ABC News is about to come clean (I have a Scream)

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after a week of basicly lying to our faces, like everyone else they are finally going to play the audio correctly. Thanks for small favors Pete.

[progressivebydesign]

1. Hey.. I'll take whatever small favors they offer!!

I'm grateful they're doing this. I would have appreciated it if ABC News did not spearhead the infamous exit/push poll question about Dean's temperment in New Hampshire, which was used against him by Ron Fournier of AP last night. Oddly enuff, the only quote Fournier used about Dean was a woman who said, "Dean is too rude!". How would we have heard that little comment without ABC News' little gem of an exit poll with their media components?

[rucky]

2. mission accomplished - time to raise the curtain

anybody else get the feeling that the media is flagrantly showing off their power to distort & affect elections?

[girl gone mad]

6. That, and now that the..

Scream backfired on them by making himlook more human and making them look like the vultures they are, they have to do damage control.

[maggrwaggr]

53. "We destroyed him and here's how!"

That's exactly right.

[cthrumatrix]

3. I just watched it....media assasination....period

[Wonk]

4. Excellent. Thanks for the heads up. It sounds WAY different from the

other mics in the room compared to the filtered mic audio that was broadcast over and over and over.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

49. True. As an audio engineer, I can confirm that Dean's mike feed was taken

of context. And audience context is critical to determining whether what is put into the microphone is reasonable or ridiculous.

If Dean had whooped at a silent funeral, that would have been bizarre. But he was in a room filled with many hundreds of screaming supporters. The p.a. system he was using would have been drowned out by the screaming fans and his words and whooping would have just barely been audible. That is, only by shouting would he have been audible over his supporters.

I know. I've mixed audio for rock'n'roll groups with 10,000 screaming fans. You can't even hear the p.a. system over the sound of humans screaming all around you.

If he was using a microphone with a tight pickup pattern, that is,if it only 'heard' what was directly in front of it, then the mike would've only picked up what it was pointed at-Dean's mouth. Not the environment he was struggling to be heard in.

Contrast W's behaviour on the night he announced the official invasion of Iraq back in March. The people in the UK saw something that Americans did not.

The BBC opened up his live TV feed a couple of minutes 'too early' and caught him pumping his fist like a frat boy at a basketball game and ejaculating "FEELS GOOD!"

This is the video clip that the Dems and moveon.org should be playing over and over and over followed by clips of our soldier's funerals, Iraqi citizens dying, unemployment lines, emergency room full of families trying to get basic healthcare etc.

Additionally: There is a difference between acting for the stage (broader gestures) and acting for the movie camera close-ups (small subtle gestures.) Dean was acting broadly for the theater he was in and it was shown as a movie on living room TV's. That combined with the acoustic information above explains the context conflict.

Just last night, the difference between Kerry's and Dean's post result speeches was huge. Kerry used rhetorical language for the general election that sounded like he was reading a printed document but one that might appeal to cross-over and undecided voters. Kerry's four terms as a senator has him instinctively mindful of how he comes off in a TV close-up. Some people have criticized him for being 'too wooden,' as was Gore, as a result. Some call that demeanor 'presidential.'

Dean spoke from memory in a 'regular guy' fashion way that would appeal to a core Democratic voter. That's who he needs to stay in the game at all. And Dean used the technique of speaking more and more quietly to get his supporters to listen. That's new and a direct result of getting trashed after Iowa.

Dean has learned that he must accommodate both the theater and the movie version of his campaign. He's learned to act as though he is on TV because that is what is being described by the media as 'presidential.

[sandnsea]

5. Dean lost BEFORE the speech

Is anybody not getting this? He lost before that ever happened. And I have a feeling he got a whole lot more pity votes than people have been willing to even talk about.

[cthrumatrix]

10. it affected the poll numbers...they took 100 polls after the screech on

purpose...they were wrong to take things out of context and use it to paint him as "evil..out of control"

[dsc]

12. He lost nearly 15 points in New Hampshire in one night

look at the polls and then post.

[sandnsea]

21. Iowa, 37 - 18

Does it occur to you that people in NH were just worried whether Kerry would appeal to midwesterners? When they figured out he would, they went ahead and supported the guy they would have preferred all along?? Dean had been sliding long before that stupid speech. Mostly because every time he screws up and somebody points it out, he cries. Just like he's doing about his own out-of-control speech.

[dsc]

26. Sure

the unremitting negative coverage had nothing to do with it. If the stakes weren't so high I would be laughing my head off when Kerry gets his as I know he will. It was out and out assisination and sadly I will actually be consistent about it. Too bad so many on your side can't.

[sandnsea]

30. He has been for 6 months

We've been down this road, the lies, distortions, the ghoul, aloof, the bad campaign, the bad candidate, the elitist, the ketchup lady. We've been through it all and it never stops. Your candidate got the scrutiny any frontrunner should get and all you guys could do is cry. We know we'll have to fight, that's the difference and always has been.

Quit crying in your teacups, get over it, get up and fight. When you're ready, the Kerry campaign will be here.

[dsc]

36. Oh please

Go ahead and find the mainstream accounts calling Kerry supporters storm troopers (NYT).

Go aheand and find Broder laughing at the idea of Kerry supporters getting beaten up. (MTP)

Go ahead and find Brownstein calling Kerry supporters basement dwellers who are slobs (MTP)

Go ahead and find the video of Kerry blowing up on the press bus when he couldn't find his shoes.

[joshcryer]

39. Kerry has name recognition.

Fact.

[sandnsea]

41. Quit crying in your teacups

Did you not just read my post? We've already got botox, makeup, who knows what on Drudge or wherever. Kerry was ridiculed over the hockey game on Sunday. The fact that he plays hockey every year wasn't reported. Teresa has been called "vacant". That's in the last few days. There has been NO unfair picking on Dean. This is what turns people off to his campaign. The constant whining. Well, that and the gaffes that HE makes that cause people to point their finger at him in the first place.

[Skip Intro]

43. That's a Kerry line, isn't it?

That "quit crying in your teacups?" I believe he said that about the 2000 election, right?

Very endearing.

[sandnsea]

54. And get up and fight

That's the part people haven't quite digested.

[dsc]

46. whatever

If you think the press has been honest here then Oh well. BTW the latest thing they did was misround Dean's total in New Hampshire. Dean's 26.51% rounded to 26% while Clarks 12.50% rounded to 13%. Care to offer an explanation of that.

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55. kick

[joshcryer]

23. Kerry only got 4 more delegates than him.

Hardly a huge win.

[bearfartinthewoods]

47. ya know, there is bias and then there is monkey business.........

[girl gone mad]

13. Dean has been getting that kind of treatment..

for months now. The way the scream was handled was just another example of the medias relentless attacks, only this time they went too far and people noticed.

Your guy has been able to fly under the radar. Dean wears his heart on his rolled up sleeve. Maybe Kerry is just dull enough that he won't ever have to face media criticism.

[Indiana Democrat]

15. Shhhhh....

....You'll shock them out of denial.

Please, follow the heard and don't make waves.

Thank you.

[dsc]

18. read my post while on the subject of denial

[Indiana Democrat]

24. OK, he fell 15 points in N.H.

Now...Please explain his monumental nose-dive in Iowa BEFORE the scream.


And by the way...

Dean is the favorite son of pukes everywhere...They were licking their chops thinking of a Bush-Dean match-up...I don't think that's deniable.

So...

Why did the puke media take him down?

You can't have it both ways...

[PVnRT]

52. You of course

can prove that the Republicans were "licking their chops" over Dean-Bush, right? Was there a memo out amongst Republican strategists that this is what they wanted?

Before the voting in Iowa, the media was fixated on Dean, and asking everyone "Who can beat Dean?" The focus was on who can beat Dean, not who would win Iowa. That played into it. But feel free to ignore that and go on living in whatever spin-world you like.

[NWHarkness]

16. I don't think it's relevant if he won or lost

The sort of media assassination that was attempted on Dean was wrong under any circumstances, and I would hope all Democrats could agree with that, no matter who they support.

[Ripley]

17. Hee hee, ho ho, hee hee, ah, ahem.

He came in third. He did not lose. Pity votes...let's look at the Senator's bleeting shall we? "Only I was in Vietnam..I deserve it."

That is pitiful.

[stickdog]

25. Yes, of course.

:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

33. Right, 700 replays and accompanying ridicule had no effect

and if it did, it was a positive effect

alllriiigtheeethen

[cthrumatrix]

7. they knew it was a cordless mic...other people on DU said the noise

was not the way it was portrayed...they were in Iowa.

Dean got screwed...by the establishment "hit media"

[WheresWaldo]

8. Dean vindicated

better late than never. I'm curious, have other networks done a similar piece???

[FlashHarry]

9. A rare Mea Culpa from one of the Big Three.

Actually, it was pretty decent. Noticed the little snipe at NBC, too. Nice.

[Skip Intro]

11. Slimy bastards

Oh, they just "noticed" his hand held mic, and thought they should play the tape with the crowd noises included.

You could not even HEAR the damn scream.

Now, after he's been wounded by all this, they tell the whole story.

And there are still those who think the media has been more than fair to Dean.

Guess the lightbulbs might go on someday.

The media attacked Dean, and tried to destroy him. That he came in second in NH is a testament to his campaign, his supporters, and those able to see through the blatant media attack on him.

That little report that just aired should make you fume no matter who you're supporting.

[NWHarkness]

22. Sawyer didn't just "notice it"

Pat Buchanan's little protege knew about the hand held mic after thousands of people wrote to the media about it, and the Columbia Journalism Review clobbered them on the issue.

[Individualist]

32. The report did make me fume

The media deliberately set out to destroy Dean, and their "oh well, we misinterpreted it" is too little too late. They even acknowledged tonight that it was a pep rally, a fact they were aware of when they were showing the scream ad nauseum. :grr:

[bicentennial_baby]

14. So why did they wait until after NH to do that?

motherfuckers...

[killbotfactory]

19. Thanks for nothing, liberal media

The damage has been done.

[49jim]

I watched Peter Jennings piece on ABC

and the "Dean Scream" was almost inaudible in the room.ABC polled the other stations and they all said they had overplayed it...Faux said they also overplayed it and it kept Dean around for another week!

[Justice]

20. As A Clark Supporter, I Agree

It is pretty bad that ABC is only airing this tonight. Airing two or more nights ago could have made an enormous difference.

I also hope that ABC stops referring to the "scream" in joking banter.

[ant]

27. what is this about?

First time I hear of it. From what I googled it seems the scream was "heightened" by being played without crowd microphones? Any links or anything?

Thanks.

[Anwen]

28. A little late, ABC?

:mad:

Better late than never, I guess.

[George_Bonanza]

29. This is bad

However, Dean lost big BEFORE the "scream" was ever known. Would his campaign been in a downward spiral without his infamous speech? Who knows?

[CWebster]

31. So much for Kerry flying under the media radar:

"
There are but a few weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. Time has grown short. In an effort to galvanize the message Kerry wants to deliver in the time remaining, he convened a powerful roster of journalists and columnists in the New York City apartment of Al Franken last Thursday. The gathering could not properly be called a meeting or a luncheon. It was a trial. The journalists served as prosecuting attorneys, jury and judge. The crowd I joined in Franken’s living room was comprised of:
Al Franken and his wife Franni;
Rick Hertzberg, senior editor for the New Yorker;
David Remnick, editor for the New Yorker;
Jim Kelly, managing editor for Time Magazine;
Howard Fineman, chief political correspondent for Newsweek;
Jeff Greenfield, senior correspondent and analyst for CNN;
Frank Rich, columnist for the New York Times;
Eric Alterman, author and columnist for MSNBC and the Nation;
Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist/author of ‘Maus’;
Richard Cohen, columnist for the Washington Post;
Fred Kaplan, columnist for Slate;
Jacob Weisberg, editor of Slate and author;
Jonathan Alter, senior editor and columnist for Newsweek;
Philip Gourevitch, columnist for the New Yorker;
Calvin Trillin, freelance writer and author;
Edward Jay Epstein, investigative reporter and author;
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., who needs no introduction



http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

Kerry's coaches -- just as the venomous attacks on Howard Dean hit Time, Newsweek, NYTimes, Slate...

[cthrumatrix]

35. an establishment hit....media attacked dean and brought him down before

Iowa

[lyonn]

44. interesting article

How many presidential candidates could get that group together to advise them on their campaign? There must be an interesting story just knowing how that group got together at one time and for one candidate.

[Smirnoff]

34. I've been looking but I can't find it

When was this played or when is it going to be played?

[dsc]

37. Last story of World News Tonight

[milkyway]

38. idiomstudio.com has the full orig video. Diane, I take back all the nasty

things I said about you! It may not be such a bad thing that it came out today instead of before N.H. Voters will have a week to absorb it before voting next Tuesday.

There is still no excusing Dean's speech. It was an incredibly bad blunder, not by Dean but by his staff. How they could not have him prepared to face many voters for the first time is beyond comprehension. Dean came out and spoke to his audience--the supporters in the room. But the audience that really mattered were the millions of people that had never seen a Dean speech before. What a truly monumental screwup. Candidates are driven almost to exhaustion during a campaign, and they pay people very good money to make sure things like this don't happen. Heads should have rolled earlier.

[Myra]

40. They always wait until the damage is done, then make themselves the

story just to have a story.

When do they report on one of their daily disgraces in time to
make a difference?

[CWebster]

42. Who cares that he was pumping up the crowd

Suddenly it becomes unpresidential because it isn't within Kerry's capabilities. He puts a crowd to sleep.

[Seldona]

45. I am not even a Dean supporter,

but what they did to him should be actionable.

We need to reign in the corporate media, because in the long run anyone can be destroyed by them.

Hell who knows how many good people won't even take a crack at it because of this goddamn bs?

To easy to settle into a nice private sector job than to deal with that.

You couldn't get me to run against it, that's for sure.

In the end I believe that is the worst thing about it.


How much incredible talent are we getting ripped off by these jackels?

[Tweed]

48. The scream or the speech?

Even without the scream, he still looks crazy. Not to mention the fact that he came in third to begin with.

[NewHampster]

50. so nice of them the day after

and cris matthews was sweet last night and this morning on Imus.

little late folks, your job has been accomplished

[henslee]

51. Classic.... character assasinate the guy on page 1/ retraction on p. 40...

Who cares about the apology/explanation. The damage is done. The SCREAM set Dean back just enough for Kerry to get a bounce. Strategy... slow Deanmania down.

[cthrumatrix]

56. bingo

[nolabels]

57. Corporate Media in it for money, I am so suprised..........zzzzzzzzzz.

I never trust the pirates, how come so many people get reeled in by them?