Who really Believes Kerry can win?

[niceypoo]

Where was Kerry when the democrats were imitating the republicans? He was right there with them. Republicans are dancing with joy at the prospect of Kerry. Its Dean they fear. Dean will hold them to the flame on what they have done to the country including the war. Kerry voted with Bush on the war thus if he gets the nomination Bush is off the hook concerning Iraq. Rove knows this and will adjust strategy to take full advantage. If Kerry wins the nomination Iraq is will be shelved as an issue and Bush will be handed victory. God help us.

[MercutioATC]

1. I think he can win, but I don't think he's our best shot and I DON'T feel

he'll make substansive changes once he does win.

[George_Bonanza]

2. I believe

And those tired arguments are nothing new or enlightening.

[JohnKleeb]

4. gets annoying doesnt it eh

Kerry won tonight with a nice coalition of voters.

[Sean Reynolds]

5. Kerry didn't win on his ideas.

He won because voters believed he was the most 'electable' candidate. GO look at the polling, you'd see that most actually felt Dean was the better candidate for them, but they felt he couldn't beat Bush.

It's sad if you think about it.

[Egnever]

17. You are preaching to the choir there

John knows all about choosing someone else because people dont think thier first choice is electable. Not that I dissagree with your posy in any way I just find it ironic that John should be faced with these facts.

[George_Bonanza]

25. 50% of the people thought health care and economy was #1

And they voted in favour of Kerry over Dean. Doesn't health care and the economy involve ideas?

[krkaufman]

50. Kerry, "The Message Sponge"

> He won because voters believed he was the most
> 'electable' candidate.

Based on who the media told them was most electable. FOR GOD'S SAKE, he's on the cover of Newsweek this week, after barely beating Edwards in Iowa, for a miniscule delegate edge. The same Newsweek article shows 52% dissatisfied with Bush, and just 43% satisfied. The sheeple are running into the arms of the candidate newly-annointed by the media. Heck, Dean still has more committed delegates, post-NH.

Why isn't the story on Kerry "Forget the comeback, why did he drop last year?"


> "Kerry didn't win on his ideas."

Hard to do that when you're running on all the other candidate's proven issues. I liked the term a pundit used on Nightline to describe Kerry: "The Message Sponge"

[niceypoo]

7. They might not excite you but .....

you do not refute them. He also voted FOR the patriot act without reading it. It had "Patriot" in the name so he caved.

[JohnKleeb]

12. Very easy to support candiates who didnt have to vote on it eh

and when there is a guy who voted against it, hes unelectable. All the major candiates have endorsers who voted for the IWR or Patriot Act, including the non senatoral ones. How about you promote your candiate, you know the race is far from over.

[Sean Reynolds]

14. 9-11 changed Kerry.

If he were a true leader he would have stood up to President Bush. But no, he caved to poll numbers. He knew that he was going to run for president in 2004 and couldn't go too far to the left and support the cause because it'd burn him in the election.

Too bad it'll burn him in the general.

Kerry bitches about the war. All Bush has to do is look at him and say YOU VOTED FOR IT!

Kerry bitches about NCLB. All Bush has to do is look at him and say YOU VOTED FOR IT!

Kerry bitches about the Patriot Act. All Bush has to do is look at him and say YOU VOTED FOR IT!

[mb7588a]

31. All Kerry has to do,

is use his good ol' useful 3 word phrase, "He f'd up."

No matter who we elect, it's going to take a HUGE effort from everyone to get our guy, whoever that will be, inaugurated, ELECTED ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH... must be INAUGURATED. That is our job after we know the nominee.

[krkaufman]

38. Exactly. A rerun of the 2002 mid-terms

Bush wins. America loses.

[isbister]

10. tired

and incorrect

[ButterflyBlood]

3. I believe that a dead dog could beat that cokesniffing chimp

n/t

[Sean Reynolds]

6. What about a dead horse?

;-)

[ButterflyBlood]

8. even if it was a maggot infested half eaten corpse

n/t

[PretzelWarrior]

9. of course he can win. if you support Dean or Clark

then you should certainly support Kerry as a real shot at beating the Chimp. Settle down, people. You really are overreacting to not getting your way.

[Cheswick2.0]

48. If you support Dean or Clark

why would you support Kerry. He symbolizes everything that is wrong with the party.

[mmonk]

11. Yes

he can't go after bush on the war or foreign policy. It will be taken off the table in a general election if he gets the nomination. Instead of helping the dems as the dems think it will, I see just the opposite. The repubs will say to kerry if he says anything negative regarding the war as an issue, well you supported us through this thing. Are you saying you're against us protecting America with this war now? And he will say no. Then they will move to economic issues. Kerry better pray the economic numbers don't improve. It will become harder as the current business cycle continues.

[isbister]

13. I do

I also believe he has the pontential to be one of the best Presidents we have seen in a very, very long time.

[XanaDUer]

15. Me too

for the same reasons.

[woofless]

24. Count me in as well.

I am getting weary of those who would characterize a yes vote on IWR as "support for the war". It was not and Mr. Kerry has rather patiently explained that. W lied to all of us about his intention to secure a coalition and exhaust all avenues before committing us to war. John Kerry is NOT for the war in Iraq and you have NEVER heard him say that he is. He categorically states the he will never put our troops in harms way for Mideastern oil. He is a worthy candidate and hopefully all the folks who are one issue hotheads will get behind the nominee of OUR PARTY and throw the usurpers out of office. It does not matter what our personal preferences are at this juncture. We have only one job........Beat Bush-co with whomever we nominate.

[molly]

52. Me too!

:thumbsup:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

16. Kerry beats Bush in latest Newsweek poll

Kerry also leads the pack of Democratic contenders among registered voters as the candidate who would have a better chance of beating President George W. Bush if the election were held today. A Kerry-Bush match-up would have Kerry up by 49 percent to Bush's 46 percent. A Clark and Bush match-up would be a close race, with Bush at 48 percent and Clark at 47 percent. Bush would have an edge over Edwards (49% to 46%). Yet, with a plus or minus margin of error, these match-ups result in a statistical dead heat. And the President would beat Dean (50% to 45%) and Sen. Joe Lieberman (49% to 45%).
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040124/nysa010a_1.html

[IndianaGreen]

21. Mondale beat Reagan and Dukakis beat Poppy Bush in the polls

by double-digits at about this time during their campaigns. Mondale and Dukakis lost by landslides!

[Casablanca]

37. All four were _far_ more liked than GW Bush is now.

Not the same game by a long shot. Barring flagrant election fraud or martial law, Bush is already gone.

[krkaufman]

39. Got links?

(eom)

[IndianaGreen]

44. Go to the library!

I was there, and I remember, just like I remember the John Kerry that opposed the Vietnam War, and that John Kerry is not the same man that is running for President today.

[JasonDeter]

18. My coffee table can beat bush. So can Kerry. So can Dean. So can

Clark. I don't think the others can.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Kerry will be a major drag on the Indiana Democratic ticket

Our Democratic Governor Joe Kernan is currently leading Republican Mitch Daniels in the polls. Kerry is too much of an Eastern Establishment and gun grabber for Hoosiers. Kerry will be a major drag on the Indiana Democratic ticket and we may lose some state and local races we would have otherwise won had the Democrats nominated someone other than Kerry.

I will also add that I firmly believe Kerry will lose to Bush, and that the recriminations and the backbiting that will follow the election after Kerry's DLC-engineered nomination will permanently split the Democratic Party.

[JasonDeter]

41. Maybe so in Indiana but 49 percent of voters think

Kerry can beat bush* nationwide. It was 49/46 with a margin of error +-3%. Now there are those who like to think that means its a statistical tie but I think the real numbers would be 52/43 for Kerry. bush* is not the most hated man on the planet for nothing.

[IndianaGreen]

45. Save a clipping of that poll from the newspaper

When the returns come in on Election Day, you can read that poll again in order to learn how meaningless early polls are.

BTW, get ready to watch Barney cam for the next four years.

[POed_Ex_Repub]

20. People in Iowa and NH seem to think so...

Got to get your own party first as I recall.

[AnnitaR]

22. No shot in TN!

I know Kerry doesn't really care if he can win in the South...

It's a good thing because he won't have a chance in hell here in TN. Clark is the only one who could make it a close race for TN.

But no one gives a shit about us folks in the South, so who cares?

:grr:

[Leilani]

23. I heard tonight that Kerry

will write off the South. I think he knows he can't take any Southern states.

I believe we need to compete in the South; we can't write it off.

We have to make Repugs spend money & time in the South.

[sandnsea]

30. We're fighting TN right now

Have been for a couple of weeks. Just got another email today asking for more phone calling. Kerry isn't writing off the south by a long shot.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Kerry is writing off the South and he is losing the young voters

I believe it was in Crossfire that said that Kerry was going to bypass the South because he thinks he can win without it.

According to the following story, Bush is winning the young vote. We may be wrong about this election. All the pundits keep talking about another close race, but Bush can connect with people a lot easier than Kerry can and this could easily turn into a Bush landslide.

Bush's Secret Weapon: Young Voters

Though it’s not clear who they’ll vote for, most 18- to 29-year-olds say for now, they’re behind both the president and the war in Iraq

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Jonathan Darman
Newsweek

Updated: 12:42 p.m. ET Jan. 26, 2004Jan. 26 - Young voters are sharply divided on the economy, the Iraq war and overall approval of President George W. Bush’s job performance, according to an exclusive new NEWSWEEK poll conducted among young voters, the Newsweek Genext Poll. While the near-equal partisan divide among young voters mirrors the split between U.S. voters overall, the poll also suggests that on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, 18-29 year-olds are eager to move beyond the partisan battles of the past.

<snip>

Fifty-four percent of young voters say they approve of the president’s handling of economic issues (with 44 percent saying they disapprove) and 57 percent approve of his handling of foreign policy (42 percent disapprove). The approval ratings don’t necessarily translate into vote for Bush, however: 37 percent said they would definitely vote to reelect the president while 34% they would definitely vote to elect someone else.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4063502/

[murielm99]

26. Not true!

I think the repukes and the pundits have talked everyone into thinking the south is lost to the dems. It is not!

The south is suffering the same mess as the rest of us -- lost jobs, the deficit, the war, loss of civil rights through the Patriot Act, etc.

Whoever gets the nomination should continue to work hard in the south, and push the inclusiveness of this, how we are all in this mess together.

I am an undecided right now. I like Kerry and Clark both. I will get behind any nominee, 110%, as we all will, if we know what is good for us.

[oasis]

32. Dixie has a love affair with George W. Bush. He's abused Dixie folk

in favor of his rich corporate buddies, but they keep coming back for more.

BTW, Tennessee's Harold Ford was on board Kerry's campaign from the beginning. Spratt in South Carolina has a Democrat leadership role in the house. The south is a great place with good people and will not be ignored by the Democratic Party.

[Nay]

53. That's very true here in VA, Oasis. They keep coming back for more.

I have no idea what sort of devastation could befall Virginians that would make them turn away from the chimp. It boggles the mind.

[frank frankly]

27. Kerry would/will kick his fucking ass

and give us the 57% we need to get 51% after all of BushCo's rigging and despite the October Surprises.

[dawn]

28. I think he can win...

He's not my first choice, but he could do it. I think any of the top four could beat Bush.

[pacifictiger]

33. I don't think he can win on "electable image" alone

He'll get the vet vote for sure, but I worry about his liberal spending vote record. That will really hurt any hoped for cross over republican votes. And personally, I just don't feel inspired by him. Voting for him just because everyone else "thinks" hes electable goes againts my principles of voting my conscience. Of course, I would support him any day over bush, but at this stage, no. He will need the help a fiscal conservative on the campaign trail to help him win if he should become the nominee.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Kerry won't get the vet vote, the vet vote is not a monolith

and questions about Kerry's service record will surface.

[mb7588a]

29. For the last couple days,

I've been quoting a post I read here -

"George Bush would need Depends to debate John Kerry."

I wish I had bookmarked it, because that was fucking awesome.

For every one of Kerry's (few) faults, Bush has 18. Any dem can beat Bush, IT'S UP TO US GODDAMNIT. USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. WE CAN DO IT.

[yellowdawgdem]

34. Kerry will do fine

If Kerry is questioned about why he voted for the Iraq war, he can just state that he made the decision based on faulty information on wmd's etcetera. If he gets the nom, which isn't assured at this time, he will need to pick a vp who can pick up southern votes. that will make a beeg beeg difference imho.

[kaitykaity]

36. If he's the nominee, I'll support him.

This is my gut talking, why I never connected to Kerry to
start with, even though I leaned to him earnestly at the
very beginning. But I felt no passion for him. I felt no
passion in him.

Kerry is not a leader. He does not inspire. He was a pink
tutu Democrat who went along to get along.

I know that he is only speaking the way he is now is because
Howard Dean dragged him out to us kicking and screaming. If
the popularity of taking it to Bush ever changes, Kerry will
change with it.

[mvd]

40. I do

I think all of our candidates could win with the right team advising them.

[Piperay]

42. Clark has the best

chance of beating chimp but I think that Kerry has a darn good chance too. :-)

[shawmut]

43. I believe he can n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

47. I agree

sorry Kerryfans, I think the man is the least electable of the four (Dean, Kerry, Clark and Edwards).

[Lexingtonian]

49. That is like so 2003.

If you haven't caught on that this Dean campaign tauto-logic doesn't actually wash with the voters, you haven't been looking at the polls out of Iowa and New Hampshire closely.

Don't forget that people in Iowa and NH had months and months to look at all the fellows closely. And the ones who considered beating Bush the highest priority tended to pick Kerry over Dean. I suggest they considered a lot more information than one campaign's selfimportant rationalization for why black is actually white if you squint hard enough.

[Gore1FL]

51. Any of them can win

and your statements concerning Kerry are out-of-context.

[Walt Starr]

54. I honestly believe that should Kerry be the nominee

Bush will win in the biggest landslide in history.

[dansolo]

55. He will lose, and take down the Senate with him

Even if Kerry somehow manages to win, his lack of focus in the South will almost guarantee that we will probably lose every one of the open Senate seats being vacated by Democrats in the South. He will have no coattails because even if he manages to take advantage of the anti-Bush sentiment, he will have very little impact on the Senate races because he will not be able to inspire a greater voter turnout.