Soros Backs Kerry & Battles Bush,: GOP Calls For Ban on Big 527 Donations

[WiseMen]

Rumor has it that George Soros, formerly “keen on Dean,” today in London promoting his book “The Bubble of American Supremacy,” is quietly ecstatic at John Kerry’s emergence as the front runner. He now believes Kerry is the strongest democrat to defeat President Bush, a goal which, Soros says, “is the central focus of my life."

The Soros factor in the campaign against Bush is such a serious matter that the Republican party is now lobbying the Federal Elections Commision (FEC) to “Stop Soros.”

Going against their recent failed argument to the Supreme Court the GOP is now urging a widening of the interpretation of the ban on 'Soft Money' to include the '527' Organizations that Soros is supporting. The RNC claims in its petition that more than $300 million could be funneled by Soros and his ilk to pro-Democratic groups to pay for voter mobilization and TV ads in this year's elections.

The republicans have in the past counted on money as their not-so-secret weapon to change the outcome of elections. This year, progressive groups such as the League of Conservation Voters, the Sierra Club and MoveOn.org, America Coming Together, and America Votes are quietly building the infrastructure to undertake the kind extensive door-to-door grassroots voter contact operation on which the ability of the Democrats to retake the White House and Congress could turn. And they are counting on large funding coming from the likes of George Soros who are truly worried that "America, under Bush, is a danger to the world."

So, lets not dismiss Soros, his new excitement over John Kerry, and his “matter of life and death” campaign against Bush. It may be just what these desperate times call for.

Last November (WP, 11/11/2003) Soros was asked whether he would trade his $7 billion fortune to unseat Bush.

Soros opened his mouth. Then he closed it. The proposal hung in the air: Would he become poor to beat Bush?

He said, "If someone guaranteed it."


John Forbes Kerry, war hero, 4-term Senator, warts, Purple Hearts, Silver Star and all, may come the closest to providing you and I, the voters of Iowan and New Hampshire -- and George Soros -- with that guarantee.

[aquart]

1. Patrician? Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

What is he? Second generation American? Patrician? Just the idea that this inbred nobility garbage might be considered a plus is making me nauseous.

Isn't that the scummy word they use for Bush I?

This is the Presidency, not American Idol.

[WilliamPitt]

2. I think "patrician" sits in the same adjectival category as "warts"

but that's just a guess.

[WiseMen]

41. Thanks Will. I scratch the word anyway. Too bad one has to write

to accomodate such contrarian minds.

[Toucano]

4. "Aristocracy" would be better? n/t

[WiseMen]

8. patrician is the Repub and anti-Kerry slam -- i.e. Ivy educated, elite etc

of course, all of us know Kerry is just one of us folk. One of the
guys at the bar etc.

Anyway, I edited out for your benefit. Does that change things?

[frustrated_lefty]

9. Soros is far from a patrician.

It's unkind to portray him so. If I recall correctly, his family moved here from Austria during the buildup to WWII. He, more than most of us, probably has a decent sense of the threat presented by fascism. And he, unlike any of us, is offering millions, if not billions, to prevent a second rise of fascism. It is unfair and inaccurate to describe him as "inbred nobility garbage."

[WiseMen]

13. Who portrayed Soros as Patrician? Certainly not I

[frustrated_lefty]

16. Sorry, Wisemen, I was responding to Aquart

who said: "What is he? Second generation American? Patrician? Just the idea that this inbred nobility garbage might be considered a plus is making me nauseous."

Nothing in what you said was off base in THIS post. ;) My sincere apologies, I thought I was responding to Aquart.

FL

[WiseMen]

42. Apology accepted.

[PassingFair]

3. Move to strike!

Posting a thread that begins "Rumor has it"?

WTF?

[aquart]

5. I was just about to get to that. Soros hasn't said anything, HAS HE?

[WiseMen]

10. He has given some interviews in London I heard

[PassingFair]

17. ooohhhh

thanks, now I'm convinced

This just in:

Rumor has it Soros and Kerry were hot tubbing together, amidst the fragrant bubbles, they decided to tie the knot in Vegas. Britney Spears stood as witness.

[WiseMen]

19. I didn't hear that rumor and I am pretty tied into the rumor mill - more?

[PassingFair]

20. OK, Rumor has it

Kerry had a botox overdose. Syringes were found beside the hot tub. Authorities are searching for Soros and Teresa Kerry for questioning.

[veggiemama]

53. Sources for Soros statements . . . .it's big news here in Yurp . . .

He is serious, folks!

"Soros's Deep Pockets vs. Bush"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24179-2003Nov10?language=printer

"The billionaire who is stalking George Bush"

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/30/1075340842951.html

"Money talks"

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/30/1075340842614.html

"The US is now in the hands of a group of extremists"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1131132,00.html

"Soros prepared to dig deep to oust Bush "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1131132,00.html

"Soros lashes Bush with warning of post-election blues for US economy"

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=486381

"Soros's tilt at Bush makes case against dollar"

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/story.jsp?story=486382

"He makes markets move. Now can he bring down Bush?
Over dinner in Davos, George Soros tells Irene Hell why the American President is 'a danger to the world'"

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/comment/story.jsp?story=486382

[WiseMen]

39. He Has. Not generally available sources. I am sure interviews will come

out in the next few days.

[Raya]

58. Saw something from the bloomberg wire on DU

[WilliamPitt]

6. Between 88% and 91% of all the LIHOP threads begun in General Discussion

have the words "Rumor has it" implicit in the first line of the text.

[aquart]

7. This isn't General Discussion. Is it?

[Raya]

24. Think it is GD 2004. Looking for a winning Pres Candidate?

[PassingFair]

11. Oh, OK, be right back... gotta go start a new thread

Rumor has it...Dean to take election.

[stickdog]

12. Soros & Kerry are two peas in a pod.

Rich, powerful and overwhelmed by their sense of entitlement.

[corporatewhore]

14. I agree when did neoliberal=liberal?

[WiseMen]

57. Kerry has not tried to be 'orthodox." But his votes are usually progressiv

[frustrated_lefty]

18. Soros deserves no criticism.

Soros earned his wealth and tries to use it to make the world better. Kerry....well, I think his attitude to wealth is different.

[corporatewhore]

22. he deserves criticism for promoting the neoliberal agenda

[Raya]

61. Is independent thinking always wrong?

[Raya]

23. Soros and "his Ilk" is my hope for being able to work full-time vs Bush

[Raya]

28. Is this Good? I like peas.

[sandnsea]

31. Spending millions for the country

That is patriotism. I cannot believe some people. Where would we be without wealthy people putting their money where their mouth is? We need them. Why would you turn away help from decent people?? If a doctor was a millionaire would you forbid him from doing surgery on you? :crazy:

[WiseMen]

35. Sad, they attacked Kerry for risking his own money in his campaign

Dean could have gotten some money from his family trust as well.
He did not.

[polpilot]

36. I think it would be GREAT if SOROS bought the election and I really

wouldn't care whom he bought it for. It's funny as hell to have someone like Soros willing to pop down a $1 bil to stir it up.

Dean '04...The Decent Party

[WiseMen]

65. Dean went to him for a lucrative fundraiser. Kerry did not.

[frogbison]

15. Just WHAT is wrong

with sponsoring "voter mobilization?" Isn't it important to urge more Americans to become involved in the process that determines how their lives will be lived?

[Raya]

21. Voter Mobilization is Dangerous if Voters don't vote for Dean I guess

[Sensitivity]

25. Wish we could all be focused on grass-roots political education

rather that all the attacks and slimy stories

[Hoppin_Mad]

26. Er . . . What's your SOURCE Wiseman ? A LINK maybe ? Thanks -nt-

[Sensitivity]

27. WiseMen has had pretty good Intelligence to date. Remember when

he explained why Dean would not get the nomination. Everyone on the
board thought it was a joke, including me.

He was sure right about the barage of attacks and may still be
right about Howard come March. Who knows.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Soros: the man that financed a coup in the Republic of Georgia

and that has been involved in shady deals with criminal elements in the Balkans.

The 2004 Election is beginning to look like a choice between two gangster families: the Al Capone thugs of Bush/Cheney, and the Bugsy Seigel thugs of Kerry/DLC.

[frustrated_lefty]

30. That is out of line.

I support Dean, and Soros is backing Kerry, so this isn't partisan crap. Look at his life, Soros deserves accolades.

[Raya]

32. Hey but. This is America, what do you expect.

(sarcasm)

But seriously, we Dems are a once in a lifetime fight for the
future of our country.

Regardless of what else you want to say about John Kerry, he seems
to be a disciplined soldier in this fight. He seems less likely to
screw up than any other the others on the stage.

[bicentennial_baby]

33. Bingo!

I'm sorry but the enemy of the enemy, in this case, is most definitely NOT my friend. Soros is a plutocrat more interested in power and influence than anything else.

[Tinoire]

46. I'm telling you BB! And I mean it! n/t

:thumbsup:

[WiseMen]

34. A Bloodless Coup, I believe. Better than Bush's 2000LB Bombs

that seems to be his preferred means of regime change.

I wish we had done a coup in Iraq. Would have save thousands of lives, billions of dollars, and not wasted a great civilization.

We, America, are f**ing global criminals, a we complain about
"Al Capone." It is totaly ridiculous.

[WilliamPitt]

40. Bugsy Seigel built Vegas

Fun fun fun!

:)

[Tinoire]

44. Thank you IG. Also the man who stole from BILLIONS of

hard-working people in England, Asia, Ukraine, Belarus, Indonesia, Malaysia by devaluating their currencies.

War in Yugoslavia? Look no futher than the Trepca mines (the richest precious metals mine in ALL of Europe)- they now belong to Soros.

Did you own a tech stock that went belly up when Soros decided to dump all of his in a single day 3 years ago? Oh yeah, right- thank you Soros. International thief and destroyer of innocent lives all over the world.

Soros... George Bush... Harken energy...
Soros... Clinton... Yugoslavia...
Soros... Carlyle...


Quite a few little stories there!

===
While chatting with one of his employees, I said to her, "One day, you should ask Soros what he knew about the Harken deal and why his company took on Bush." She blanched and mumbled that she could never raise that with Soros.

Later, when I saw the billionaire almost alone, I sidled up to him. "Nice offices," I said. "But can I ask you about some ancient history?" Sure, he said, with a good-natured smile. What was the deal with Harken buying up Spectrum 7? I inquired. Did Soros know Bush back then?

"I didn't know him," Soros replied. "He was supposed to bring in the Gulf connection. But it didn't come to anything. We were buying political influence. That was it. He was not much of a businessman."

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=82

[corporatewhore]

48. What Tinoire said!!!

[mzmolly]

37. When he is no longer *quitely* ecstatic, I'll believe it. He was openly

ecstatic about Dean...

[Tinoire]

47. Soros needs to stay OUT of our country's politics.

We are not some cheap Eastern European or Asian country he can buy for a few million.

Or are we?

It's sadly the same MO when you compare what he's doing here to what he tried to do in Russia or did in Ukraine or Georgia.

[corporatewhore]

51. what tinoire said

[mzmolly]

55. I would tend to agree if wealthy Republicans did the same...

But since they don't, I would like to see a few more George Soros'ssss helping with the defeat of Bush.

Imagine if someone like Soros came along and ran ads free of charge to promote the Green Party because he believed in what the party stood for? I think many would welcome it.

[corporatewhore]

59. if he believed in the things GP stood for he wouldnt be George Soros

[WiseMen]

64. Kerry is the one who did not accept a Soros Fundraiser. Dean Did.

[mzmolly]

38. By the way, got any link/proof that your OP title is correct? I don't see

it anywhere here.

I could just as easilly say "soros is quietly uneasy about Kerry being the frontrunner"....

[WiseMen]

63. Thank for trusting me molly.

[Tinoire]

43. What a joke/

Do you know what Soros' gift to the Democratic Party is?

It's the equivalent of $54 from someone making $60,000/yr.

That's some &^%(ing commitment! Some "central focus of my life".

Jeez- wake up Democrats. It ain't shit. It's $54 dollars on a crap table to safeguard his investments and ensure that the US imperialism from which he has so handsomely profitted, marches on.

If you don't like Reagan's NED - you should not like Soros- that's one of his babies. There is NOTHING humanitarian about that Hungarian. Oh yeah... Soros and his good Russian friend Khodorovsky ((oil mafia-man that Putin threw in jail the same week he threw Soros out of Russia)) are both Carlyle men. Is that who we want financing the Democratic Party?

[WiseMen]

49. We just need another 10 people to donate $54 then. Right?

[Tinoire]

52. Bwahaha! That is cute! Yepper I guess. Just no strings attached! n/t

[sangha]

45. Bush* is scared

Why else would Bush*, a Repuke, call for limits on campaign cash.

[Sensitivity]

50. Is it really possible for the Repubs to block the Dem money?

Is the FEC to say something about this soon?

[WiseMen]

54. Yes, They have Filed to Put the 527 Donations Under the $2000 Limit

The Dems of the FEC board are tying to post-pone decison till after
the GE and the Repubs are trying to force review and decision over
the next several months.

[Tinoire]

56. As much as I dislike Soros- that is just plain wrong! n/t

[Raya]

60. Kerry will need all the help he can get. The Dean Attack dogs are loose

[wabeewoman]

66. I'd be worried about the rove/bush

attack dogs. Dean is just speaking the truth. If the truth is hard, how is Kerry going to handle the lies.

[Phelan]

62. regarding your sig

AFAIK Kerry no longer has those purple hearts since he threw them back while marching with people that were spitting on uniformed veterans.

[anti-NAFTA]

67. Warts? What the hell?

I heard Dean confess to having warts two weeks ago, and now you're telling me that Kerry has warts? Why on earth would you want to tell voters that?

[Raya]

68. Think we have to find something neg to say. Kerry is so perfect