NYTimes: Trippi "furious at Dean"

[DJcairo]

Mr. Trippi declined interview requests, but said in a statement: "I may be out of the campaign, but I'm not out of the fight." He was described by people who have spoken to him as furious at Dr. Dean.

http://nytimes.com/2004/01/29/politics/campaign/29DEAN.html?pagewanted=2&hp

[Clark Can WIN]

1. *ominous music plays*

[Faygo Kid]

3. Wow! Is that an Aurora model, from the 1960s?

Alright, the heck with politics on this post. That Dracula looks like an Aurora model that I once put together in the 1960s. Is it? Totally excellent. Where did you get the pic? Thanks.

[Clark Can WIN]

4. Google, images

And yes, I believe it is. :-)

[Faygo Kid]

2. Egos, when so much is at stake.

I don't know if this is accurate, but please remember who the real enemy is here people (I know this is a hopeless post, but the defeat of George W. Bush is absolutely critical to this nation).

[jenk]

5. Trippi vs. Dean, Round 1........ding ding ding!

[BootinUp]

6. Notice how Trippi

has the blame for the "I have a scream speech" now.

I really see this as the final blow. The Dean supporters may prove me wrong though.

[PVnRT]

7. Interesting

CNN.com quoted the same thing, also saying that he wasn't angry at Dean and would continue to support him.

In fact, the quote you have listed isn't even the article you have linked. Nice try.

ON EDIT: The "furious" part is in there, but seeing as how it is second-hand, I have my doubts about it.

[jenk]

8. this article also says he spent 40 million

I can hardly believe it, that has to be impossible but the number keeps coming up.

and it confirms what Novak said, they pulled all the ads

[Cassandra]

17. I would hope they pulled all the ads...

they were terrible. Who is that wooden speaker in the Dean ads? Surely it's not the electrifying speaker I've seen for the last couple of weeks.

[janx]

9. THAT QUOTE IN CONTEXT--It comes from the Dean blog.

Statement from Joe Trippi
Dear Friends,

The Governor has asked Roy Neel to come in as CEO of the campaign.

I have resigned as campaign manager.

I’ve always believed that the most important thing was to change our country and our politics.

I’m proud of all of you and the work we have done together. I may be out of the campaign but I’m not out of the fight. Don’t give up -- stay with Howard Dean’s cause to change America.

Thank you.

Joe Trippi


Posted by Joe Trippi at 06:18 PM

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

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[janx]

25. If you don't like the source, take that up with the reporter, not me.

That's where the out-of-context quote came from.

[rumguy]

10. I don't blame him for being pissed

Hell Dean chose a Gore man over Trippi? That just seems wierd to me...

[angee_is_mad]

28. U can't get more insider

than that!

[ShaneGR]

11. I am simply amazed that Genious Trippi and Candidate Dean are in flames

What a difference 3 weeks make.

[mitchum]

12. Trippi is like the Amway executive who gets the roomful...

of distributors all fired up. Then they realize that no one wants to buy their furniture polish...



BTW: Where did all the money go?

[XanaDUer]

13. I laughed out loud when I read this!

eom. :)

[mitchum]

15. Thanks!

And sadly, it is true. Well, I'm not sad about it, but you know...

[Nazgul35]

40. me too....

made me think about Kerry as a mortician....who's been sniffing his own embalming fluid....

[mitchum]

46. Thanks! At least you RECOGNIZE wit...

even if its mastery is beyond your grasp

[srpantalonas]

16. Trippi is a great guy

He was very generous with me and is a politcal visionary. Treat him with respect.

[mitchum]

19. Did you win? How much did he take you for?

Trippi is a dirt bag. I have no respect for him.

[Adapter44]

27. Agreed

How can people like this guy??? Everytime I see him on TV he acts like a stuck up ass hole. Those very interested in politics might respect him, but to your average american watching him he gives a VERY negative impression on Dean.

It's a bad idea to let ego get to you no matter HOW good you are. Obviously this guy isn't as smart as he thinks if he can't even get the basic concept "being an ass hole in politics = bad".

[srpantalonas]

36. it was all pro bono...

and his advice was great.

plus, media firms typically take percentages of ad buys. you can't blame Trippi for a deal Dean made.

[Kurovski]

44. Hmmm, I'm questioning that formula because

being an asshole in politics=The White House, or at least it did for president Bushbean.

[Bucky]

18. I agree. Folks, let's be kind to Mr Trippi. He only changed US politics

by the innovations he recognized and seized upon for his candidate. Just like Abe Lincoln had to fire the guy who won the Battle of Gettysburg in order to win the war, Dean has the right to rotate the lead dog in his pack when there's a change in the snow cover.

Damn, I mixed metaphors again. I got to quit doing that. Anyhoo, major props to Trippy Trippi. He's a legend in the making coz of his work this year. We will hear his name again.

[knight_of_the_star]

20. Quick historical context

Lincoln ditched Meade because Meade failed to pursue Lee's army as it retreated from Gettysburg following the battle and replaced him with Grant because Grant had show he wasn't afraid of going at it with the enemy head-on and pushing ahead. Kinda different from what happened to Trippi.

[mouse7]

22. No... more like UK Gen. Hamilton at Gallipoli in WW1

"General Ian Hamilton, commander of the troops on the Greek island of Lemnos, who had watched the failed navy operation, agreed and plans were now made for full-scale landings at Gallipoli.

Leaders of the Greek Army informed Kitchener that he would need 150,000 men to take Gallipoli. Lord Kitchener concluded that only half that number was needed. Kitchener sent the experienced British 29th Division to join the troops from Australia, New Zealand and French colonial troops on Lemnos. Information soon reached the Turkish commander, Liman von Sanders, about the arrival of the 70,000 troops on the island. Sanders knew an attack was imminent and he began positioning his 84,000 troops along the coast where he expected the landings to take place.

The attack that began on the 25th April, 1915 established two beachheads at Helles and Gaba Tepe. Another major landing took place at Sulva Bay on 6th August. However, attempts to sweep across the peninsula ended in failure. By the end of August the Allies had lost over 40,000 men. General Ian Hamilton asked for 95,000 more men, but although supported by Winston Churchill, Kitchener was unwilling to send more troops to the area.

On 14th October, Hamilton was replaced by General Munro. After touring all three fronts Munro recommended withdrawal. Lord Kitchener, who arrived two weeks later, agreed that the 105,000 men should be evacuated. The operation began at Sulva Bay on 7th December. The last of the men left Helles on 9th January, 1916.

About 480,000 Allied troops took part in the Gallipoli campaign. The British had 205,000 casualties (43,000 killed). There were more than 33,600 ANZAC losses (over one-third killed) and 47,000 French casualties (5,000 killed). Turkish casualties are estimated at 250,000 (65,000 killed)."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWgallipoli.htm

Gallipoli is the PERFECT comparison to Trippi's reign as Dean's campaign manager. It was a big plan that looked great on paper but accomplished nothing except wasting massive resources.

[farmbo]

32. I'd say MacArthur at Inchon...1951.

Trippi used cunning and rapidity to turn the tide against an unprepared, conventional opponent(s). But ultimately, his tactical supremacy was for naught, as the Chinese entered the war and gained a strategic advantage.

And in my analogy, the Chinese are an unholy alliance of the establishment media and Washington Insiders who conspired to trivialize Dean's candidacy with their "Doubts About Dean" campaign.

And many of Dean's wounds were self- inflicted.

[Bucky]

42. My analogy would be Pickett's charge, 1863

Well I didn't mean my original analogy to be a perfect illustration of Mr Trippi's efforts this year, only to illustrate the point that one kind of general is good for starting the fight and another style of leadership might be needed for finishing off the war.

Honestly, when I think about the "Perfect Storm" and all those kids charging into Iowa with their orange accessories trying to take the high ground, the military analogy I think of is Pickett's Charge. As a Clarkie I see all those dollars wasted along the ground, lost in a full force bayonet charge without a thought to strategy beyond meeting the challenge with overwhelming force and an assload of esprit de corps...

Well, the words "General, I have no division" come to mind.

[loudsue]

21. Mark my words...w/out Trippi, Dean will go down by summer.

I just don't see him having a great time w/out Trippi. And I'm SURE not thrilled about Dean borrowing from Gore's campaign.

Gore was never a problem....his closest circle certainly was.

I'm sorry to see this unfortunate turn of events.

:kick:

[bhunt70]

23. summer is a long time away...make a bolder prediction :)

[Bake]

24. Lessee: Dean hires the guy who ran the sorriest campaign in history?

Al, I luv ya, man, but you ran one of the crappiest campaigns in recent history! There's no way it should have even been close enough to steal in 2000!!

And Dean has HIRED this guy????? BIG HUGE question about his judgment right there!

Bake

[molly]

29. Dean hired the ultimate Washington insider

"The selection of Mr. Neel, a former telecommunications lobbyist who was an aide to Mr. Gore for nearly 20 years, on Capitol Hill and in the Clinton White House, is a stark shift for an insurgent campaign powered largely by political neophytes whose main message is overthrowing the establishment. He is the ultimate Washington insider, not unlike like those Dr. Dean derides daily."

[Cheswick2.0]

31. nah, Kerry is the ultimate washington Insider

:7

[Capn Sunshine]

45. considering who the Bob Dole of the 21st century is going to be

The media lines are coming pretty fast and furious around here. I don't even have to read the Post any more.

[Tinoire]

26. Damn

I have no idea what happened behind the scenes but Trippi is a low-down, dirty, slimey dog.

He is EXACTLY what we need when we're going against Rove and, at the same time, the Democratic Party establishment.

I agree, this is not a good turn of events.

On edit... Reading some details about the revenue Trippi was getting from the ads. If that's true, that's tooo low to be tolerated. If any of this is true, my heart goes out to every single disappointed and/or concerned Dean supporter out there and all I can say is BUCK UP! KEEP MOVING! One of my directors just sent a $2000 check to Dean this afternoon. There will be more money. Keep your spirits up & keep on moving!!

[CWebster]

30. Must be some more of that gratuitous free press

we always hear about Dean getting...Like Kerry would benefit from his downward pointing finger and smirk in front of Dean signs, being broadcast every 12 seconds...

Still, there is Dean again on the front page of the NYTimes this morning. Even though they shamelessly fawn over Kerry:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0127-10.htm

They must be well aware of who sells the most papers.

[DemNoir]

33. This is what long campaigns tell us

I was a strong Dean supporter but it has become apparent that he was never up to the task. There is no single decision or event one can point to as the reason for his failure, in the end, Howard Dean just was not good enough.

[CWebster]

34. ho hum

Get back to me after the rest of the pack stands in Dean's shoes for a week.

[MercutioATC]

37. If you supported Dean, just what makes him "not good enough" now?

You don't like the way the campaign is going? Is THAT seriously why you supported him in the first place? Dean hasn't changed. Neither has my support.

[bullimiami]

38. me either

of course i wish we on top looking down but there is a long way to go.

YEEAHHHHH GO DEAN

andy
miami

[MercutioATC]

39. That's the spirit Andy! We're not so weak as to let the media tell us

how to vote. Hell, Kucinich supporters have been weathering this issue since.....well, always. We can't handle the heat? Bull!

[SeattleRob]

41. Apparently, you were not that "strong" of a supporter

I am still in the Doctor's corner. I WAS NOT swayed by the phony media and establishment attacks. I will be voting for the eventual Democratic nominee.

There has been so much bullshit that has been disseminated - Remember the Republicans were licking their chops hoping for Dean to get the nomination? So what did they do? THey attacked him and put out ads against him - months before any primary votes. In the history of modern elections, has this ever happened?

Finally, here's an article about the "Goring" of Dean. Please read it and judge for yourself.

http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert136.shtml

Overall, the saddest part of this whole situation is how people were easily manipulated by the media and the Rove spin machine. It got so bad, that people here on the DU were citing articles by Peggy Noonan to support their baseless attacks.

Whatever candidate you support will be subjected to baseless attacks. Seeing how easily people are swayed by them, I am not too optimistic.

[bloom]

35. What occurs to me

is how thrifty Dean is.

It must have made him sick to have all the money flowing out on I hear were bad ads anyway. And then Trippi getting his cut.


blah.

[ibegurpard]

43. Well, the Trippi interview tonight pretty much puts this BS to rest.

eom