MSNBC Debate Thread #3

[spooky3]

GO TO THREAD 4 NOW PLEASE

[Cheswick2.0]

Tom continues to whore for bush

[e-mail]

[Moderator]

37. link to thread 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=227386&mesg_id=227386&page=

[Jack_Dawson]

1. Gore set-up question by Brokejaw

Right out of the gate.

[spooky3]

3. Dean: No Repg has balanced budget in x years-GOOD pt

[Toucano]

Gore didn't do "more than anyone" to pass NAFTA!

The repukes had a lot to do with that. Bush 1 started it.

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. everyone is doing really well so far

Edwards is going slightly more negative than usual, but at least he's being subtle about it.

Dean looks really tired.

[lancdem]

6. I agree

they're all impressive.

[Myra]

4. Thanks spooky3. Jobs now. NAFTA. Asking Dean about Gore,

who endorsed NAFTA (true).

Dean: now we need to globalize rights of workers.
Raise standard of living elsewhere so people can make
a living everywhere.
Put the emphasis on fair traid not free trade.
Clinton only did half the job, forgot about workers.
Can't trust right wing w money.
Invest in small business!

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Dean up

Nafta question. Gore was instrumental in getting NAFTA passed and he endorsed you. Now he's explaining how to get jobs. Good answer!

[Jerseycoa]

10. Hail Gephardt!!

:toast:

[anti-NAFTA]

Dean came off so insincere.

Dean is a corporate puppet even though he pretends to be a champion of working rights. DK pointed out what baloney his answer was.

Hail Gephardt indeed.

[anti-NAFTA]

56. Dean came off so insincere.

Dean is a corporate puppet even though he pretends to be a champion of working rights. DK pointed out what baloney his answer was.

Hail Gephardt indeed.

[uconnyc]

7. Brokaw stinks! It's like he wants to steal the limelight.

nm

[Toucano]

12. Each question is set up on a false statement.

He's a ignorant pig.

I'm glad Sharpton called him on "Nation of Islam".

He looked like a dope!

[spooky3]

14. at least the questions are shorter than Fox's

[Renew Deal]

8. Why isn't Hamm at this debate?

I think he is scared of facing them.

[TexasPatriot]

13. lol

get WP to ask Hamm's press secretary - i'm sure he has his number

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. Obvious anti-Hamm bias

[spooky3]

9. Lieberman: China is ripping us off

[Myra]

11. Now Lieberman's saying...something...

whatever.

On edit:

Can't make a scapegoat of trade.
Can't build a wall around America.

[Jack_Dawson]

16. LOL - totally

[amandabeech]

15. Edwards on 9/11

Edwards supporters, please correct me, as I was listening and cooking at the same time. Did I hear Edwards link the Iraq war to 9/11?

Thank you,

amanda

[killbotfactory]

22. I thought I heard that too...

Can someone confirm?

[spooky3]

24. no

[mike1963]

77. I missed part of it and now I can't remember but I do know I heard somethi

something I damn sure didn't like...
too much multitasking...

[Renew Deal]

17. Let Kuciniich loose on Lieberman

[Jerseycoa]

21. Tom B's looking like a cornered rat

:D

[lancdem]

19. Lieberman sticks up for NAFTA

BUT attacks Bush's economic record while stressing Clinton's strong record as a contrast. :thumbsup:

[EllieDem]

33. This is really bad

Brokaw is making our party look terrible.

[lancdem]

49. You mean his questions?

[xultar]

20. Brokaw basically told Clark to shut up, why did he let Joe go on

and on and on and on and on

[Jack_Dawson]

I think Clark was rebutting - Joementum was asked an original question?

[xultar]

34. Dean just did a grimace, @ DK

Buy America or Bye Bye America

[countmyvote4real]

76. Whoa! Sharpton on honor for young to die

and then the burden of healthcare.


oops. Didn't scroll up far enough. This was supposed to be a reply to the open thread, not to the above comment.

[TexasPatriot]

23. comeon Kucinich

that's a softball...
people are used to low prices at walmart... you can hammer that one right between bush's balls.

[displacedtexan]

29. DK is great!

Buy America or Bye bye, America.

[dawgman]

42. strong answer from Kerry

[THUNDER HANDS]

25. Dennis Kucinich should be Sec. of Labor

In the new Dem. administration.

[SadEagle]

35. Dunno, Gephardt would be really good for that, too.

[Toucano]

89. Dennis needs to come back to Ohio

and take over one of our repuke senate seats.

He's got the national spotlight and could do it.

[MissB]

26. Buy America or Bye Bye America -- good one Dennis (nt)

[dawgman]

27. DK is the coolest man I will stick wiht him til the end END NAFTA AND WTO

[adamrsilva]

40. Great!

.

[Papa]

71. I love Kucinich!

I really think that he has the best policies to heal this world. I think the other candidates would all make this world a better place, but i really feel deep down that if we followed his vision, the world would reap the benefits for decades to come...

[Myra]

28. Kucinich now, on job loss, free trade.

Tom: But WalMart has great prices!

Kucinich: Need social consciousness.
Companies only care about cheap labor (he's missing the point
that people can only afford to shop at WalMart, so it's a damn
cycle!).
Must cancel NAFTA, they can't be fixed (in contrast to Dean).

Buy America or Bye Bye America! Good one.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Buy America or bye bye America...

good one Dennis. :)

[tishaLA]

31. Wow. VERY strong answer from Kucinich

trade agreements are written so they cannot be corrected. etc.

[goodhue]

32. buy america or bye bye america

[cosmicdot]

36. woo-hoo

:bounce:

[MuseRider]

47. So far

this is his best debate IMO. He is ready and smoking!

[liberalnurse]

38. Kucinich does have his pulse on NAFTA......

He is excellent on this issue.

I hated the NAFTA when it was passed, and remember Perot saying "You'll hear this big sucking sound of jobs leaving the US"....well he was correct.

[Myra]

39. Kerry, NAFTA's ok (I think he said), but need "level playing field"

This gov is backing off technical training.
Need to fight for trade, close loopholes, stop awarding
cos for taking jobs overseas.

[spooky3]

41. Kerry & Edw. good in their first few sentences, but need to stop there.

[stopbush]

43. Kerry - Benedict Arnold companies that ship jobs overseas

a great line gets no applause. Why?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

55. He deserved applause for this but his....

critisism of Wall Street obviously shows how un_American he is.

(satire)

[absyntheNsugar]

57. I agree that was a great line

should become our mantra

BENEDICT ARNOLD COMPANIES!!!

[Stephanie]

He should add the Benedict Arnold compnaies with their Cayman Island

tax shelters - let's fix that while we're at it.

[anti-NAFTA]

69. No applause because his plan

to punish companies that outsource jobs is inane. Businesses don't WANT to outsource; they're forced to outsource because they can either outsource or go out of business. That's why America needs tariffs.

[THUNDER HANDS]

44. this is Kerry's strongest debate yet

He's got his voice fully healthy, he looks energized and confident.

He's going to be very tough to beat.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

45. MOST of our candidates are aware of the reich wing bias...

in the "librul media" and are not taking this crap.

[spooky3]

58. Yep. & Edw. making good point about job training won't help

the 50 year old who can no longer support his family. Describes what else is needed.

[TexasPatriot]

46. Barn, twigs?

now Kerry is threatening to alter the tax code to get rid of incentives for overseas corps...

and now Edwards is doing his 'i'm the son of a millworker'

[displacedtexan]

53. Edwards is 50. Edwards is 50. Edwards is 50.

enough.

[uconnyc]

48. How many hours does it take Brokaw to ask a damn question!!!!

nm

[lancdem]

60. Asking Clark about prescription drug bill

ballooning the deficit. Liking his answer so far.

[stopbush]

65. Brokaw is as long-winded as he is ill-informed n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

66. Brokaw's supposed to moderate this debate, not

give opinionated speeches between the questions.

:puke:

I think all the candidates are doing great, with the possible of the self-righteous Lieberman. Bush would look like a blithering idiot next to any of them, and I hope that the next Dem who has to debate him doesn't hesitate to give him hell.

[xultar]

50. DK is on tonight, Clark is better, Al is awsome as always,

Kerry, Edwards and Dean look a little preoccupied.

Edwards knows this is too important and he's playing safe, giving a good answer on Jobs now. I wonder if his people are thinking now.

Kerry trying to look too presidental

Dean, had a tough week

[TexasPatriot]

51. 'I'm the son of a millworker'

time to drink

[Myra]

52. Edwards: This is personal to me. I grew up where mills closed and

saw what it did to families.
Tell a 55 year old man he'll be "retrained."
Families are in pain. We must fight to protect jobs!
Starting place, critical, have a prez who understands what
families are going thru.

[tishaLA]

54. "we need to start by recognizing the pain..."

these families are in"--Edwards.

I disagree. We need to start by stopping the pain.

[brainshrub]

59. I was just thinking that.

[spooky3]

67. One can't stop what one doesn't even see.

as * fails to see. Recognizing it is the first step to devising the right solution. That is E's point.

[Jack_Dawson]

61. Clark: "I would start over with a lot of things"

Applause!!! MSNBC forgot to mute it.

GENERAL SMACKDOWN

[in_cog_ni_to]

62. OOPs...the Medicare bill will cost 1/3 more

Clark ...will you tear up the Medicare bill and start over? "I will start over on a LOT of things this administration has done." Excellent! :bounce:

[xultar]

72. Why didn't Clark didn't get any applause? I don't understand?

Help me to understand

[Myra]

63. Clark, asked about deficit, medicare scheme.

Would you start over?

Explained what's wrong w medicare bill, must fix it,
lower deficit, ask wealthiest 'Mercans to sacrifice and
pay their share. We need leadership; don't have it now!

[xultar]

64. Clark getting a new question and he did well...

why now applause!

I don't understand

[xultar]

68. AL OMG GO AL!! n/t

[adamrsilva]

79. Clark, Sharpton, and DK are rocking!

Go guys, go!

[RafterMan]

78. He should've stuck with one part

He tried to answer two tough questions at once and diluted both of them.

Neither was badly handled, though.

[in_cog_ni_to]

85. This is a good debate.

He's actually asking legitimate questions. *sigh* I feel better now. My guy is doing great. :loveya: That's all he needs is a DECENT question and he CAN answer it because he is DAMN smart!

Go Wes!

[Myra]

70. Sharpton ON again.

How can it be an honor to send sons/daughters to die overseas,
but a burdon for rich to pay taxes.

He's on FIRE.
He's giving his plan.

Kick ass as usual.

[spooky3]

75. He has gotten in some great lines tonight.

[MuseRider]

73. God I love

Al Sharpton. He has such good ideas and is so fun to listen to.

[TexasPatriot]

Al is ROCKIN

public works... fix infrastructure... spend the money to fix this country....

he's really good :)

[DemNoir]

86. Lets not go overboard with the Sharpton love

The man is a crook and a fraud.

[TexasPatriot]

99. i'm not going to comment on that

but he'd be a damnsight better president that W.

I'd love to see him in a debate with W.

[gulfcoastliberal]

74. DK is da Man!

I believe he really would honor his campaign promises, unlike some of the other candidates who are married to multinational tax-dodging coporations. But I am all about ABB, yeah you know me!

[xultar]

80. I think the Botox is leaking into his brain j/k n/t

[KittyWampus]

81. Edwards slammed people in washington- OOPS he is one of them

stupid

[Toucano]

105. No he wants it both ways.

He's the insider outsider.


You're right about the conclusion, though.

[Myra]

82. Kerry on entitlements, social security, medicare

Chimpy wants to privitize SS and put it more at risk.
Critical issue is on health care costs themselves.
Part of solution of medicare problem.
Too much money going to adm and corps.
Need preventive health care.

Savings accounts isn't a plan (chimpy's "plan").

[THUNDER HANDS]

83. Kerry is wearing his lucky tie!!!!

Of course he's gonna win this debate tonight, he's got the lucky orange tie!

[displacedtexan]

94. Orange is the new red (Orange power tie)!

Red is passe.
I love that commercial about the nanotechnologist and the super model.

[Lurking Dem]

84. Every time Sharpton opens his mouth

gems fly out!

"Why is it an honor for these people to send their sons and daughters to die for their country yet it's a burden for rich people to pay their taxes here at home?" (paraphrased)

[xultar]

93. That is how the brain of a Preacher works

They can break it down so that you get the message,
That is what preachin is all about.

Those of you who haven't been to a Black church, GO. What Al is sayin I expect to hear on Sunday when I go. I love my people!

[in_cog_ni_to]

He is GOOD!

Press Secretary! :7

[TexasPatriot]

87. So far... Kerry sounds a LOT like he did 4 months ago

he's not really connecting well. I think he's leaving the door open.

[DemNoir]

92. This is pointless

Nobody can stand out in this circus

[Clark Can WIN]

127. I tend to agree

We need to cull the herd again. How about the top 4 plus Al? Keep Al because he's the greatest zing master up there.

[BootinUp]

95. You're statement

indicates a change, I have never seen Kerry "connect" in 5 months.

[David Dunham]

101. Kerry Is Doing Great

[stopbush]

103. I think he's had some great answers and catch phrases, but

it's hard to stand out when Sharpton and DK are on fire.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

88. Brokaw's actually asking about the issues. Think these are the best

debate questions yet...

[spooky3]

96. I think the qs are getting better as this goes on.

[Kathleen04]

100. Definately better

started off with the "will you drop out if if if..." questions, but then moved into some real q's.

[countmyvote4real]

116. I think this is a good debate.

While Tom started off trying to play "Gotcha," none of our candidates would play. They are standing up for themselves, so Tom has to back off.

Also, with just one moderator, he doesn't have to compete with others to come up with the best "Gotcha" moment.

[wroberts189]

90. Is there a web stream anywhere for the debate???

Thanks in advance...

[brainshrub]

98. It's VERY choppy.

I can barely make it out, and I have a cable modem.

[xultar]

102. Someone posted in thread 2 a radio webstream link n/t

[xultar]

108. Did he say increase payroll Taxes?!?!?!?!?!!? n/t

[brainshrub]

91. I still don't get Kerry's plan for Healthcare!

I don't care if it's more affordable...I don't have health insurance! How can I get preventative care? What difference does it make to me if the pills I need to live are $50 or $55 if I can't afford $25?

[displacedtexan]

104. www.johnkerry.com/issues

n/t

[slinkerwink]

97. I can't believe Kerry talked about keeping Medicare solvent when he

didn't vote against the Medicare bill that had most of its money go to insurance companies instead of to the people!

[Ivote]

110. Brokaw said Politeness in the south

Doesn't he remember that The 2000 election was more like "cut throat"

[LiberalBushFan]

106. NPR saying Clark and Edwards basically tied in NH

"but Edwards had a much higher favorable rating. People like him because he answer difficult question in an upbeat way. Clark, on the other hand, has a stridency to his answers."

[spooky3]

107. please go to thread 4

[DemNoir]

123. Brokaw scores the trifecta!

Slams Bill, Al and Hillary."Is it the Hillary factor?" what a jerk

[BootinUp]

118. Reminds me of an old Steve Martin joke

That America liked Carter cause he played a banjo and you can't be upset when you listen to banjo music.

strum 'a strum strum...Oh death, and crime, and sadness, and trouble..strumma strumm strummmmmmm. :)

[tryanhas]

120. 800 votes out of 200,000???

I would say that they did.

However, I would argue that Clark did much worse considering the fact that he was there for almost a month before the NH Primary, and Edwards focused on Iowa, and then after Iowa he split time between campaigning in NH and SC during last week.

Besides, Clark came down from over 25% to 12% and Edwards came up from 3% to 12%.

Clark did worse!

[TexasPatriot]

Dean touting health coverage record

going after Kerry... Kerry doesnt get results

[Toucano]

109. Why did Brokaw just insult Dean to the Southerners?

He said "This is the south, where a premium is on politeness."

[displacedtexan]

111. Dean can't talk about the nation... only VT.

Health care is a bigger problem for the nation than it was for a tiny state of white, working people.

[Democrats unite]

112. SLAM DUNK!

Dean just slam dunked Kerry!

[seaglass]

114. you spoke too soon!

[displacedtexan]

115. Wait for it. Incoming.

Bang!

[xultar]

113. Dean hits Kerry

Kerry, hits back




Dean didn't do well with that. He needed a little better research.

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. !Wow! Brokaw is rockin' with these questions!

I hope the WH house is watching. Dean.... 9 bills on health care that didn't pass. SMACKDOWN on Kerry! Kerry says Dean doesn't know how congress works. He's going as far back as AGENT ORANGE! Now that's far reaching! :eyes:

[xultar]

119. Hillary Factor? OK Brokaw is gonna get an ass whoopin! n/t

[xultar]

122. DK is on FIRE

GO DK!!!

[Baclava]

121. Kerry vs. Dean

Round 1...the gloves come off...

Dean throws the first punch...the crowd boos...

[spooky3]

124. GO TO THREAD 4 PLEASE

[xultar]

125. OK Joe is sick and tired...n/t

[Moderator]

126. link to thread 4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=227928

[in_cog_ni_to]

128. Lieberman drives me NUTS!

:crazy: