Hilary Clinton CANNOT be elected to the U.S. Senate

[joeybee12]

My, how quickly we forget. Remember all that talk about her high negative polling numbers, about her "unelectability." New election cycle, same lies, different candidate.

If a certain Democratic candidate gets the nomination, it's because he earned it. Deal with it, and then ensure that whoever is nominated beats Bush. All this despair and doom and gloom is essentially paranoia, and the only ting Karl Rove is doing right now is laughing at the Dems for doing his work for them.

[StClone]

1. Oh Oh Oh

"Rudy is going to kill her if he runs." What a crock all around.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. She didn't beat Rudy

she beat Rick Lazio- a complete nimwit and terribly weak opponent. Most importantly- there was no incumbent.

[joeybee12]

5. Yeah, but they still said her negatives were way too high,

and then--guess what--Lazio's negatives got even higher! Besides, Hilary would have beatne Rudy--he was very unpopular around that time--9-11 made a man most people despised into a saint.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. He was becoming unpopular in NYC

upstate he was still seen positively.

[joeybee12]

9. Yes, but Hilary ran a very smart campaign, and she concentrated

on upstate New York. I think Rudy, like Lazio, would have taken upstate for granted.

Anyway, this is all conjecture, because we'll never know, although my gut says she would have won because she really ran such a good campagn--she would have run just as smart a campaign against Rudy.

[billyf65]

14. and...

...she was going against pre-9/11, non superhero Rudy, who was chastised for cheating on his wife.

[beyurslf]

18. They said HRC's negative vote was 48%.

That is 48% of the people would vote for anyone over her. This means she couldn't lose much of anyone who didn't absolutely hate her.

Yeah right. She got 56%. Seems some people who hated her voted for her.

[spooky3]

19. or, they hated her so much they stayed home.

[StClone]

20. There is talk of Rudy running against her

When she runs again.

[impeach the gop]

2. I'll drink to that

Get the scum of the earth out of our Whitehouse.

[poskonig]

3. Hilary was down double-digits too. n/t

eom

[kixot]

6. I'll post my toast to that here.

I raise my diet coke to that!

[mikehiggins]

8. The "old politics" rule is still true. You can't beat someone with no one

Hillary would have had a lot of trouble if she had been facing Rudy. He backed out of the race, and she wound up facing a throwaway candidate. Pataki knew he couldn't beat her head to head so he didn't even try.

What other statewide GOP candidate was there? Bloomberg would have been laughed out of town, trying to run for the Senate against Hlllary.

By that rule our best candidate in 2004 would have to be Kerry.

[tjdee]

10. Wow...TOTALLY different.

Unless Bush is not going to run, and the GOP replaces him with some random Republican from Iowa.

[poskonig]

11. You think too highly of Bush.

:beer:

[joeybee12]

12. NOT at all totally different...

...the things said about Hilary were being said just as soon as there was "talk" of her PERHAPS running. In other words, that talk is just BS, and you should not listen to it. You will hear that in 2008, 2012, etc. Its the same old thing.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

13. Yeah. Bill Clinton actually backed the ultimate winner

big difference.

[oasis]

15. "after 9/11 everthing has changed"--GWB. National security issues

will concern voters in 2004. New York's senatorial race in 2000 was a mere a beauty contest by comparison.

[ScotTissue]

16. If the USA was NY state, this would excite me

However....

[billyf65]

17. Rick Lazio lost...

...because he decided not to be Rick Lazio, among other reasons.

The GOPers replaced Rudy with a young, good looking moderater congressman. He was a "soccer dad" type.

Then came the debate. And across the stage strode Lazio, right into Hillary's space, and out of the race. It really was the pivotal point.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. also, Lazio made a debate gaffe of phyiscal intimidation

During their debate, Lazio got in Hillary's face about something- literally and phyiscally intimidating Hil. There was a perception spun around after the debate that it was very ungentlemanly and low class. Yes- it was the 'sex card' being played, but Lazio should have known better.

[Padraig18]

22. Kick

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