See you in 2008!

[PatrickS]

Being Canadian, I don't really care that much for US politics. The thing I'd like to see though is Dumbya out of office, which is what brought me here to DU in the first place. But now that Kerry seems to be the Democrats' choice, it seems more and more that Dumbya will have another 4 years! Kerry is a terrible choice. I just can't imagine having the same choice here in Canada. Like having to vote between Brian Mulroney and Brian Mulroney-lite. It's doomed from the start!

I'll keep posting in Late Breaking News and General Discussion forums but I'm done here. Anyway, good luck and see you in 2008!

[molly]

1. Patrick - you didn't say who your choice would have been?

and why you are so anti-Kerry. Care to share?

[sleipnir]

3. Clark is the perfect response to Kerry.

[PatrickS]

9. Picture this...

A Bush commercial. Narrator says:

"John Kerry voted with Bush on (add long list of things Kerry voted with Bush on)." Then it ends with "Thank you, John Kerry. And do like John Kerry, vote for Bush"

Bamm! Totally emasculated. The End!

[molly]

12. Patrick - have you read anything about John Kerry

and his fights (yes - plural) for this country? You should and you will be enlightened.

[sweetheart]

18. maybe he is enlightened

and he sees that JK will lose in November. Maybe he sees that by destroying the United States from within, bush is doing what no external enemy could have done for 100 years. Maybe then he sees the subsequent breakup of western interests in to a feudal dark age with america plunging the world in to chaos as it erupts in to violent self destruction in the coming time.

Then maybe he'll check back in and laugh at the banal stupidity that allows such things to happen.

It is not his battle, why should he invest any more energy in a loss?

He has a point.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

28. Check out his record sometime.

Instead of just basing your post on, well... nothing much.

[PatrickS]

30. I know Kerry voted for the war

That's all I need to know.

[Monte Carlo]

33. That is all you know.

Someone less pessimistic about Kerry as a candidate and his support from the voters might say he has a shot.

Kerry gets a lot of undeserved crap here. He's not perfect, but if you looked a little closer, you might see someone who has been a good Democrat for 30 years.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

36. Exactly

John Kerry has done a great service to the democratic party during his time in office. It is a shame some do not care about anything else he has done.

[molly]

35. Patrick - if you think he voted FOR THE WAR

someone has led you down a dark and narrow path.

[fishnfla]

2. In 2008 we'll be voting for the stupidest posts ever

I'll bookmark this one.

[Dark Star]

4. There has been 1 caucus and 1 primary.

Please don't be so precipitous!

[mlawson]

24. It's just a deja vu thing, Dark Star.

All day long I have been thinking it's 1984 (or maybe 1988) again.

I remember, once Mondale took off, Gary Hart was doomed (and so were our chances of beating Ronnie). We COULD have a miracle yet (Edwards or Clark), but I fear the Dem establishment has their guy, now.

[edzontar]

5. Yeah--Kerry seems to have sealed our doom....

Least likely to beat Bush, IMHO.

And I used to be quite hopeful.

[lcordero]

8. least likely next to Lieberman

[stickdog]

6. I was watching TV with a guy who doesn't know boo from politics last night

Kerry came on. He said, "I hate that guy."

I said, "What about Bush?"

He said, "Bush sucks. Bush is going down."

I said, "Well, that's the guy the Democrats want to run against Bush."

Then he just laughed and said, "That's why I don't pay any attention to this stuff."

[PatrickS]

21. LOL!

:evilgrin:

[mlawson]

25. Bingo, stickdog! There are millions of voters just like him!

How do we get to them??? By nominating a personable, *attractive* (yes, it matters), *optimistic* candidate who can conect with people like your friend. After all, they are the ones who will decide the election, not idealogues like most of us.

[Leilani]

27. My son called last nite from San Diego

He said no one he knows of would vote for Kerry.
I put up a good argument for Kerry, but he laughed at me. He said, "Just another Massachusetts Liberal." And he doesn't like Bush, but he lived in N.Carolina for 4 yrs. He said Kerry will not take 1 Southern state.

[molly]

37. I disagree

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Kerry's not gong to be the nominee.

Hang around for one more week. You will find out who the American people for president and it won't be Kerry.

[FreeperSlayer]

10. NBD is alive and well!

ABB

[AntiCoup2K4]

26. NBD? Nah... but ABK is pretty close.

Out of the 4 candidates realistically still in this (no offense to Kucinich supporters), Kerry is the only one I will NOT vote for.

Dean is the best candidate and my preference. Clark and Edwards I have some differences with, but could support if one of them were nominated.

Kerry has gone too far, too many times, and I will not vote for him, period. So call me ABK :)

[lancdem]

11. Kerry at his worst is a thousand times better than Bush

None of the top four, Kerry, Dean, Clark and Edwards, are Repug-lite. The one who could logically be called that, Joe Lieberman, ended up an embarrassing fifth.

[PatrickS]

22. What a rousing endorsement!

:eyes:

[poskonig]

13. Kerry is more liberal than Dean, Edwards, and Clark.

Anyone to the right of Kucinich and Sharpton are Bushlite? Come'on!

[Zynx]

14. That's the problem.

I'm not that liberal and neither are most Americans. That is why Kerry is not a good choice.

[poskonig]

16. The lead post implied Kerry is Bushlite.

So does Howard Dean. Who is right?

:7

[quaker bill]

34. Not exactly

Kerry was pro-Iraq war before Bush* even started to run for president.

Kerry voted for and has spoken in support of Ballistic Missle Defense (Star Wars).

The list republican ideas that have gotten his support goes on and on.

He has a good record on the environment, but that alone does not make one a liberal.

Sorry, I am a liberal. Kerry doesn't pass muster.

On the other hand, he has waffled enough around the margins to give Shrub some great talking points. Like an ammendment to cut funds to CIA that would have impacted anti-terrorism work (had it passed). Votes to cut funds and delay weapons programs. Specifically attempts to cut funds for weapons that are now being used to great (military) effect in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So, I don't think Kerry passes muster as a hawkish type either.

Sorry, having spent a fair amount of time reviewing his record in the Senate, the only uncompromised upside I see is his record on the environment. While, as an Environmental Scientist, personally, I would just love the election to be about those issues, it won't be.

That is the dilemma as I see it.

[mitchum]

15. Uh...stay warm

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. See you in Canada

Because that's where I'll be before I'll live under another 4 years of Skull n Bones and PNAC. Regardless of which party it pretends to be.

[Edge]

19. Hey...this is far from over, my friend.

We still have about 48 states left to go. Just because Kerry won two states doesn't mean he'll win them all.

[MidwestMomma]

31. But the problem is you have the talking heads on TV

Stating that based on Kerry's wins in IA and NH that Kerry is obviously the people's choice and the rest of the candidates are just wasting their time and money. (I heard this message over and over again last night.)

And this is after only 2 states have voted! Let's see, what message does that send America?

The message that the rest of the candidates are not only LOSERS with no chance but STUPID losers. Cause they don't even realize they're losers! This then feeds into the perception that Kerry is a better candidate than the rest...which is just a perception at this point. In reality, he may be the best candidate or the worst but the way the media has declared the contest over, we might not ever know.

That all being said. Am I giving up on Clark? Hell no. It just makes changing the public's perception of him harder. But in the end, I hope his message and strong leadership qualities win out over the talking heads continued assertion that he is a Stupid Loser and people will decide he is the better candidate.

[MasonJar]

20. I disagree; Kerry is not Bush-lite.

Kerry has a record of service to the people, both in war and in the Senate. He is a strong environmentalist, which is the opposite of Bozo. He has a 100% rating with the NAACP; can you imagine GWB having 10%. He is the opposite of Bush and a very fine man. Bush is a user, and he is dumb. I will never respect Yale and Harvard again as much as I used to now that I know they gave Shrub a degree. I wonder how much that cost the family.

[sandnsea]

23. No, he's a Massachusetts liberal

No, he's Bush-lite.

We need a WWF knockdown to figure out which one he is. :eyes:

[Polemonium]

29. The DLC et al. has failed to understand this for 4 years

Kerry the guy who voted for the worst * had to offer.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

32. bye

[molly]

38. Well, I would say that if I didn't think these people had been

lied to.

[shivaji]

39. There is a lot of mis-conception about why people vote a certain

person. And it is NOT how slick they are. A smooth talker
could get hired as a car salesman but not necessarily
president. IMO Gore was a better debater than Bush, but
that did not help him enough. Lewinsky scandal hurt Gore
more than anything else. Voters wanted a change.

In presidential politics trust is a big factor. So is the
candidate's ideas and proposals. So is the state of
economy preceeding the election. Kerry is definitely not
lacking in trust or policy. The state of economy no one
can control, not even Greenspan.

Even though my personal choice is Dean, I have no problem
with Kerry of he wins it.