Now that ABC "just revealed" the scream was a "media error"..what happens?

[cthrumatrix]

Since they now revealed and played "camcorder video" from several people in Iowa and it showed a "screaming crowd"..BUT ...Dean was on a cordless mic ..designed only to pick up his voice "not the crowd".

You cannot even here dean's scream when the video is played. So what does the media do?

* give back 15% NH gallup pre- poll

* take back their 100's of push polls taken showing how Dean is "un-presidential"

* do they rewind the 600+ CNN played it that week

* do they say NH "do over"

* what do they do...?


Dean's campaign was abused/assasinated by the media...KNOWINGLY based on the fact they could see the cordless mic clearly.


If I were Dean...I would demand 1 hour of air time from all the networks...share with all of america..the error of the "screech".

[SahaleArm]

1. What's he going to say - "It wasn't really me"? n/t

[eissa]

2. Nothing, the media did what they were supposed to do

they took down a leading contender for the democratic ticket. Mission accomplished.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. you DO remember Dean came in THIRD prior to the speech, right?

[cthrumatrix]

7. don't be so naive....I would say other...but you are something

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. you can't change the fact that he lost badly though

Which did a hell of a lot more to damage him in New Hampshire than the speech did.

[cthrumatrix]

15. i can't change that fact...nor am i going there.. do you agree it hurt him

did it take away potential $$$$ from his campaign..


You had Harkin next day saying dean made a mistake..etc..

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. potential money....do you really think that matters anymore?

Kerry is winning states. All the money in the world wouldn't have given Dean New Hampshire.

It's his next-door state and the only parts of the state he won were the parts that border Vermont and a few other pockets. Kerry practically swamped him.

It was an embarassing loss and it's turning out that Dean and Co. waaaaaay overestimated how much solid support they had. Money doesn't equal votes. No matter how many kids you bus in the get out the vote.

[stickdog]

57. It's Kerry's next door state as well.

Try again.

[cavebat2000]

17. If i wasn't a gentleman

id say stfu

[THUNDER HANDS]

29. I know the truth hurts

you have my sympathy.

[WatchWhatISay]

36. Just wait till they do it to Kerry for several weeks straight

for his sake lets hope his fellow Dems dont decide to help them out at the same time too.

I dont want to see this happen to Kerry or Clark or anyone else. I would like them to show our candidates 1/10th of the respect they gave the bumbling shrub in '02.

[THUNDER HANDS]

47. me too

I agree 100%

[MidwestMomma]

54. Yeah, then they'll all be 'media whores' again

Funny how the media is suddenly 'fair and balanced' when they're propping up your candidate. :eyes:

[Democrats unite]

4. As usual they will do nothing...

And move on to the next target.

[cthrumatrix]

5. the media may have assasinated our candidate.... the media is going to pay

for this...they have no idea how pissed dean supporters are...

Any Dean supporter who tells another about Dean "has the scream issue"...it's an unneccessary hurdle...it never had to happen.

[sandnsea]

6. He doesn't know how mics work??

This is bullshit. They were supposed to give him a mic where his words wouldn't be picked up for television?? He didn't know?? The whining is repulsive.

[cthrumatrix]

10. the media has a responsibility....they do it all day...dont they?

[sandnsea]

33. To give him the right mic??

That's what they did. HE had a responsiblity to use that mic correctly and not be hogwild when he gave his speech. His emotions were out of control and it shows clearly in that speech, especially if you watched ALL of it which I did that night. It didn't get any better from the scream. He was out of control.

[cthrumatrix]

37. to point out it wasn't as played.....like CNN did 600 times -- get real

Dean owns the mic gaffe...the media smears his entire campaign

[sandnsea]

42. He was out of control

It's not how loud the scream was, it's the out of control emotions behind the whole entire speech. He was over the top. Go ahead and blame the media AGAIN, it hasn't worked for him so far and it isn't going to work now. People do not want a whiner for President.

[Nazgul35]

59. why am I not surprised...

that Kerry supporters are into controlling emotions?

Maybe it is the fact that their favorite candidate has as much life in him as someone who's been dead for six years....

Kerry'll put the whole nation in a coma.....

[markus]

61. No, we want someone who throws stuff at his staff

when they can't find his boots.

We just don't want him to do it on video.

[sandnsea]

64. Now you're making stuff up

He didn't throw anything at anybody and that was never reported anywhere. But the fact that him being upset wasn't on video is the whole point. That's a candidate, that's Presidential.

[blm]

8. Why would that change anything?

Who didn't think he had a cordless mic on? This is 2004 isn't it?

[Smirnoff]

9. Maybe it's just me

I don't quite understand, just because it was a cordless mic he didn't really make the screech? I don't really even know why the screech was such a big deal anyway....
:dunce:

[cthrumatrix]

12. it "painted Dean as: angry, evil, unstable etc...." unneccessarily

[Qanisqineq]

13. I've never understood

the big deal over the scream. I was in a real funk, depressed GW was gonna be around another 4 years. The scream not only got me back in a better mood, it made me like Dean's fighting spirit.

[EllieDem]

14. <Ahem>........It wasn't just the "scream"

it was the contorted scary facial expressions that accompanied it. Did you see the pictures on Drudge? He looked like a monster.

[cthrumatrix]

16. it was a total and continous smear for one week...period.

[blm]

20. And Kerry's candidacy has been "DEAD" for months.

Big whoop. Real Deals pull through.

[cthrumatrix]

23. big whoop?.....that's the recourse ?

[blm]

32. Real Deals pull through the bullshit.

Kerry did. So did Edwards who was declared "irrelevant" for months.

[ibegurpard]

19. Monster?

you mean kind of like this?:

[SahaleArm]

25. Please warn us next time n/t

[EllieDem]

35. Not flattering for sure.........but he's

not screaming and looking crazed and insane. Nice try.

[ant]

26. oh please

And I'm sure Drudge was careful to pick the most flattering images, just like his pictures for the Kerry Botox controversy are totally fair and legit as well. :eyes:

I actually saw the speech on TV, and Dean was laughing. Everyone seems to ignore this one little fact. He was smiling and hollering and having a grand ol' time pumping up his supporters because that's what you do when people have put in countless hours to help you achieve something. Ted Kennedy was all red-faced and yelling at the Kerry event, too, but since there's no Ted Kennedy Is An Angry Nut story out there no one really cared.

Dean got screwed by the media, period. I don't doubt that his NH numbers would've dropped a bit anyway, but I also don't doubt that the week of ridicule contributed to the perception that he is somehow unpresedential and therefore unelectable.

More importantly, however, the media will do this to whoever wins the nomination. People should remember this before they start pretending this kind of manipulative shit doesn't really matter. Just wait 'till Kerry or Edwards gets it. (And YES, I will defend them just as strongly.)

[FredScuttle]

34. if you think Drudge posted scary pictures of Dean then....

take a gander at today's pictoral assassination of your guy.

[AntiCoup2K4]

48. As opposed to

<-- Frankenstein here. :eyes:

[papau]

50. contorted scary facial expressions?? - he smiled and laughed :-)

Drudge photoshop talents are few - but it appears enough to confuse you!

But I do wish any in the media would post all the snapshots of Bush looking like an idiot!

peace

:-)

[stopbush]

56. Oh, please. You're kidding, right?

Photographs at Drudge? Just how difficult is it to make anyone look horrible with selected stills from a video tape?

If you doubt me, here's a test for you: pop in a DVD of any Brad Pitt movie. Then, find a scene with Brad, wait for him to start speaking...and then hit the "Pause" button at will. I assure you that you will see Mr Pitt looking like "a monster" in short order.

[cthrumatrix]

58. the audio link...and the other media plays of about 10,000 times...

please tell me you are joking and see the "issue"

[KFC]

18. I believe that was Dean screaming regardless of the mic

Or are they saying it was someone in the crowd?

[cthrumatrix]

21. it only picked up his voice...no crowd noise...the people there said they

couldn't even hear the scream 20 ft away fromt the stage

[KFC]

30. So the microphone operated properly

It was designed to pick up Dean's voice, so naturally it picked up his scream.

[Southsideirish]

22. He had to scream to be heard over the incredible crowd noise but

the real version of the rally (www.idiomstudio.com) shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that his "scream" was barely audible there in the hall.

[KissMyAsscroft]

24. Yeah, Im not understanding this either

Did Dean scream, or did someone else scream?

Was the mic on?

Where did the scream come from?

Im confused, can someone explain this for me?

[Southsideirish]

31. Go to www.idiomstudio.com and view it. The audio was distorted

- it becomes very clear when you hear what really went on.

[SadEagle]

46. Simple. He was trying to speak over the crowd.

Speaking loudly when the environment is loud is not at all surprising or noteworthy, compared to doing the same when things are quiet.

[Southsideirish]

28. I have been dying to see this version on "big media" for days - is

Neel responsible for finally getting them to show it? He's OK in my book if that is true!

[EllieDem]

41. Ha Ha ....I've never seen such denial.....

none of this would be an issue EXCEPT Dean has been showing his temper all along the way. Remember telling that guy to sit down and be quiet? (sure the guy turned out to be a GOP....but Dean didn't know that....the guy was an old man for christs sake.) Don't tell me THAT went over well with senior citizens in Iowa. Sheesh , In an interview Dean admitted that sometimes he needs to be "restrained" when he gets mad. Well we all saw for ourselves.

[Southsideirish]

49. Glad you find reality to be so....amusing.

I for one am glad the truth is out. I will be waiting and watching for the media to start dissecting Kerry - I wonder will you find that to be so ha ha ha funny.
LOL

[ant]

51. another distortion

It would help if you could get your facts right. Dean DID know the guy was GOP because he had been lecturing Dean on his Bush bashing for three minutes, and Dean told him to sit down because he had had his turn to speak and Dean was going to respond. It's called standing up for yourself, and it's something the democratic party needs to learn how to do before the general election.

Here, be informed: http://homepage.mac.com/gbm/iblog/C668119045/E1936722088/


By the way, I'm not going to say Dean doesn't show emotion - it's obvious he does, and it's obvious he needs to learn to control it, something he's getting much better at, always a good thing. It's not that he needs to stop it, just recognize that there's a time and a place for it all AND the media is likely to take advantage of him on this point.

As someone who only recently (two days ago) decided to support Dean (and I actually spent all day Saturday volunteering for Kerry in NH) I've long marveled at how people's own biases influence what they see. In evaluating Dean for myself I saw a guy with a strong personality who showed a lot of emotion. People who didn't like him called it anger, craziness, whatever else. People who did like him called it passion, fire in the belly, whatever else. After following up every piece of a story I read about and learning the facts, I've landed with the second camp. I think Dean's a risk, but he's a risk I'm willing to take. I think Kerry's a risk, too, though maybe not in such an obvious way, and the polls show he's winning not on ideas but electability, a recent trait for him that could disappear as quickly as it appeared.

My point is that you should (A) be careful about what you see/hear, and make sure to learn the full story for yourself and (B) recognize that the attacks on one Dem candidate will easily transfer to another, so before you say those attacks don't matter (and I'm not saying they're ALL that matters), consider how you'd react if they were against your candidate rather than someone else's.

[retyred]

38. Did ABC actually say it was a "Media Error"?

or did they just play the video again? If they just played it again, how does this change things, I knew from the beginning what it really was and still thought he looked crazy.


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[cthrumatrix]

40. they said it was not as played on tv and had several "quotes from media"

CNN, Fox etc...that they should not have "overplayed" the tape...

A TV media "sound person" can see this..it was pointed out before...now the media admits it.

[maxr4clark]

39. Sorry, that isn't an error.

He made those noises. The fact that there were other noises that the microphone didn't pick up isn't an error; that's on purpose. Otherwise, we would never hear any of the candidates.

[cthrumatrix]

43. "it smeared him" and they knew he could not even be heard in the crowd

and people hearing it over TV could hear it clearly....but never said "well it's wireless mic" it blocks out the crowd noise.

It put him in such a hole...because the media chose to "exploit" it .

[EllieDem]

45. I think Deans real decline started with his

statement regarding witholding judgment on Bin Ladens guilt. Kerry said "Governor Dean what WERE you thinking??" He started to slide slowly after that.

[stopbush]

60. Funny, but that particular statement from Kerry put the nail in Kerry's

coffin as far as my support went. Imagine, a Dem running for president questioning the American tradition of due process. Has our country become so afraid of shadows that we don't have the guts to trust our system of justice, that we'll pay lip service to it, but when it is *most important* to assert our system of justice on the world stage we quickly shove it aside for political gain? Seems that's what Kerry was saying to Dean that night. If I want those sentiments in DC, I'll vote for bush and ashkkroft.

No thanks.

[anti-NAFTA]

44. The scream made me like Dean better.

I don't know why; it just did.

[ant]

53. heh

At the town hall mtg I went to on Monday, where I saw Dean speak for the first time and instantly decided to support him, one of the audience members made the following statement (paraphrased):

Some people heard Dean scream and ran away. I heard Dean scream and woke up.

[NashVegas]

52. Am I the Only One Who Finds This Sudden Hand-wringing Curious?

Since when does the media fall all over themselves regarding their mistakes?

Only thing I can imagine is that they've seen how the Dean campaign has sought to use the Scream as a positive, and are trying to neutralize it.

[ant]

55. I thought the opposite

I thought maybe they didn't want to just give Kerry an easy win. They want to drag out the race and therefore the story, so now they'll bring Kerry down while pumping Dean up.

Kerry and Dean are just little pawns in the game of Create an Interesting Story to Fill Our 24-Hour News Channels. :)

[MidwestMomma]

62. Exactly right

IMHO

[RobinA]

63. Curious

I find the hand-wringing curious as well. What's next, an apology for turning Whitewater into a huge "scandal" when it was really....nothing.