MSNBC...CLARK...gave speech to group with terrorist ties??

[in_cog_ni_to]

Coming on after comercial. This is, so far, an insinuation. :( Another question for tonight. :(

[eileen_d]

1. I just switched to it

I really don't want to see Clark smeared... :(

[eileen_d]

9. "The Abrams Report" -- talking about Kobe

Why am I not surprised :eyes:

Nothing on Clark, yet

[eileen_d]

15. Breaking: Clark spoke to group with Kobe Bryant ties!

just kidding... I fucking hate MSRNC

[eileen_d]

22. "Clark PRAISED a group with terrorist ties" was the latest soundbite

According to some terrorist expert - didn't catch the name - another commercial break

[Skwmom]

28. Smeared by the right, smeared by the left.

So what's new.

[tishaLA]

2. So they want to paint him as Richard Perle now

here we go.

[ogminlo]

3. Define "terrorirst ties"

I would call the NRA a group with "terrorist ties" since I'm sure some of their members are involved with Tim McVeigh type activities...

And Chimpy has surely spoken to them...

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. We'll see after the commercial.

:( *sigh*

[West Coast Democrat]

10. Bush Sr. Had Breakfast With Osama's Dad on 9-11

Uh...can you say terrorist ties?

[Bread and Circus]

77. I know, isn't that classic. Then the whole Bin laden family...

was secretly wisked out of the country on the Tax Payers dollar.

So fucking corrupt, our country is.

[BootinUp]

4. OMFG...Must be the SOA question...

These people will stop at nothing to destroy the man. How dare he try to get into politics and run for POTUS!

[West Coast Democrat]

5. I find myself posting this same thing every day

NOBODY ACTUALLY WATCHES MSNBC!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. THANK G-D!

I have it on because the debate starts in 30 minutes. I hope noone watches it. This is bullshit. Clark MUST take ALL the time that is needed while he actually has a camera on him, to answer the question tonight. I KNOW it will be a debate question!

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe....give me a damn break!

[West Coast Democrat]

23. Will debate be replayed later on?

I live on the West Coast.

[rooboy]

7. Gee, I hope he didn't get his photo taken with Sami Al Arian... n/t

[TexasPatriot]

8. well, the FBI moved money to HAMAS

a couple years back... did clark ever speak to them?

[tishaLA]

11. in_cog_ni_to, now you have me watching

Dan Abrams and his rug. I'm not happy with you right now! :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. I DETEST Dan Abrams,

but the debate is coming on in 30 minutes and I didn't want to miss it. I just heard the question before the commercial..."Did Wesley Clark give a speech to an organization with ties to terrorism?" ....coming up next. :(

Man, I hate watching Dan Abrams too. Same shit....different day. :(

I'm sorry. :cry:

Go Wes!

[_Jumper_]

12. Kosovo

I think this has something do with a Kosovar group.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. No way!

You think it's the hat exchange thing that he has apologized for?

[BootinUp]

13. Kobe, Kobe, Kobe...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[spooky3]

14. This sounds like 6 Steps to Kevin Bacon.

"This just in--someone in the audience knew someone who used to pick up the trash for a terrorist..."

If this is the worst they can come up with, I'd say the General is sitting pretty.

[Mz Pip]

17. Was that when

he spoke to that group of Republicans in Arkansas?

MzPip
:dem:

[West Coast Democrat]

19. I Was Just Thinking the Same Thing!!!

funny!

[Jerseycoa]

18. Must be some Albanian group

KLA maybe in Kosovo. He has also spoken to Arab-American groups and maybe one has some connection. Like John Edwards's house sale. Something silly.

[Mobius]

21. THEY CANT BE SERIOUS!

OMG! CLARK A TERRORIST! HOLY BLAZING HELL!

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Did he PRAISE a group with ties to terrorism?

That's different! I wonder who? Sorry for the misquote....:spank:

[sangh0]

25. So did Bush

Bob Jones University

[TexasPatriot]

26. "Praise a group with links to radical islam"

hrm...
did clark ever say anthing positive about arming the mujahadeen back during the russian invasion of afghanistan?

these sorts of storys are always such crap - if they were real they wouldnt be teased

[eileen_d]

34. "muslim groups in Chicago" - Clark sent a videotaped message to them

And some "terrorist expert" named Steve Emerson is making the case that they have ties to terrorists and are directly supportive of "radical Islam"

One of the groups is "Muslim American Society" - Emerson is saying that "Clark is being deceived" -- now they're playing a Clark soundbite. This is a bunch of bullshit IMO

[eileen_d]

38. He's comparing them to the KKK and Bob Jones University

(He being the terrorist expert)

No wonder I never watch cable news. NEVER AGAIN. Fuck the debate too - I'll "watch" it on DU

[lancdem]

54. Steve Emerson?

Why am I not surprised. :(

[maddezmom]

74. can you clue me in

What are Stever Emerson's creditials?

[returnable]

29. Gee, MSNBC floats this story minutes before they telecast a debate.

Anyone wonder what question Brokaw throws at Clark first? :eyes:

[bicentennial_baby]

31. Why do you think I'm not watching it?

[Renew Deal]

30. OK, if they are terrorists, why aren't they in prison?

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Last monthDec. 27

Muslim groups in Chicago and they are supportive of terrorist groups. BULLSHIT! If they are supportive of terrorism...their ASSES would be in PRISON!

[_Jumper_]

58. They don't provide direct support to terrorists

But they (MAS, ICNA) sympathize with them. According to Emerson one of them openly advocates suicide bombing.

[slinkerwink]

33. *sigh* they're not cutting clark and dean any slack today.......

[kerry-is-my-prez]

35. Bush spoke to the same groups and had them in the White House

n/t

[TexasPatriot]

48. LOL

this is flat out racist bs... they're REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel on this stuff.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. Just said that there were many politicians in the audience

n/t

[tishaLA]

37. It's another proxy attack

You have friends who have said X and therefore you must agree with it. WIll you disavow their actions?

If this group is such a problem, why hasn't chimpy shut them the fuck down? The fact is, whatever their history, Clark can't be held responsible for what they did YEARS ago even by Emerson's own account.

HAHA! Now Abrams is saying that 6 people have done it and Emerson is trying to bitch about democrats saying bad things about chimpy's visits to Bob Jones.

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. What the hell was wrong with that statement?

Dan's defending it! Thank You Dan! MANY politicians have spoken to those groups...Ashley Banfield has seen them there. This is MOOT! End of subject!

Go Wes!

[tishaLA]

40. Abrams, to his credit, is slapping him down.

[Jack_Dawson]

41. Clark really scares SOMEBODY-

pulling the media's puppetstrings. I can't think of shabbier treatment of a nicer man. He's running for president because he believes he can do great things for our country. God forbid.



:wtf:

[Jerseycoa]

42. Asheleigh Banfield

saw a half dozen politicians at meeting with this group. This is NO big deal. How many Republicans ever addressed that group?

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Wow...that was

pretty pathetic! Hahahaha! The repukes are getting desperate!

Go Wes!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

44. Another "hit" on Clark the day of a debate. They're trying to finish him

off...

[Toucano]

45. This is an OBSCENE SMEAR!

Outrageous!

It doesn't have to be true. It will be reported on CNN that MSNBC says...Then on Fox that CNN says....

Then it will be accepted as truth.

I guess what he actually said to the group doesn't matter. Just like the SOA. It's just that he reached out to them.

Which candidate will decry Clark for this first tonight?

[slinkerwink]

47. my guess is Lieberman

:puke:

[Dark Star]

76. Not only was that unnecessary,

but also incorrect!

No one brought it up at the debate. :eyes: O8)

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Yup...McCain fathered a black baby...

I remember it well. They threw shit to the wind and let it fly, knowing damn well it wasn't true. Wes has to start going on the offense about this crap. Now.

Go Wes!

[Myra]

46. They're trashing him now in prep for the debate.

They are so so so terrified of him.
Doing everything they can to destroy him and his campaign
so that only insiders are left.

Fuck 'em.

[TexasPatriot]

53. again this is why we need an outsider to win

we've got to clean house.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

49. The group had a friggin' table at an event....

n/t

[_Jumper_]

68. No, the group was co-sponsor of the event

Allegedly it openly advocates suicide bombing.

Politicians need to be careful when talking to groups. The vast majority of American Muslims aren't members of Muslim organizations (the largest one has only 40K members). The fundies are the ones who join them. Hence, they are often very extreme.

[TacticalPeek]

50. Prepare for two General Smackdowns tonight:

One on this, which will leave the questioner wondering how his head wound up in his hands (if the question is not artful).

And two, on Kerry's call for Tenet's head.



I see I'm getting too heady here.

[bicentennial_baby]

51. Is this what they're talking about?

http://www.aaiusa.org/conference.htm

[eileen_d]

60. It was a conference, but I believe it had a different acronym

I am not sure about this though.

[Toucano]

67. That's close

but the conference they mentioned was in December of 2003.

[tishaLA]

52. Info on Clark's accuser

http://www.fair.org/extra/9901/emerson.html

Read it and weep

[TexasPatriot]

61. LOL it just gets better

MSNBC just put a lunatic up as a terrorist expert.

"Emerson makes unsubstantiated allegations of widespread conspiracies in Arab-American communities and brushes aside his lack of documented evidence by implying it only proves how clever and sinister the Arab/Muslim menace really is"

Maybe he'll go run David Duke's congressional campaign. It sounds like they'd be perfect together.

[Toucano]

63. Thanks.

That's disgusting news. An objective "expert".

[bain_sidhe]

55. Who? The Republican party?

Just askin'

[returnable]

57. Hey, Emerson. That was some scoop.

Here's another one for ya:



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[in_cog_ni_to]

64. Hehe....kewl ! n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

59. Remember the Grover Norquist scandal that talked about Bush meeting

with all of the terrorist groups AFTER 9/11? Probably the same groups.

[Jack_Dawson]

62. General SMACK SOME HEADS TONIGHT

I'm fucking pissed.

:argh:




:spank: :spank::spank: :spank::spank: :spank::spank: :spank::spank: :spank:

[Renew Deal]

66. I hope he opens up on th emedia and a few others.

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. We need to start a debate thread n/t

[xray s]

69. What about this speech?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58296-2004Jan28.html

[BootinUp]

70. Did they just say Edwards and Lieberman and skip Clark?

AAHAHAAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

:argh:

[Jack_Dawson]

71. In what sense? I'm at work.

[xray s]

73. Yep, The General is persona non grata

[bicentennial_baby]

72. Ok, I looked it up...This is RIDICULOUS

American Muslims discuss balance
between beliefs and the U.S. society

AMP Report

Thousands of Muslims discussed the need to integrate with mainstream American society while maintaining their unique beliefs during a four-day conference titled "Muslims, Citizens of the West: Rights, Duties and Prospects," at the Hyatt Regency, Chicago. The Dec. 25-28 2003 conference was jointly sponsored by the Muslim American Society and the Islamic Circle of North America.

The convention brought together African American Muslims, Arab immigrants and groups of different religious backgrounds.

Dialogue with fellow Americans

"I believe it is in the hearts and minds of eight million Muslims in America that we must dialogue with open hearts with our fellow Americans," said Imam Yehia Hendi, Muslim Chaplain at Georgetown University and head of MAS Dawah department. "It is the mission of Muslim American Society and Islamic Circle of North America," he added.

Scott Alexander, a panelist and Director of the Catholic-Muslim Program at the Catholic Theological Union in Chicago, cited pieces of advice given by Pope John Paul II to enhance dialogue among humanity.

http://www.amperspective.com/html/mas-icna_convention.html

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!!

[Turkw]

75. Is it only the MAS that they talked about right, well look at what I

found at the MAS site:

WASHINGTON, Nov 12 - The United States House of Representatives and leaders of the American Muslim community held a Ramadan Iftar (breaking fast) on Capitol Hill Wednesday.



Representative John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI), along with several other House members, welcomed guests, including representatives of the Muslim American Society (MAS)’s Freedom Foundation, by reaffirming the importance of communities joining in the cause of establishing religious tolerance, saying that, "America is still a melting pot; a nation of immigrants.



"The Islamic religion is one of the three great Abrahamic faiths; promoting peace and unity, in addition to being the fastest growing religion in the U.S. today," he affirmed.



Conyers assured guests that the representatives hosting the Iftar dinner would continue to work towards making improvements on the Hate Crimes Bill, making it easier for federal law enforcement agencies to prosecute people who commit hate crimes against Arabs, Muslims, and mosques.



Conyers stated that since "September 11, 2001, people of Arabic descent have been harassed, assaulted, attacked, and arrested because of the great gulf between cultures," and that it would be their goal to strengthen the legislation, and make all activities under the “un-Patriotic Act” unlawful, asserting, "You cannot fight terrorism by applying unconstitutional tactics."



Conyers thanked the Council on American-Islamic relations (CAIR) for their work in coordinating the event, and then announced, "I celebrate this evening with you!"



In closing, Conyers assured members of the American Muslim community that legislative and political developments needed to achieve the fight for religious tolerance would continue.



Along with Conyers, the Iftar was co-hosted by House members Gregory Meeks (D-NY), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Loretta Sanchez (D-CA), and Barbara Lee (D-CA).

[MoonRiver]

78. This is all unbelievably crazy and downright evil!

2 F'N days after 9/11 * let OBL's family fly out of the US when every other plane was GROUNDED! He then let OBL get away SCOTT FREE in Tora Bora when we had him CORNERED! Then he starts a war for Halliburton on the basis of blatant LIES, during which 500+ good and decent American soldiers have been killed, and thousands of innocent Iraqis blown to smitherines! And the f'n media whores whitewash all these crimes and outrages, while planting stupid innuendos about good men and patriots like Clark, because they are DEMOCRATS!

:grr:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

79. Kucinich, Conyers, Meeks other Reps were at the affair

http://www.masnet.org/masnews.asp?id=669

WASHINGTON, Nov 12 - The United States House of Representatives and leaders of the American Muslim community held a Ramadan Iftar (breaking fast) on Capitol Hill Wednesday.

Representative John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI), along with several other House members, welcomed guests, including representatives of the Muslim American Society (MAS)’s Freedom Foundation, by reaffirming the importance of communities joining in the cause of establishing religious tolerance, saying that, "America is still a melting pot; a nation of immigrants.

-snip-

Along with Conyers, the Iftar was co-hosted by House members Gregory Meeks (D-NY), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Loretta Sanchez (D-CA), and Barbara Lee (D-CA).

[kerry-is-my-prez]

80. Bush met with ICNA and other terrorist orgs many times. Endorsed by many

THIS is why this ain't going nowhere...

http://www.amaweb.org/election2000/ampcc_endorses.htm

10/23/2000) - The American Muslim Political Coordinating Council Political Action Committee (AMPCC-PAC) today announced its endorsement of George W. Bush for president, citing his outreach to the Muslim community and his stand on the issue of secret evidence.

(AMPCC-PAC is an affiliated PAC of the American Muslim Political Coordinating Council. AMPCC members include American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Council on American-Islamic Relations, and Muslim Public Affairs Council.)

The endorsement was announced by chair of AMPCC-PAC, Dr. Agha Saeed.

-snip-

The press conference was also addressed by:
Dr. Yahya Basha and Mr. Aly Abouzakuk of AMC,
Mr. Omar Ahmad, Mr. Nihad Awad, Mr. Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR,
Mr. Salam Al-Maryati of MPAC, and
Mr. Eric Vickers of AMA.

Representatives of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) attended the press conference as observers.

[John_H]

81. Rove could never touch this! We'd just haul out the picture of

Chimp with his arm around a guy the DOJ is prosecuting for terrorism.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

82. More on Bush and his meetings, etc. with terrorist orgs....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11209

Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Awad was among those first introduced by Norquist and Saffuri to Bush during the presidential campaign and his access continued after September 11th. In fact, the front page of the Washington Post featured a photograph of Nihad Awad and Khaled Saffuri flanking Mr. Bush as he toured the Washington Islamic Center.

-snip-

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. According to the Washington Post, on September 9, 2001, at a rally to support cop-killer and former American Muslim Council executive Jamil Al-Amin (a.k.a. H. Rap Brown), Shaykh Yusuf declared, “This country is facing a terrible fate...This country stands condemned. It stands condemned because of what it did – and lest people forget Europe suffered two world wars after conquering the Muslim lands.”46 At this same rally, the Post reported, Shaykh Yusuf lamented that Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric convicted of plotting to bomb Manhattan's Lincoln and Holland tunnels, was “unjustly tried, was condemned against any standards of justice in any legal system.”47

The FBI went to interview Yusuf to determine whether this inflammatory statement was indicative of prior knowledge of the attacks that occurred two days later. When agents knocked on the door of his San Francisco home on September 20th, they were incredulous to hear his wife explain that Yusuf was absent because he was meeting with the President.48 Upon checking, the FBI discovered that he had indeed been included in an ecumenical meeting in the Oval Office with then-Cardinal Law and a Jewish rabbi – a meeting that was, according to the Wall Street Journal, arranged by Grover Norquist’s White House surrogate, Suhail Khan.49

The website of Yusuf’s organization promised to send a percentage of all sales of tapes of his pro-Islamist sermons to Benevolence International Foundation, even after its director was indicted for funneling money to bin Laden and al-Qaeda.50

[John_H]

83. Awsome catch. Have you sent this to the campaigns? The DNC?