Kerry wants CIA (Tenet) to take the fall for W on WMD

[robbedvoter]

"Kerry calls for Tenet's resignation"
Author    Antidolt        

Just reported on CNN. Sorry, Kerry, but you're a day late and many dollars short. Put the blame on Mame.
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=11&topic_id=8756&mesg_id=875 6&page
the press barely reported it:
"http://sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=c/a/2004/01/29/WMDS.TMP">http://sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/29/WMDS.TMP
The front-runner, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, speaking Wednesday as he flew to St. Louis to campaign in the Missouri primary, said Kay's testimony called into question the integrity of American intelligence, and he urged the administration to come clean.
During the debate, Brokaw asked Kerry:

BROKAW: Senator Kerry, Governor Dean has made a very serious charge against the vice president, saying that he went to the CIA. We know that he did that, but do you believe that he berated middle-level people at the intelligence agency to, in effect, shape the intelligence that he wanted?
As usual, Kerry hedged - vague agreement than change the subject:

KERRY: There is a very legitimate question, Tom, about what the vice president of the United States was doing at the CIA. There's an enormous question about the exaggeration by this administration.

But the most important point -- and I think this is the larger issue of how you choose somebody to run and to be president of the United States. The president gave guarantees not just to the Congress and to the American people, but to the world, about how he would conduct himself as president. "


The important issue tonight was : who was responsible for the WMD lies? Kerry skirted it.
Thankfully, Clark helped the truth:
This administration did not have its priorities right, and the president, not the intelligence community, and not the previous administration, President George W. Bush must be held accountable for that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/debatetranscript29.html

[meisje]

1. Kerry to Bush: You wash my back and I'll wash yours!

sad

[creativelcro]

15. Exactly: kerry knows he's dead meat on Iraq and he hopes that

by "closing one eye" Bush will close one eye too. Doesn't work that way... Bush is gonna use this to say "see, not my fault, told you' now, eplxain your flip flops on this Senator"...

[TheDonkey]

2. JK blasted spaceshrub and his thugs pretty well in that quote

Tenet DOES need to resign.
Bush DOES need beaten out of the whouse.

[isbister]

3. Kerry calls for Tenet's resignation

Isn't the same as:

"Kerry wants CIA (Tenet) to take the fall for W on WMD"

nor is it the same as:

Kerry calls for Tenet's resignation now to remove bush administration's scapegoat

[Postman]

4. Kerry better go after Office of Special Plans....

We all know about the existence of that office and its mission to cook the intelligence. If he's comfortable with just the resignation of Tenet then Kerry is covering for these lying bastards.

IF Kerry runs cover for Office of Special Plans, Cheney and the lies used as justification for invasion, I will not vote for him I don't give a damn if he were the last democrat on earth.

[WiseMen]

5. Rumsfelt, Wolfowitz, must go said Kerry. Bush must go. Why not Tenet?

Kerry was the biggest critc of Bush on his circumvention of the U.N. process and his rush to war. The intellegence disaster is also put at Bush's feet. But the CIA was delivering the same crap to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even under Clinton. Kerry has said the Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz should be fired. He plans to take out Bush himself. Why not Tenet?

Kerry opposed war, before the Vote, during the Vote, and after the vote. For many in congress the IWR vote brought Bush back from the brink of war into a U.N. process. John’s position was no different than that of the French, German, Syrian …. Ambassadors who voted for resolution 1441, but opposed Bush’s rush to war.

John Kerry's Statement on Iraq Before the IWR vote
TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR
October 9, 2002
…..

Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

. . . . . . . . .

If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent--and I emphasize "imminent"--threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs.

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

After the IWR vote, During U.N. Inspections
Senator John Kerry
Remarks Georgetown University
Thursday 23 January 2003
"Mr. President, Do Not Rush To War"

………

And, while American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision, I say to the President, show respect for the process of international diplomacy because it is not only right, it can make America stronger - and show the world some appropriate patience in building a genuine coalition.

Mr. President, do not rush to war!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012503A.kerry.no.rush.htm


After the war started:

April 4, 2003
''What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,'' Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library.

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/04/04.html

April 7, 2003
(AP) Presidential candidate John Kerry said Monday that democracy affords rival Democrats the right to criticize President Bush even with the nation at war.

The Massachusetts senator has come under a withering attack from Republicans for suggesting that the United States, like Iraq, needs a regime change. Traveling through Iowa, Kerry rejected what he called "phony arguments" from the GOP that political candidates should mute their criticism of the commander in chief.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/04/politics/main547730.shtml

Bush sidestepped process on war in Iraq, Kerry says


By Amy Fagan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES (July, 22, 2003)


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry yesterday said President Bush "circumvented" the process laid out in the congressional resolution authorizing action against Iraq, which Mr. Kerry supported in the Senate last year.



http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030721-103628-1890r.htm

[mhr]

7. Double Speak If Ever A Word Was Uttered!

eom

[mike_c]

12. voting with a forked tongue....

It's one thing to for Kerry to say he opposed the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, but words don't mean diddly when he used his one real authority-- his Senate vote-- to carry water for Bush*

[mhr]

6. This Is The Reason I Cannot Support Kerry, He Has Now Moved

into the Lieberman category.

If the Democrats insist on nominating Kerry, we will lose to GW!

[ModerateMiddle]

8. I strongly disagree that Kerry is giving W a "pass"

on the intelligence failures. Kerry has access to some of the insiders in the CIA and I would venture to guess that Kerry knows that Tenet *should* be fired, not for misleading the president but for going along with the neo-cons line about Iraq. Tenet didn't stand up for his agency's analysts. Tenet rolled over for W.

[Stuckinthebush]

9. If Tenet was complict, then he should resign

Kerry is right. It is not the CIAs job to prop up an administration. Regardless of the reason, if they provided faulty intelligence to the Congress and the President, then he should be held accountable.

I don't think Kerry is saying that Bush had no role in this, he is saying that, clearly, the intelligence data was wrong or cooked. Tenet was responsible for that.

[Monte Carlo]

10. Can Kerry ever do enough for some people?

That is the question. Kerry makes a solid first step, and people turn into glass-is-half-empty types.

[mike_c]

11. Kerry has to target Tenent to preserve his own credibility....

Think about it-- JK supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq. He can cast that support as "excusable" if he can convince people that his decision was the correct one considering the information he had to work with. Kerry is attempting to absolve himself by scapegoating the CIA. He can't scapegoat the administration because they don't have enough credibility to relieve Kerry of the burden of his own blame. Pointing fingers at dubya would be like saying that "I only did it based on the explanations of a known liar and fool." Only the CIA has enough credibiliby to accept Kerry's burden of guilt for the IWR.

[Skip Intro]

13. Coming from the same scapegoating position as bush

that's an interesting take, and sadly logical.

[Peachhead22]

18. Kerry is...

...forcing Shrub to defend Tenet. CNN has already reported that the admin has said "The President has confidence in Tenet" and (in not so many words) "Kerry calling for Tenet's resignation makes Bush asking for Tenet's resignation *less* likely."

Now if Shrub scrapegoats Tenet he's only admitting he placed faith in the wrong guy and is following the Dem's advice, and you know he would rather have rabid badgers gnaw at his nether parts rather than admit that.

There is even more damning information about the CIA coming down the pike. The 9-11 commission, the run up to Iraq war, etc. The CIA certainly weren't the only one's to &^%$ up but they're not blameless. Tenet truly is incompetant. Pointing that out does not take away from the administration's incompetance. It accentuates it. Bush is a figurehead. A very disengaged "manager" who relies too much on his subordinates for information. Add to that that we keep on proving that he's a lousy judge of character and competance in the people he hires as subordinates. This can *really* be hit on hard in the general elction. I can't tell you how many times during the '00 election I heard people say "yeah, he's not the shapest knife in the drawer, but he'll bring in a great team to help him out". For some time now that's been staggeringly disproven for all but the most oblivious dittoheads in the country.

Tenet is an albatross and Kerry has forced Shrub to embrace him.

<edited for spelling and clarity>

[sangh0]

14. "we need a regime change in the United States" - Kerry

Yeah, that sounds like a pass for W

[mikehiggins]

16. It also sounds like a slogan cribbed from MoveOn without

accreditation.

A lot of Kerry's current speeches sound familiar. That's because they have coopted concepts first brought forth by other candidates.

Kerry is a great guy, but he's a professional politician adept at having people read things into what he says that fill their own needs to be reassured.

What he really means to do is anyone's guess.

There's no there, there.

[WiseMen]

25. Kerry has made unpopular statements for 30 years. Please!

[sendero]

17. Saying...

... "I want his job" is somehow the pinnacle of honor and achievement? Yeah, sure.

[sangh0]

22. Do you have link for that?

Or is it your habit of making up statements and putting them in quotes?

[Terwilliger]

20. If the left wasn't poking the establishment with a stick...

Kerry wouldn't be saying any of these things. He'd be cowering under some mantra of "Get over it"

[sangh0]

24. Kerry said it long before you did, Terwilliger

and long before any of the other candidates

[Hawkeye-X]

19. Kerry is wrong on this and he knows it

He's just trying to lick his finger and point it up so to see which wind will blow his way. This ain't it. That's just * trying to blow Kerry's fingers, and by a virtue of idiocy, Kerry bought this bunk.

Hawkeye-X

[sangh0]

26. Do you have a link for that?

Or do you know Kerry know he is wrong because you are a mind reader?

[mmonk]

21. CIA should not be the fall guy

[Peachhead22]

28. Why not?

If they screwed up, they screwed up. If they told the admin just what it wanted to hear, didn't dissent loudly enough, or didn't scream from the friggen rooftops when the admin cooked intel then they screwed up. Monumentally.

Perhaps "The CIA should not be the ONLY fall guy" would be something we can agree on.

[CWebster]

23. So as not to be deleted, I will say this as politely as possible:

Kerry is passing the buck.

[sangh0]

27. "we need a regime change in the United States" - Kerry

Yep, that sure sounds like Kerry is giving Bush* a pass

[Fleshdancer]

29. It doesn't matter who headed the CIA. The admin. is to blame.

PNAC'ers will use every ridiculous sliver of "intelligence" they can to move foward with their sick cause. Hell, they've proved they'll distort intelligence like the infamous 16 words in the SOTU. Tenent was doomed from the start and it won't change just because he's fired.

Kerry, I don't see how getting rid of Tenent even begins to address the real issue.

[emulatorloo]

30. How does being PO'd at Tenet preclude being PO'd at Bush?

Tenet spun Cheney's poop into Gold and went up the hill and sold it.

I would love to see Tenet under some pressure - maybe then he will come clean and tell us what really happened w W and Cheney rather that just more sword falling.