Do you know how dangerous a Shrapnel wound is?

[trumad]

I posted this the other day but apparently it hasn't sunk into the few who still diminish John Kerry's wounds in Vietnam. Words like "superficial" and "minor" wounds are bandied about by folks who haven't a clue of what they are talking about.

First off let's get this straight for those who sit cozily behind their keyboards and spout this silly shit! Anyone...and I mean anyone who was in-country in Nam was in danger of losing their lives. The Viet Cong was heavily infiltrated in cities like Saigon and they were there to kill you not drink Sake with you. So those who giggle at Al Gores stint in Nam do so without the experience of a war vet. I've spoken to many Vets and they say if you were in-country during that war then you were certainly a Vietnam Vet.

Now let's discuss the silly nonsense of calling a shrapnel wound, "superficial"! Look below my rant and you will see 500 boots representing soldiers who died in Iraq! Now I'll bet you that nearly 1/2 of the dead soldiers most likely died from a bomb blast. Well.....guess how shrapnel disperses? From a bomb! That's right...A Bomb. It could be a pipe bomb, Mortar round or even piece from your Humvee... If it's metal/ steal etc...it's shrapnel!

So if John Kerry received shrapnel wounds in Nam and is here today to tell the story, he's one lucky MOFO!

So again! Diminish a Veterans wounds received in a War and you will be labeled a dumbass in my book!

[blm]

1. I believe James Rassmann's version of events. He said his boat blew up

when bombed and the debris is what likely woumded Kerry. He said Kerry was wounded when he pulled Rassmann out of the water.

[bearfartinthewoods]

8. the boat was hit. i don't recall hearing it was "blown up"

[blm]

21. Rassmann said it the first time I saw him in Iowa.

On Cspan.

[bearfartinthewoods]

36. if the boat blew up, how could kerry pull the guy out of the water into

the boat?

all this would be easier if kerry would just tell what happened.

[blm]

38. Rassmann's boat blew up, not Kerry's.

Kerry's boat was in the area. He had his boat go back and into fire when he thought he saw someone in the water.

[bearfartinthewoods]

39. OK...THAT MAKES SENSE!

that jives with what i heard...thanks

[creativelcro]

2. So, worse wounds make for better heros ?

Shouldn't it be the other way around ?

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[Darth_Ole]

4. Shrapnel wounds are dangerous..

I know from M*A*S*H!

If it turns out that people are going to Kerry because he was wounded, shame on them. Kerry fought heroicly, he saved the lives of his comrades, and then he refused his medals because he opposed the war. He showed a lot of courage and soul. But anybody can get wounded, and that shouldn't be an indicator of how well he'll govern.

[D G]

15. No one's making the claims you suggest

The point is not that Kerry is a better candidate because he was wounded. It's that people are disrespecting Kerry by showing their ignorance about the nature of shrapnel wounds. Why are they doing this? I guess they've given up on their own candidates. :shrug:

[creativelcro]

16. Shrapnel wounds can be deep and can be superficial

So, what's your point ? I got wounded while I was xeroxing a paper this morning... I have a paper wound, therefore I'm a hero...

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[sangh0]

33. How many lives did you save?

And how many enemy soldiers were shooting at you while you did it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Not Funny....

My dad was in WW2... He lost the sight of his right eye to a shrapnel wound in the North African theatre... He also contacted malaria...


He spent six months in Walter Reed Hospital where they performed several surgeries on his eye....They were able to cosmetically save the eye so he wouldn't need a glass eye but they couldn't save the sight...

And your little invective makes me think of the famous quote from Orwell that " tender men sleep safely in their beds at night because rougher men are ready to do violence on their behalf."

Peace04

Brian

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. How to miss the point 101

[D G]

12. No, far more advanced

I think it's a 500-level course ;)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. apparently.

doctorates available too no doubt.

[Jerseycoa]

6. You tell 'em, trumad

This is not a subject to play around with, not in wartime, not in peacetime, not in political campaigns; not ever.

[creativelcro]

52. So, it'a a taboo subject?

[Cheswick2.0]

7. Do you know how dangerous having a bomb dropped on your house is?

Tens of thousands of Iraqis citizens do.

[JVS]

9. I guess that makes them the real heros!

[trumad]

10. I agree with you 1000 percent

but I don't see a connection to my thread? If you want I'll start another thread with regard to that.

[polpilot]

11. Making America safe. 'Bombing. The RIGHT thing to do.'

Dean '04...

[bearfartinthewoods]

13. please....get real

any wound that does not pull you off duty can't be all that bad. one of his wounds pulled him off duty for two days...the others resulted in him getting treated and sent back to work.

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[bearfartinthewoods]

34. i HAVE BEEN shot. ........ has kerry been shot? ......NO

if the people who question the severity of kerry's wounds are sooo out of line, shy doesn't he just come out and say what the wounds were?

any i have no clue what you are talking about pipe bombs for.

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[bearfartinthewoods]

45. sweet tea....kery accuses vietnam vets f all sorts of things

rapes, murders, thrill kills. but i'm out of line for pointing out that scrpnel wounds can be severe or minor and that if they are severe enough to pull you off duty, they are probably minor.

all this could be ended if kerry just came out and cleared things up. the longer he keeps quiet about it the more curious it makes me.

[sangh0]

44. "any wound that does not pull you off duty can't be all that bad"

My best freind is dying from the complications of a wound he suffered in WWII. At the time, it didn't pull him off duty

[bearfartinthewoods]

47. my sympathies to you and your friend

no one, or at least, i am not saying that a wound may present later complications. i am saying that all schrapnet wounds are not serious as evidenced by the fact that at least one of kerry's scrapnel wounds did not pull him off duty and there has been no report of him suffering complications.

aw hell...the bottom line is, if he is going to daily tout his vietnam experience as a reason to vote for him, i think asking for details is far game.

on of the first flame wars i ever got into here was with a kerry supporter who claimed kerry served three tours in vietnam. now we know he actually served three months in country. there is a myth growing about his service and i think it's better cleared up now than later.

[sangh0]

48. "later complications"

He had complications from the moment he was injured, and hasn't had a pain-free moment since (and it's been 60 years). However, it didn't take him off duty, so I guess it's not serious. I know this because some guy on the Internet told me so.

i think asking for details is far game.

Ask away. But there's no need to dismiss the serious injuries patriots have had to suffer with.

[JVS]

14. Why must this Sobchakian stupidity go on forever?

He got wounded, what does he want a medal? Well, he got those.

[creativelcro]

19. .. and he tossed them too...

[RetroLounge]

17. I think no wound is minimal, especially if it is yours

I don't think if I was "grazed" by a bullet I would consider it minimal. There's no such thing as a small heart attack if it is YOUR heart attack. So I see where Trumad is coming from and agree to a point.

BUT:

No one has adequately explained how getting a shrapnel wound in Viet Nam equates to Foreign Policy experience. Or how sitting on a committee in Wash DC equates to foreign policy experience.

[bearfartinthewoods]

37. bingo

No one has adequately explained how getting a shrapnel wound in Viet Nam equates to Foreign Policy experience.

[elixir]

22. And your point?

[creativelcro]

24. I think I'm a hero today! I got a paper wound, and it's MY wound!!!

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[creativelcro]

LOL: honored, I must be the frontrunner. Thank you for demolishing

I's better to start from scratch than renovate.

[trumad]

28. Oh BTW:

go get you a Barney Bandaid for your papercut.

[creativelcro]

30. No way. I want my medal!

[JVS]

32. Screw the medal! You deserve nothing less than to be President!

[creativelcro]

42. I know, I know, my followers keep saying that...

[TLM]

46. one metal? Hell you deserve three...

I love how Kerry defenders try to go off on the POSSIBILITY of being seriously wounded by shrapnel...as if that has anything to do with Kerry.

Kerry's wound in this instance got him 2 days down time. I can concede he deserved a purple heart for getting injured while saving another soldier... but my problem is not with that purple heart.

My problem is with the other two purple hearts he got in the 3 months after that which Kerry won;t disclose how he got... but the records show no down time and that Kerry was never listed unfit for duty as a result.

3 purple hearts in 4 months for what are clearly minor injuries so he could transfer out of combat.

If Kerry wants to run on his service record, these are valid questions that he needs to answer. THere are folks on this board who thought 3 purple hearts meant he was shot 3 seperate times.

[JVS]

31. You could have died!

[creativelcro]

41. You are kidding, but I have a serious blood condition that

prevents my blood from clotting. I could definitely die of a small wound...

[bearfartinthewoods]

53. i thinki it is wise of you to be upfront with your medical history

so your supporters can be well informed.

creativelcro for prez:evilgrin:

[trumad]

27. My point is is that this forum has a few idiots

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[creativelcro]

49. That is my point as well.

[Colin Ex]

23. I couldn't agree more.

I don't usually nod in agreement with Trumad, but I gotta give you props here, man.

You get fucking shot or hit by steel coming at you, and you survive, you're very lucky. If people talk shit about you because getting shot wasn't hardcore enough for their tastes, that brings up more question about the questioner than you.

C

[sangh0]

35. Definition of "superficial wound"

The wound someone else got

[henslee]

50. I agree Al Shrapnel can inflict serious damage.

[tedoll78]

51. I've been in radiography clinic for 2 weeks now..

and I've already x-rayed a patient's chest to reveal decades-old shrapnel in his shoulder (close to his left lung). According to him, it gives him sharp pains once in a while. That's quite a burden.