My response to the Kerry is Bush-lite meme

[DJcairo]

As far as the missed votes...in case you didn't notice Kerry's been running for President this year, and unless your Al Sharpton, sitting in DC is not the way you run a presidential campaign. Secondly, some say he's received money from the Telecom industry. First, I could think of worse industries to receive money from (fossil fuel and mining come to mind). Secondly, Dean's new campaign manager was a lobbyist for the Telecom industry before joining the campaign so that won't fly.
On the question of NCLB: Ted Kennedy - a great leader on education - worked with Bush on NCLB, of course Kerry would vote for it. Does anyone doubt Teddy's commitment to liberal causes? He stood with Bush at the signing and Bush called him a friend.
I believe all Senators except one voted for the Patriot Act and many of its provisions were desperately needed in the aftermath of 9-11. You probably don't know what's even in it. However, before the Patriot Act, an FBI investigator you would have get several warrants, one for each landline and cell number to listen in on what a suspect might be saying. Now you can get one for the person - a neccesary modernization of the law given that most everyone has a cell phone. To say a man with the unprecedented endorsement of the LCV and a high 90's rating from everyone from the LCV to Planned Parenthood is for the Bush administration or doesn't stand on principles is either a liar or worse yet, a lying O' lielly, liar.

[MercutioATC]

1. Funny, Kucinich is running too...how many votes has HE missed?

[sangh0]

2. LOL!

Yeah, that's a relevant comparison!!

[MercutioATC]

9. You're saying it's not a relevant comparison? Why not?

They're both federal-level legislators who are running for President. One remembers where his paycheck comes from. Seems like an accurate statement to me.

[girl gone mad]

14. Of course it isn't relevant..

don't you get it? Jump on the Kerry bandwagon! Everybody else is doing it, why won't you?

[MercutioATC]

15. Gee, do I feel silly! Thanks for setting me straight...

:silly:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

20. Because Kerry is runnng to win.

[MercutioATC]

21. Oh, please. Kucinich isn't?

His realistic chances aside, do you really think that Kucinich isn't running to win?

As I said, Kucinich remembers where his paycheck comes from and the voters who trusted him to represent them in Congress. It'd be nice if other candidates did, too.

[Catholic Sensation]

5. as are lieberman and edwards, and they've both missed votes

and lots of them. Bitching and moaning about missing votes is a stupid tactic.

[Paulie]

18. You shouldn't inject any facts

It confuses those who are really trying to justify their support of their canidate, and not the calling of their heart, Kucinich! :) :) :) )

[eileen_d]

3. Your response is too long

Why not say what I say (to myself) when I see the "Bush-lite" meme:

Bullshit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. My response to your response. IWR.

Only one letter longer.

[Hawkeye-X]

4. Sorry. It still doesn't excuse Kerry

for missing key votes because he has to run his campaign. He could have just suspended or at least campaigned by satellite while the Senate was in session. Now with the Repukes in control, you can't just LEAVE the Senate chambers while in session because the Repukes are completely untrustworthy.

Yes, Kennedy worked with * to try to establish NCLB, but what did Kennedy get for passing it - the 2nd largest unfunded mandate in US history and a knife in the back -- and that's what's going to doom Kerry vs *.

PATROIT ACT is still an unconstitutional piece of Ashcroft's garbage that needs to be destroyed. I also won't forgive Edwards for writing this crap either...

Hawkeye-X

[DJcairo]

6. Are you hoping that Kerry might read your post, and suspend his campaign

so your guy Dean can come in second some more?

[bread_and_roses]

7. I can support Kerry and NOT support

his vote on IRW and PA. I consider both votes indefensible, along with his vote on Welfare Reform.

However, anyone who calls Kerry, with his overall record, "Bush lite" does not only do injustice to his record but SERIOUSLY underestimates the insane radicalism of the people in power now.

There is no comparison.

[MsUnderstood]

8. Interesting. . .but what are you responding to?

[codegreen]

10. amen!

i am already so sick of the Kerry bashing. thank you!

[bahrbearian]

11. Under Clinton a FISC warrant was never denied

so your "However, before the Patriot Act, an FBI investigator you would have get several warrants, one for each landline and cell number to listen in on what a suspect might be saying." dosn't wash. The Patriot Act dosen't protect us from our real enemy's.

[NWHarkness]

12. 92% ADA rating

Kerry is not my first choice for the nomination, He is not even my second choice.

But the idea that he is "Bush-lite" is ignorant and asinine.

The Americans for Democratic Action, a group that has been tracking voting records on liberal issues since the 1940s, shows Kerry has a 92% rating for voting favorably for liberal causes.

That's hardly a record that merits comparison to George W Bush.

[girl gone mad]

16. Yes, but..

He's the senator of a very liberal state. My guess is, if he lived somewhere else his record would be markedly different.

It's easy to be a good liberal when you're from a good liberal state. When he was put to the test with IWR and Patriot act, he failed.

[blm]

28. when he was put to the test he exposed more government corruption

than ANY lawmaker in modern history.

In a black and white world so many here want to live in, anyone who has a problem with that must be on the side FOR government corruption.

[Caution]

13. On the patriot and the phone taps

You are missing the issue with that one. Under the new provisions if your friend A has a partner B who is a drug dealer and your friend A regularly calls your house, the feds can now tap your line. Anything you say can and will be used against you. They can tap partner B's place of work phones, his family and friends phones etc etc. All with only a single order allowing a tap. It is up toe the discretion of the feds which phones to tap. The only justification needed is that B may have access to that phone and may use it to conduct illegal business. That's just a bit too much leeway dontcha think?

[wryter2000]

17. Okay, now I'll ask you one

I asked another Kerry person but haven't seen a reply yet.

I'm all for Kerry if he gets the nomination, but I would like for a Kerry supporter to reassure me that I'm not expected to lighten up on Bush or stifle my anger or move toward some middle that's already been hijacked to the extreme right by the wingnuts. If I have to play "nice" with the repugs to be in the Kerry camp, he'll have my vote but nothing else.

Will a Kerry person please clarify this for me?

[polmaven]

22. I will assure you of that!

John Kerry and his supporters believe the world will be a safer place with George W Bush out of office. The world will be a friendlier place with George W. Bush out of office. The world will be a better place with George W. Bush out of office.

Who was it that first stated that we need "regime change here in America" and was raked over the coals for it?

There is no....repeat...NO love lost between John Forbes Kerry and George Walker Bush.

We want what you want. We want George W. Bush out of office. If Federal Prison on treason charges is where he should go after his humiliating defeat, that would be all the better!

George W. Bush is not only a danger to anyone in this country living below the super-millionaire level, he is a danger to the world community as a whole. HE MUST GO!!!!

There...does that sound like "stifled" anger? I am angry as hell, and John Forbes Kerry is the candidate to whom I have turned as the best person to do something about it.

[wryter2000]

23. Okay, thanks

To tell you the truth, I wasn't all that worried, but then people kept mentioning that Kerry was the DLC's choice, and I know how they've been..."Be quiet and vote for who we tell you to vote for," "Don't sound angry," "Don't make waves, we know what we're doing." I wasn't having any part of that!

[sangh0]

26. As a Kerry supporter, I expect nothing from you

except that you try your hardest to do what's best for yourself, your family, your freinds, your country, and your fellow humans all over the planet.

[sandnsea]

24. We're in self-destruct mode

I'm really afraid there's nothing to do but let it happen. We'll fight for Kerry, but there's too much hatred. I think we're all done.

[theboss]

25. I depsise the word "meme"

I get the same feeling when I read it as I do when I hear the word "pro-active" in business meetings.

[Andy_Stephenson]

27. Kerry owns stock in oil companies and

Wal Mart as well..Wow..what a social concience.


The Patriot Act was needed? Are you kidding?

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