Does anyone give a damn about Kerry's shady "connections"?...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm


Published on Thursday, January 22, 2004 by Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now!
Skull & Bones: The Secret Society That Unites John Kerry and President Bush

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A little-known fact unites Democratic frontrunner John Kerry and President Bush: they are both members of Yale's secret society Skull and Bones. We speak with the author of "Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power" that reveals details about the secret society and its members.

The New Hampshire primary is just a few days away and Howard Dean's status as the frontrunner has almost totally dissipated. The latest Boston Herald poll now shows that John Kerry holds a 10 point lead - a major surge for the Massachusetts Senator. Still reeling from his victory in Iowa, Kerry is starting to act like the frontrunner, shifting his focus from comparing himself to the other Democrats to putting his record up against President George W. Bush, saying he is the only candidate who can beat Bush and who represents a real difference from the current occupant of the White House.

[KC21304]

1. Little Known ? Not around here. LOL

[agingdem]

2. Obviously...

you give a damn or you wouldn't have brought it up.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

7. Duh! OK I'll play along

Anyone other than me. I think these are legitimate concerns.

[info being]

3. I'd like some thoughtful analysis

- Did his Skull and Bones membership come before or after his time in Vietnam? It seems odd that someone so privaledged would go off to war.

- I'd like some analysis...or for somebody to ask him at some point, "When was it that you because a Progressive? What in your life affected you and why is it that you feel the need to stand up for the little guy when you come from such a privaledged background?

[molly]

23. S&B is a Yale fraternity - he entered the service as an officer

which means he was a college graduate.

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[RobinA]

5. I, For One,

do not give a damn. Your mileage may vary.

[gauguin57]

6. as i've said

in one of the other four million threads about Bonesman Kerry ...


I was in Skull & Bones (not at Yale -- so it was more of a drinking club for student leaders than a secret society). When you're a kid in college, and thinking about your resume, and getting a job after college, and getting involved in whatever you can to broaden your experience and networking and all that, sometimes you get involved in groups you might not get involved in if you could go back with a 50-year-old's perspective. And if you're a kid of privilege, going to Yale, and someone taps you for the creme-de-la-creme group on campus with all the other kids of privilege ... well, maybe a 20-year-old doesn't want to turn that down. So, you're gonna sue him for that in 2004? After he put his ass so firmly on the line in Vietnam while some of those other Bonesmen were drinking margaritas and avoiding national guard service?

I'm sure it helped him to get better connected toward fulfilling his ambitions (Senate, lt. governor, etc.). OK. So we start from there ... so he got into the Senate, and now he's the guy in the race with the most foreign AND domestic policy experience. It all LED to something substantial for him; he's made a contribution. Unlike our pitiful excuse for a pResident.

Who says Kerry embraces the "Skull & Bones" agenda? Sure, what we've heard about the Yale brand of S&B is appalling. But who says just cuz he was a member in college (or even has kept in touch with his fellow bonesmen) that he's a part of the Bush faction of all that? Being a sometimes-liberal-sometimes-moderate Democrat, I'm sure he rejects a lot of what he might hear at The Tomb from the Rethugs.

I'm not into elitism -- believe me. My Skull & Bones beanie packed away in storage notwithstanding. We can all find something negative about every one of these Demo candidates. But complete idealism about these guys is a luxury the Democratic party can't afford this year. It's gotta be electability. Because we must have Bush outta there. Abe Lincoln is dead and buried ... presidential candidates are just not born in log cabins anymore.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

10. I understand but this is no mere fraternity or organization.

Also if he just voted as recently as a few years back to allow women in. Doesn't that mean he's still involved? He's spoken out against the war in Vietnam. I still haven't heard him renounce or distance himself from these people. It just makes the whole thing seem like a fixed game or a Don King fight or something.

[Algorem]

11. Skull&Bones is a Yale-only thing.

Numbskulls & Boneheads?

[elsiesummers]

8. I don't. It's his life of priviledge

I have a problem with.

To compete against Bush we need a candidate who at least has a clue what it's like not to be rich, not to have the money for an Ivy League education.

That is not John Kerry.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

12. OK, that too.....

[capriccio]

13. Too bad

You weren't around to put a stop to the careers of FDR and JFK.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. Good point,

but I knew FDR and JFK and Kerry is no....Wait a minute I wasn't even born yet it must be that damn acid acting up again, sorry.

[molly]

25. I think Dean was far more privledged

but, why does it matter? Kerry has spent over 30 years fighting for us, our ideals, and our country.

[The Magistrate]

9. You Will Find, Mr. Bin Laden

About a half-dozen fellows around here who view this as a matter for concern. They will be glad of the reinforcement: it is a lonely row they hoe....

[Monte Carlo]

14. More than the out-in-the-open Military-Industrial Complex? Not really.

The revolving door between the Pentagon and defense contractors like Halliburton, Bechtel, Boeing, and others scares me a LOT more. I personally think that all the best conspiracies are hidden in the best possible spot - right underneath everyone's noses.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

17. But aren't these guys the poster boys for the M-I Complex?

[redqueen]

20. Subject to debate

But one thing is certain: failure to unite against the squatter in the oval office come November could well be the last mistake you ever make at the ballot box. We're in real danger of losing our right to participate at all in our governance.

[Monte Carlo]

28. Ehh....

Maybe, maybe not. It's just that I don't think there's anything about Skull n' Bones that would make it any more nefarious than any other conspiracy theory.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

32. I get what you're saying.

But if you look at the paople that have been a part of it. It's a who's who of criminals,CIA spooks and war profiteers. I think that puts it a bit above the whole Free Mason/Illuminati reptile alien thing.

[Indiana Democrat]

16. I'll tell you what I don't give a damn about...

Conspiracy Nutters.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. That's OK I don't care for coincidence suckers myself ,

so I guess we're even....

[bigtree]

19. Does anyone care about the shady connections of his S&B accusers?

The authors of this smear huddle at http://www.fleshingoutskullandbones.com / :

Antony C. Sutton, editor of a monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/newstart/bohemian-grove /

“Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male).

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch) - a funeral pyre with “corpses”. (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)

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CHARLOTTE ISERBYT served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she
blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculums in America’s classrooms.

Iserbyt is a former school board director in Camden, Maine and was co-founder and research analyst of Guardians of Education (Organization taking a no-nonsense, Judeo Christian approach to the education of Maine's young people.)

Iserbyt is a speaker and writer, best known for her 1985 booklet Back to Basics Reform or OBE: Skinnerian International Curriculum and her 1989 pamphlet Soviets in the Classroom: America’s Latest Education Fad which covered the details of the U.S.-Soviet and Carnegie-Soviet Education Agreements

She is a freelance writer and has had articles published in Human Events, and The Washington Times.

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ANTON CHAITKIN is a founding member of the political movement associated with Lyndon LaRouche.

The OMEGA File
POPULATION CONTROL, NAZIS, AND THE U.N.! -- by Anton Chaitkin
ROCKFELLER AND MASS MURDER

"The ROCKEFELLER Foundation is the PRIME SPONSOR of public relations for the UNITED NATION'S drastic depopulation program, which the world is invited to accept at the UN's scheduled September conference in Cairo, Egypt. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its CORPORATE, MEDICAL, and POLITICAL associates organized the racial MASS MURDER program of NAZI GERMANY.

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CARL OGLESBY - During Thanksgiving weekend 1965, toward the end of one of the first major rallies against the Vietnam War, a student activist named Carl Oglesby addressed the Washington crowd. He did not simply criticize U.S. support of South Vietnam's military regime, but hailed its communist foes for mounting "as honest a revolution as you can find anywhere in history."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-03-04-freedman_x....

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Toby Rogers wrote about how the Bush Family Wealth is Linked to the Jewish Holocaust.

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Webster Tarpley learned at the knee of ; has been a disciple and employee of Lyndon LaRouche for at least twenty five years.

[The Magistrate]

30. Worth Noting, Mr. Tree

Such swill can hardly arise from a wholesome bunch, but rather one with an oder similar to their emanations....

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

21. For all the Kerry supporters here.

Save your breath I'm not out to shit on anyone's candidate. But I had the exact same concerns about Poppy and Baby Bushes. It would be hypocritical not to be concerned about Kerry's involvement with these people. It's not about conspiracies but about allegiance and honesty. When he wins and I'm pretty sure he will I hope us "crazies" are proven wrong.

[sangh0]

24. Yeah, right!

We believe ya!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

27. You don't?

Oh my god how utterly devastating.......

[Monte Carlo]

26. I don't think you're out to get anyone.

I think you're asking a fair question about a definite concern. I've had my concerns about Skull 'n' Bones, but without something substantial, some info to act upon, I think it is useless to pursue it at length, even if there really is a big conspiracy. The M-I complex, on the other hand, seems to me to be just as sinister as the worst stories about Skull n' Bones, and is right out in the open for everyone to see, so I'd worry about that first.

[MilDem]

22. No

Being a member of S&B does not outweigh Kerry's record as a public servant. While I think S&B is a profoundly stupid organization, it does not even come close to making my decisions about who to vote for in the primary.

I am not a Kerry supporter, but I don't buy the S&B conspiracy theories that are floating around.

[lyonn]

29. Where is the family money hidden

We are told Kerry is of priviledge, where did the family money come from? That could make a difference. Like Deans appears to be from Wall Street. Doesn't tell you much but nothing is said of Kerry's family background.

[genius]

31. I'm more concerned about Dean's Halliburton connections.

Lots of kids join fraternities and sororities in college. Most are out for fun and don't know what they are doing.