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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:21 PM Original message |
Am I misunderstanding? DLC saying we fought to spread Democracy? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Spreading democracy"? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Heh heh heh...... good one.... nt. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Al From is an idiot who should have been sent back to the |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I would still say that the Republicans are much--much worse |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. The Successful Attempt to Destabelize the Progressive Movements |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
37. As A matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 03:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Haven't come to any firm conclusions.... yet... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
77. And the dog ate your homework |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
6. pretty pathetic isn't it? and some DUers stick up for this... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
7. Another gem from the DLC |
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elsiesummers (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
82. DLC top prospects are not Dems top prospects. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. Wow...hard to misunderstand it much more desperately..... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. So you like spreading Democracy also, Benchley? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yeah, floridian, I think democracy is a GOOD thing.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Making up lies about me is wrong. I don't worry anymore when you do it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. You are defending a theocracy that uses torture and death squads |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No, I'm defending the concept of democracy.... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. but you oppose Chavez, who is democratically elected |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Good point, IG |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:26 PM Original message |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
49. How the fuck did Chavez get into this? |
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jackbourassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
89. IndianaGreen...didn't you know? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 09:58 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I think I'll just scream "You HATE Chavez" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. So you actually think we're "democratizing" Iraq? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 08:34 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Tell us first why all those Iraqis voted.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. If enshrining Islam as the state religion is democratic, I'm Barbara Bush. |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
61. No one can build a straw-man like you, Bob |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. yes, you are misunderstanding... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. And then do it again in another Middle East country? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. the article does in no way suggest that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It most certainly does, it says it . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It's not a willful misinterpretation. She's right. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Thanks. Appreciate that. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. I don't at all see this article as urging Democrats to "join" in |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Well, two things: one, you can't possibly know MF's motives. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. when someone has over 24,000 posts |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 01:47 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Well, they're turning out to vote for people who want us gone. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #88 |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:49 AM Response to Reply #56 |
71. In order to win over democrats they cleverly |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. but when that democracy turns against US business interests... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. What about the lies about America's citizenry? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. I would agree that the majority of Americans hold liberal views |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Can you even name one elected Dem calling for immediate withdrawal? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
57. i suggest those of you fooled by Democracy talk in Iraq read this: |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
12. I wonder how much this vision of democracy includes the Iraqi people |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. they seem pretty enthusiastic about voting |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. one could argue that and I think there is some truth to that |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's no surprise to me.... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. DLC = GOP |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Indeed. |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
63. Same old, same old. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
30. My interpretation of the article is being questioned. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. The irony? The U.S. OVERTHREW one of the first Middle Eastern democracies. |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Oh, come on. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-21-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
92. If Iraq isn't the first genuine Arab democracy, who is? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. They lie to our faces, and some here STILL wonder why we hate the DLC? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
32. K/R! |
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The Judged (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
42. t/n !snaem eht seifitsuj dne ehT |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
43. When all this |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
44. what makes the Iraqi elections more democratic |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
47. You're not really misunderstanding anything. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
48. This group citicized Murtha and Pelosi in an earlier memo. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You mean after both of them had to vote against their "own" proposal |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. You mean the "clever" twisting of the proposal by the GOP... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. The proposal was ridiculous and it turned into a debacle |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Are you saying Murtha's proposal was ridiculous? |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:31 AM Response to Reply #50 |
70. The proposal that was brought to the floor |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 09:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Now who the fuck thought Murtha's proposal WOULD be brought to the floor? |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Every statement you just made |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. LOL! |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. What was a cunning plan? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
55. Yes, I believe you are misunderstanding. |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
59. goddamit -- He has affirned the framing. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
60. Why are the Republicans supporting this group of jokers?! |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
62. Shorter Al From: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
64. Not only did they criticize Pelosi and Murtha, but Dean as well. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 10:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Geeze, even Dean knows he fucked up.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Retaining an illusion about Iraq has cost us dearly. . |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Even Dean knows he fucked up. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Took what momentum from where? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I would use different words, but yes, you are right. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. And the dog ate your homework... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
83. It was this group of Chickenhawks (DLC) who assaulted.... |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-20-05 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
84. Thank you again, MF... |
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