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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:15 PM
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Kerry isn't just running against Bush's record, he's running against his
own! I know many are probably sick and tired of hearing about Kerry's past votes, but people - this issue is important! We cannot nominate someone who voted for the war, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, missed the Medicare vote, etc. and expect people them have credibility with the American people. You can't vote for all these things and then criticize it. People will, quite frankly, just think you're an idiot (whether they acted the same or not). Nominating a person who voted for these things gives voters no incentive to vote for the Democrat over Bush, and really why should they? Why should we expect them to vote for us then?

Kerry supporters, you believe in your candidate and that's fine. But to all those who are or are considering jumping on the bandwagon, I ask you to reconsider - before it's too late.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:20 PM
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1. I agree 100 percent....
We MUST have a candidate who was not complicit in the rape of America. Kerry disgusts me everytime he opens his mouth-- I want to shout "Why didn't you fight that fight when you had the chance?!"
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:25 PM
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2. I'm finding it harder and harder to support Kerry if he is the nominee
especially after hearing about the questionable tactics his team employed against Dean.
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cavebat2000 Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:33 PM
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3. Very good quote
that yours?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:34 PM
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4. I agree. How the hell will he attack Bush?
He votes FOR the war, FOR the Patriot Act, FOR No Child Left Behind...where does he attack Bush? Choice in dental floss?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:37 PM
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5. So.......what are we going to do?
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 10:39 PM by buff2
They've pretty much destroyed Dean and you all know the media will finish him off. What choices do we have? Vote for the ones who are 1-2-9-15% in the polls? I want someone......and I don't give a damn if it's Mickey Mouse.....I want someone to beat that facist nazi occupying the Whitehouse....I can not handle another 4 years of this bastard. :nuke: Bu$h!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:43 PM
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8. Don't waste your time
Kerry is a 48 state loser vote for you local and if Dean will use his machine to try to elect real democrats at local level we can work with him on that. The assassination of Dean with the dirty tricks being used by everyone including DK, which I couldn't believe, means that they are enemies of freedom.
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:51 PM
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10. If after next week it looks like Dean has no chance, I'd support Clark
for many of the reasons that Clark supporters know very well. :) I will not support Kerry or Edwards (or Lieberman) if they get the nomination. I will work to make sure Bush is not re-elected, by donating to Moveon and so forth, but I will not donate to them nor vote for them in the GE (don't worry, I live in Texas, so my vote doesn't matter).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:38 PM
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6. Vote for Kucinich??
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 10:39 PM by sandnsea
This is just dumb. People want the portions of the Patriot Act that protect the country. They understand we're in a global economy. They understand the intelligence available in Oct 2002 and want somebody willing to be tough with people like Saddam, but smart about the way they would have done it. They don't want people who attack other candidates about issues they had no solutions to or don't intend to do anything about anyway. Kerry talks to mainstream Americans and that's why he's winning.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:02 PM
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13. Reality check ...
People want the portions of the Patriot Act that protect the country.

People do NOT want the patriot act! It is a civil rights abomination! It's not protecting the country, it's killing it. :nuke:

They understand the intelligence available in Oct 2002 ...

:wtf:
Everyone without dishonest motivations knew in 2002 that the "intelligence" leading up to war was just a sham. Now this is dumb. :argh:

BTW, Kucinich would be a wonderful president. :)
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:39 PM
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7. Voted for the war
Yep, and now both republicans and dems will try to draft my soon to be 17 year old son. I worked so hard not to let this happen too.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:02 PM
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12. Kerry on the draft
01/22/2004 The Union Leader and ABC News Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate - Part 1 Manchester, NH
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech.php?PHPSESSID=20619d58a97aed165054c93b64a62910&keyword=draft&phrase=&contain=&without=&type=search&can_id=S0421103&go2.x=10&go2.y=12

MR. GRIFFITH: Senator Kerry, in a speech at Drake University, you said in your first 100 days you would move to increase our armed forces by as much as 40,000 troops. You said there was a dire need for two full divisions. I'm the parent of two teenage sons. I-we're patriots, and people are wondering right now about voluntary versus draft. And, as president, how do you hope to lure and attract quality people into the military? And, as a follow-up, where do you stand on the issue of the draft?

SEN. KERRY: We don't need a draft now, and I wouldn't be in favor of it under the current circumstances. But, look, the first place you start to attract people into the military is to have a president who can prove to America that that president will be responsible about how that president deploys the military. All across this country there are families right now-all of us have talked to them-who are suffering greatly, because the Guards and Reserves have been called up. They're overextended. The troops of the United States of America are overextended. Their deployments are too long. The families are hurting at home because they lose money from the private sector when they're called up, and they get paid less in the military, and nobody makes it up to them. The fact is if we are going to maintain this level of commitment on a global basis-for the moment we have to, because of what's happened-we need an additional two divisions. One is a combat division, and one is a support division. And that's the responsible thing to do. I've also said, responsibly, that's temporary, because I intend to be a president who goes back to the United Nations, rejoins the community of nations, brings other boots on the ground to help us in the world, and reduces the overall need for deployment of American forces in the globe-and I mean North Korea, Germany and the rest of the world where we can begin to set up a new architecture of participation of other countries.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:04 PM
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14. I hope you're right
I just talked to two people who just got back from Iraq last month. One is being forced to go back in March and both believe we will have to draft soon OR if we invade another country immediately. We can't keep up this pace much longer.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:49 PM
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9. This is yet another paranoia post on John Kerry

Not only is this one typically packed with innuendo and half-truths, it also contains an appeal to reconsider.

As my late hero Barbara Jordan once said, "From what to what?"

Where is your defense of your own candidate. Why the breathless attack? Have you run out of things to talk about concerning your candidate? Give it a try. I'll listen.
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:53 PM
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11. After the thousands of "Dean us unlectable" and "Clark is a Republican"
posts from Kerry supporters and the like, you can take a little back.
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cavebat2000 Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 12:46 PM
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15. You cant defend your own candidate!
I defend Dean with his record and what he says. This is a perfect example of how you CANT defend Kerry's record.
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