dolstein]

143. Since you asked . . .

Senator Evan Bayh -- 5
Senator Joe Biden -- 1
Senator Russ Feingold -- 1
Senator Hillary Clinton -- 3
Senator John Kerry -- 1

Governor Mark Warner -- 7
Governor Bill Richardson -- 3
Governor Tom Vilsack -- 5

Former VP Al Gore -- 1
Former Senator John Edwards -- 7
General Wesley Clark -- 7

[FightinNewDem]

144. Curious, isn't it?

The New Dems/moderates/"DLCers" responding to this question give higher marks to Warner and Bayh, but still express strong support for any Dem nominee.

The DWOTDP seems intent on finding excuses for not backing candidates, and on running down most of the field.

I'll remember this the next time Q and AntiCoup launch one of their periodic jihads...

[Douglas Carpenter]

151. I will certainly support the Democratic nominee -- no matter who it is--

but rest assured, if any progressive actually starts to move to the head of the pack; "new dems" and dlc types will be all over the mainstream media smearing them and declaring them and their supporters "far left" and unelectable and doing everything possible to make sure that they are portrayed as far left and unelectable.

That is what they do. Then they will ask for unity.

[expatriot]

145. 10,10,10,10,10,10,10, 10,10,10,10 nt

[Eugene]

146. Most Democrats 6, 7, or higher.

Higher if I know more about them.

Al Gore 7 or 8.

John Kerry 7 or 8. I supported him in 2004.
I would do it again.

Hillary Clinton 6.

[tomg]

148. Even though I tend to go off on

how the Democrats can't take my vote for granted, and I'll go Green unless they get their shit together, in all honesty, I would vote for a rock if it ran on the Democratic ticket and looked like it had an outside shot of beating the Republicans. Aside from that,

Senator Evan Bayh - 5
Senator Russ Feingold - 7
Senator Hillary Clinton - 6
Senator John Kerry - 7
the rock I mentioned - 5
Senator Joe Biden - 4 ( sorry Joe, the bankruptcy bill means you lose to the above named rock)
Governor Bill Richardson - 5
Governor Mark Warner - 5
Governor Tom Vilsack - 5
Former VP Al Gore - 8
Former Senator John Edwards - 7
General Wesley Clark - 8

All of my students say I am a gut grader. God I feel cheap.

[Acryliccalico]

149. Gore -10, Edwards- 10

:kick:

[windbreeze]

153. Here's mine

Look, Clark's my guy...so he gets a 10
Clinton/Kerry they'll get a....1
Gore, should have already been pres, yet for some reason isn't...3
Edwards, Feingold..3
Not impressed with Bayh, Biden, Vilsack, Richardson, Warner...2

But let's face it, until they do something about the voting machines...it's an uphill climb for any of them..and the two state lead off primaries...(which it looks as though they might correct)

I can't say I am happy with the quietness coming out of the Dem camp lately...they better get their shit together soon...or I'll go Independent...The only time I hear from any of them, other than Clark, is when they want money...I also would not want to see a circus like last time...9/10 candidates...with no one making any progress...or standing out from the rest...because there were too many for people to focus on one...

OH, and where's Conyers/Boxer?
windbreeze