Has any candidate ever won both IA and NH without winning the nomination?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

I'm no historian, but I don't think so... does anyone know for sure?

[pnziii]

1. Yes

Muskie in 72
Also Gore was the only other one to win both and he lost the general election.

[MoonRiver]

13. Puke Woodruff said yesterday, in another of her snide Dem bashing

rants, that no candidate has won both Iowa and NH and gone on to win the general election. The implication being that winning is losing, lol! The fact is that winning both states is such a rare event, that the sample size supporting her hypothesis is ridiculously small and insignificant.

[cindyw]

14. Not true. Muskie lost Iowa to McGovern.

McGovern came came in 2nd to him in New Hampshire. Then went on to do well in other states.

[JaneQPublic]

15. Wrong. Muskie led McGovern in Iowa. Looky here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=215094#215340

[cindyw]

22. I stand corrected, but take note that his wins in Iowa and NH were

reported by the media as losses because he did not meet expectations. If Kerry had been leading all along and had just had these two wins. Things may be different. But he won them as the underdog. Makes a difference.

[Beetwasher]

19. Gore Did NOT Lose the General Election

Gore won the popular vote and if the SC didn't intervene and the votes were allowed to be counted properly, he would have one Fla. too.

[genius]

24. That's scare. The Repubs want Dean as much as they wanted McGovern.

Expect some dirty tricks.

By the way, Gore won Florida and the general election. Only the Bush supporters claim he lost the general election. Have I seen you post here before?

[deminflorida]

2. I suspect if not then this year....

New England folks should prepare to have your feelings hurt next week. America is not going to accept another New England candidate failure.

I really think that's where Dean had to win in order to get a boast as an Anti-Establishment guy...Kerry good God man is an establishment guy.

He won't play well in the Heartland, he'll be toast by Super-Tuesday.

[stinkeefresh]

5. I hope so.

I am still a fervent Dean supporter, but I'm slowly becoming ABKerry. I just think to nominate him would be to relive old mistakes. At least Dean is a NE guy of a different stripe. Kerry is exactly the same stripe.

[RobertSeattle]

3. Not sure, but whatever.

History never repeats itself. It only seems like it does to those who don't know the details.

Apparently from Edmund Morgan

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_12_07.html#002299

[Screaming Lord Byron]

4. Don't put too much weight on historical precedents.

After all, no 'President' before Bush had to be appointed by court. Kerry looks good, but it's only one caucus and one primary so far.

[TopesJunkie]

6. What's the point of this thread?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

7. To get an answer to my question. What is the point of your post?

The same? If so, you've got it.

[TopesJunkie]

20. I'm very serious --

What does the answer to your supposed question have to do with anything?

[bloom]

8. There was a commentator on CNN who said

that no one had won both Iowa & New Hampshire and had gone on to win the Presidency (in a contested race).

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. Well I know that's wrong. Carter did it and won against an incumbent.

[bloom]

23. I guess technically "Uncommitted" won Iowa

Uncommitted 37.2% Jimmy Carter 27.6%


compared with .1% Uncommitted this year.

[MoonRiver]

16. Judy Woodruff

See my reply #13

[trekbiker]

9. Kerry surprised me

I was not too enthused with Kerry until last night. His victory speech was ok but not too motivational and I found myself having a hard time paying attention. Then, right after the speech he was interviewed by CNN. That interview was something else entirely. the way he turned the term "Liberal" around was fantastic. His intelligence, poise and command of the interview had me out of my chair and 100% focused on his answers.

That's the Kerry that can appeal to the center moderates and independents that WILL BE the deciding factor in this race.

My heart is with Dean but I am now solidly in the Kerry camp

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. Kerry does not back down, accuse him of being a liberal, and

he doesn't run away, he explains why he's right.

[progressivebydesign]

17. I'm sorry.. if your heart is with Dean..why are you with Kerry?

Vote with your heart. Did you see Dean's speech last night? It is being reported as the best of the evening. My heart is with Dean, and it stays there until he wins or drops out. There is time for me to support the nominee.. when they win the nomination. I vote with my heart.. what other reason is there to vote? I don't try to guess who can beat Bush and adjust my vote accordingly. That'll all be sorted out later. No matter who we put up against Bush, they will be attacked mercilessly. I'm supporting the person that shares my vision for America, Howard Dean. If my heart was with Dean, but I supported another candidate.. that's like marrying for money, while loving a poor man.

[JaneQPublic]

12. Asked and answered several times before

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=215094#215340

[progressivebydesign]

18. IA and NH are given too much weight..

The primary schedule needs help. It is wrong that the media is leading us to decide our candidate based on two state's voting. We are being pushed into narrowing our field too quickly. Why should IA and NH have any more say in who those in the later primary states should get to vote for. The system is wrong. Every candidate should have had a fair shot at all states. Our entire system is so fucked up.. the cost of running campaign has resulted in many fine people unable to compete for the long haul, or at all.

It doesn't matter who wins or loses Iowa and New Hampshire.. theoretically, what does matter is that candidates are forced out of the race based on the results of two early votes. It's wrong.

[ButterflyBlood]

21. yes

Muskie in '72. However another lie is no one has won both and won the general, even if you don't count Gore, Carter won both in '76.