This is why I like Dean......

[slinkerwink]

<snip>
I am sitting in a mini van in Tucson surrounded by hundreds of people who are waiting to say hello to the Gov. He just spoke at a rally with well over 2,000 people!! The Gov gave a terrific speech. He called John Kerry "a special interest clone." The crowd went wild!
<snip>
http://blog.deanforamerica.com

This is why I still like Dean and am for him all the way! He's definitely going after Kerry the hypocrite with all guns blazing....

Look at this homemade commercials by a Dean supporter on Kerry's hypocrisy.

100K
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~gsbarkin/Dean100.wmv

300K
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~gsbarkin/Dean300.wmv

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Howard Dean should open his records so that we can see who....

he really is. Maybe he is just like Bush with his records???

:eyes:

[slinkerwink]

2. Dean's records are 60% public, and the rest is being vetted by an

independent judge.

[mzmolly]

15. Do be certain to inquire about the numerous Govs across the nation

who have also sealed their records to protect their constituents.

[XanaDUer]

34. See post #29

Dean has quite a record...and this is the OPEN stuff.

[EllieDem]

3. I Hope Kerry reminds the people

over and over if Dean's record is so GREAT in Vermont - why not UNSEAL those papers? Whats he hiding? And he can't claim consitutents privacy because we find out you CAN release papers and leave those people out!!! What say you now Dr Dean?

[EllieDem]

5. Wrong ...Dean told us he is leaving it up to a judge

then we find out his lawyer is ASKING for the Judge to keep them sealed. Ha Ha Dean is caught

[cavebat2000]

You really have no defence for your candidate do you Ellie?

[Eloriel]

72. It's not HIS lawyer -- it's the Attorney General, representing

the State of Vermont, which is his job.

Dean doesn't HAVE his own representation and to call the AG "Dean's attorney" is viciously inaccurate.

[slinkerwink]

6. your request is off-topic........

[blm]

97. ON topic please post proof of corporate pac money to Kerry or admit truth

that the money donations were NOT from special interest pac money or corporate pac money as you want people to believe.

Admit that those figures came from lumping together all individuals who have donated by profession or workplace, thereby misleading people on purpose.

[ALago1]

4. He may have a cogent case against Kerry

I didn't look at the links b/c I'm currently on dial-up.

Regardless of whether or not Dean can show Kerry to be a "special interest clone", I think it is a mistake to turn his strategy toward fierce negativity.

It backfired on Gep and Dean in Iowa, and would expect it to do the same around the country.

[EllieDem]

9. Lets talk about his new man NEEL

who was a lobbyist for "special interests" back in the 90s!!!!!

[PassingFair]

13. Let's talk about YOUR man Kerry...

who is a promoter of special interest NOW.

[Zinnola]

53. Also...

Wasn't there something about Kerry receiving the most support of lobbyists????? HMMMM .. makes you wonder.

[sangha]

101. Environmental lobbyists and inion lobbyists

Now Kerry's gonna have to fight to protect workers and the environment. Oh no!!

[slinkerwink]

10. I'd rather Dean take Kerry down fighting, than for Kerry to get

the nomination.

[blm]

16. Kerry's donations are over an 18 year period.

He never took corporate pac money or special interest pac money.

Those donations are from INDIVIDUALS who have been lumped together by the companies they work for.

The Dean camp knows this because they are the ones who did the lumping. This could be done against ANY of the candidates to make them look bad.

If Dean wants to name one CORPORATE PAC donation to Kerry than please do. But, no...all he does is the same old pattern of DECEIVING gullible audiences.

[Eloriel]

80. A distinction without a difference, AFAIC

These "individuals" who just happen to work for Lobbying firms, are bundling the contributions they can raise for Kerry. It's just a way to go around the rules and also allow the good Senator -- the good and oh, so, CLEAN Senator -- to say (without any intellectual honesty whatsoever) that he doesn't take money from PACs.

Games. Technically accurate, contextually dishonest. And no doubt lots of contempt for those of us who are so stupid as to not get it.

[Anwen]

17. I sort of agree...

negativity doesn't resonate with most people. However, if he wants to beat Kerry, he's got to voice their differences. Being Mr. Nicey at this point would accomplish nothing.

[slinkerwink]

18. exactly---Dean's got to make people sit up and take notice....

[XanaDUer]

24. But , isn't that one of Gov. Dean's problems?

Once a lot of people start taking notice of him and his past and his sealed records, they may start getting uncomfortable with his candidacy?

:shrug:

[Anwen]

64. His past?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Don't all of the candidates have some sort of "past" ?

I have heard just about every negative thing there is to hear about Dean, and it hasn't made me a bit uncomfortable. In fact, I would feel more uncomfortable voting for someone who supported the war and the Patriot Act, for example.

(Edited spelling)

[quinnox]

7. Dean up to old tricks

Dean is very good at name-calling. Unfortunatley for him, it seems that appeals only to a niche group of youngish supporters.

[UrbScotty]

8. You like Dean all you want. I LOVE him.

:-)

[slinkerwink]

12. I love him too----he's still giving 'em hell!

[blm]

23. slinkerwink, post Kerry's corporate pac or special interest pac donations

and explain how Kerry is a "hypocrite" for the record.

[slinkerwink]

31. look at this new york times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31DONA.html

[blm]

50. No. You post the corporate pac donations or admit the truth.

.

[AntiCoup2K4]

39. No he's not!

He's giving them the truth. They just think it's Hell :) (shamelessly stolen from President Harry Truman)

[Gin]

19. I support Dean until the process is over..wherever that leads us...

Kerry would be just a different face in the white house...I want different ideas and a person willing to make them happen.

Dean set the agenda for the others...they couldn't even come up with anything until Dean brought out what the public wanted. He is a mover and a shaker. The thugs DID NOT want him to be the candidate. The press has been unmerciful. Dean has been fired on and stands tall.

Dean rebounds and stays in the fight. He has my support!

[slinkerwink]

22. same here too!

[frustrated_lefty]

11. Slink

You're great, and I love the vast majority of your posts. I don't think it reflects well on Deanies to start a post "This is why I link Dean" and then follow with the only bolded message being a criticism of another Democratic candidate.

You are well aware there are MANY reasons to LOVE Dean.

Balanced budgets.
Universal Healthcare.
Civil Unions.
Drastically reduced child abuse.
40% increase in funding primary education.

Please don't start a thread "This is why I like Dean" if you aren't going to focus on the positives. If you want to be critical, please let it be clear you are doing so in the subject.

[slinkerwink]

14. I said this is why I liked him because he's doing well at pointing

out hypocrisy in Kerry, and well, I'm just reminding others here that Kerry isn't the perfect candidate.

[EllieDem]

20. Dean is doing just what the Right wing wants him to

cause huge "in fighting" among us.

[slinkerwink]

25. kerry already started that-----------he has a glass jaw.

[blm]

48. HAHAHAH...that's what Nixon, Reagan and Bush thought, too.

Keep thinking that, slinkerwink.....you and Dean keep claiming that about Kerry while you're picking up those shards of very thin glass at Dean headquarters.

[PassingFair]

35. No, you're doing a nice job of that...

all by your self.

[janx]

28. It's time for Dean to fight back.

During many of the "debates," he took it and took it and took it, trying to remain decent about it all. And then there was the under-the-radar type of thing that went against him in IA and NH as well as the Osama ad.

None of the other candidates will own up to this, of course.

Furthermore, if Dean's message is about anything, it's about the changes that need to be made in D.C.. Kerry is the very embodiment of the problem.

[frustrated_lefty]

37. As I said

I really like most of your posts. So please don't take this as criticism. The post you started this thread with, I think, would carry more weight if there were a single clearly positive thing stated about Dean's stance. Attacking Kerry for hypocrisy....there may be a point there, and I suspect there is, BUT that kind of statement is never going to win support for your candidate. And it's not a reason to like anyone. There are reasons to like Dean. His ability to recognize candidates flaws is something to respect, but it's not something to like.

I'm backing off on Kerry, I think the Kerry supporters have taken a beating here the last few days (and they need to be prepared for more of that, because it's coming ). Enough Kerry supporters have spoken here to convince me their hearts are into this man, and I can't go into full attack mode when these people are showing good faith. In the future, I may offer criticisms against Kerry, but it will be in the form of "this is something you guys need to be prepared to defend against.

[NNN0LHI]

21. The governor appears to be continuing the tactic of name calling

I guess when you find something that works you stick with it?

Don

[slinkerwink]

26. it's highlighting the hypocrisy in Kerry

[XanaDUer]

29. Kewl! Here's some Dean hypocrisy!

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/266577.shtml

The above link brings you all this and more:


Published on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
Howard Dean: Hawk in Dove’s Clothing?
by Stephen Zunes


Published on Monday, April 14, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
As Baghdad Falls Howard Dean Folds Back into the National Security Establishment
by Charles Knight



"Former Vermont governor Howard Dean has sided most closely with the Bush administration, endorsing the National Governors Association policy, which opposed the Kyoto Protocol unless it included mandatory emissions cuts for developing countries. The policy recommended that the United States "not sign or ratify any agreement that would result in serious harm to the U.S. economy."


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
JUNE 3, 2003
3:23 PM
CONTACT: Marijuana Policy Project
Bruce Mirken, 202-462-5747 x113
Medical Marijuana Becomes Presidential Campaign Issue Granite Staters for Medical Marijuana Begins Organizing in New Hampshire

"Vermont Gov. Howard Dean killed a medical marijuana bill that was on the verge of passage in 2002, ignoring pleas from the medical community, AIDS patient groups, and others."


February 22, 2003
Meet Howard Dean
The Man from Vermont is Not Green (He's Not Even a Liberal)
by MICHAEL COLBY

"As the son of a wealthy Long Island family (his father was a prominent Wall Street insider), Dean's used to having his golden path well greased. After dutifully attending Yale and then medical school, Dean looked for a state to launch both a private medical practice and a political career. He chose Vermont as much for its beauty as its lenient mood toward carpet bagging politicians, thus joining Brooklynite Bernie Sanders as a born again Vermonter.

[slinkerwink]

32. I already knew that Dean's a centrist

:nopity:

[XanaDUer]

38. Heh, heh

CENTRIST? Is that the new term for DINO?

[Eloriel]

83. I'd LOVE for some DINO to come along and

make sure all children are coverd by healthcare, and 90+% of the rest of us as Dean did in VT; I'd love some DINO to create a national program that has cut child abuse in VT by 50% and child sexual abuse by 70% and which WILL shortly decrease prison growth and all the costs that go with the crimes that put people in prison (and which are associated with highly dysfunctional people just short of prison); I'd LOVE for some DINO to balance the national budget 11 times in a row while cutting taxes twice; I'd love for some DINO to make recycling a civic virtue and put aside millions of land that can never be developed; I'd love for some DINO to make sure all children have access to the same educational opportunities because they all get the same money to their schools; etc.

I don't care what you call Dean (and he doesn't much either), this man has a track record of accomplishment like we haven't seen in my memory if not my lifetime. He's a thinker/doer, a superb negotiator, a gifted administrator, and utterly dedicated to what he says he wants to do for America, including taking it back from special interests for The People.

[blm]

36. Prove that it's special interest or corporate pac money, slinkerwink.

Because Kerry never accepted pac money. This lumping together of all the INDIVIDUAL donors by profession and workplace is a deliberately misleading CAMPAIGN TRICK.

Why not use the SAME formula for adding together Dean's individual donors?

Care to expend some honesty in that venture?

[XanaDUer]

40. "Why not use the SAME formula for adding together Dean's...

individual donors?"

Good question.

[slinkerwink]

43. check this NYT times article

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31DONA.html

[blm]

45. No. Post the corporate pac donations or admit the truth, slinkerwink.

.

[blm]

54. No reply, slinkerwink?

.

[slinkerwink]

56. why do I have to provide the burden of proof---shouldn't YOU educate

YOURSELF about your candidate's PAC contributions?

[blm]

57. YOU are the one making the accusation of hypocrisy.

According to the board rules, if you make a claim against a candidate, you must back up that claim with proof.

Since Kerry has never taken corporate pac money or special interest pac money, and even the Boston Globe failed to find pac money in his campaigns all these years, I'd like to see how you back up your claim.

Are these figures compiled by lumping together all the individual donors by their professions or workplace?

Do you have the figures for Dean using this same formula?

Was your post calling Kerry a special interest hypocrite based on these figures meant to be misleading or were you unaware of how they were formulated? I am willing to accept that you were unaware of the formulation before you posted and would accept a retracting post.

[slinkerwink]

59. here's another link to yet another article

Anti-Special-Interest Campaign Contrasts With Funding
By Jim VandeHei

Saturday, January 31, 2004; Page A01

Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), who has made a fight against corporate special interests a centerpiece of his front-running campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, has raised more money from paid lobbyists than any other senator over the past 15 years, federal records show.

Kerry, a 19-year veteran of the Senate who fought and won four expensive political campaigns, has received nearly $640,000 from lobbyists, many representing telecommunications and financial companies with business before his committee, according to Federal Election Commission data compiled by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

For his presidential race, Kerry has raised more than $225,000 from lobbyists, better than twice as much as his nearest Democratic rival. Like President Bush, Kerry has also turned to a number of corporate officials and lobbyists to "bundle" contributions from smaller donors, often in sums of $50,000 or more, records provided by his campaign show.
snip>

Kerry on Jan. 19 said he would "happily release any lobbyist meeting I've ever had," but has yet to do so. Cutter said Kerry will not release records until he compiles data on every meeting over the past 19 years, which will be a "pretty lengthy process." Kerry will not release it "piecemeal," she said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64727-2004Jan30.html?na...

[blm]

60. No. Point to the corporate pac or special interest pac money, slinkerwink.

Or admit the truth about how these figures were formulated and that Dean, too, could be made to appear even worse if his donations were presented using the same formula.

[XanaDUer]

27. My thoughts exactly,

people tend to go with what they know, no matter the consequences.

Oh, well.

[WI_DEM]

30. Howard Dean is a breath of fresh air

and if we are really going to get change in this country we should support someone who has taken Bush on and not supported him on such things as the Iraqi resolution, tax cuts for the rich, Leave no child behind (which is leaving everyone behind) and a host of other issues.

[slinkerwink]

33. exactly

[BattyDem]

41. Thanks for the link!

This ad is AWESOME! It gave me chills down my spine ... and I mean that in a good way. ;) The Dean Campaign should hire this guy ASAP

[slinkerwink]

42. thanks----this guy is a college student---amazing, isn't it?

[MAlibdem]

44. Why a Dean comeback will not happen

Howdy from Massachusetts to all. I guess because this is my first post (I've been reading the forum for a few weeks), I cannot start my own thread, but I think what I want to say basically fits under this post.

I do not think Howard Dean can generate more than 30% of the vote in any state in a Democratic Primary. I think he already peaked his support, and is past the point of getting new voters, now his has to win back his old ones. Where JFK appeals to a wide range of voters because of his steady hand, Dean seems to appeal only to the most angry, the most disenfranchised.

I went to NH on primary day to volunteer for JFK, and my experience led me both to further support his candidacy and hope that Dean does not win the nomination. There seemed to be a lack of civility around Dean supporters (I cannot speak to all of them, but I did meet quite a few) that, if off putting to me-an 18 year old liberal democrat-I am sure will be, and is, off-putting to voters going to vote. At one point during the day, my friends and I were going back to JFK volunteer HQ for lunch, leaving Kerry somewhat lacking in visibility at the polling station. I commented on it to my friend, who assured me that the Dean people were working against themselves and for us, so we could go ahead and get some lunch. And it really felt that way...between yelling at little kids, and voters, and being generally rude, the Dean supporters seemed to dissuade more voters than they did persuade them for Dean.

I think it's over, and more campaigning by rabid Dean supporters will only solidify that.

I realize some might think I am overly generalizing. I am. But I talked to many people who had been in NH for weeks and all of them felt similarly. So while I doubt all Deaniacs would tear down rivals' signs and get arrested at St. Anslem's College, enough do (or would if giving the opportunity) to tarnish Dean's campaign.

Also, that homemade commercial is crap, and over-simplified. Leftist reactionism is not a good replacement for compromising centrism. We need a President who thinks before he screams. A President who understands that issues are not black and white, not even shades of gray, but multi-colored and multi-dimensional, who understanded issues and problems, instead of reacting to them.

[XanaDUer]

52. Welcome!

:hi:

[mopinko]

81. hi there, but

i do not know what john kerry's middle name is, but even if it is frances, it gives me the creeps to see you refer to him as jfk.

[MAlibdem]

89. Forbes is Kerry's middle name

Haha, ok, from now on he's JFK 2.0: The Next Generation.

[RetroLounge]

102. Forbes???

Now there's a name that you wouldn't associate with right-wing money...

:eyes:

[mikehiggins]

46. Wow!

If you guys had run ads like that we'd still be attacking Dean after Iowa and New Hampshire instead of Kerry.

Great piece of work.

[slinkerwink]

51. I know, and that's why Joe trippi's ad agency sucked.....

we need hard-hitting ads like these.

[caledesi]

47. Thanks for the post SW. Run Howard Run! nt

[XanaDUer]

49. Here is where Dean's own closest advisors reveal what Dean Really Is:

"It’s Business As Usual, Starring HOWARD DEAN
"The joke among a lot of Vermont Republicans was that they didn't need to run anyone for governor because they basically had one in office already," said Harlan Sylvester, a conservative Democratic stockbroker and longtime adviser to Dean.

(St. Petersburg Times, July 6, 2003)"



http://www.optimalprime.org/archives/001435.html

***************************************************************

Dean, a "Republican in drag."

[HazMat]

55. Dean is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day

It doesn't really matter if you think Dean is more correct on the issues or not; the American people will never vote for a draft dodging lefty (fake lefty) in a time of war.

It doesn't matter how "good" you think Dean's message is; nobody is going to elect him President .. not now .. not 4 or 8 years from now.. never.

The problem isn't really the message it's the messenger. Dean can't get elected; therefore it doesn't matter what he says, or what his supporters think.


edit: meant to reply to thread topic, not #49.

[slinkerwink]

58. the american people voted for Clinton who dodged the draft

[HazMat]

61. Not in a time of war

Even Clinton himself says that if he were running today he'd never win. Back then that issue didn't matter ; in a post 9-11 world where 'the American Soldier' is Time Person of the Year, it matters a great deal ; where foreign policy/military cred is not just a nice resume point, but a requirement.

Besides, Dean is no Clinton. Dean would love nothing more than to destroy the Clinton wing of the Democratic party and return us to a time when Democrats lost 49 states.

[janx]

62. Dean did not dodge the draft.

.

[HazMat]

63. Whatever

Dean was a rich kid who got a 1y deferment and went skiing while men like John Kerry bled in Vietnam.

[janx]

73. That is a very old and crippled argument.

.

[HazMat]

79. oldie but goodie

[janx]

82. Whatever floats your boat, as they say.

;-)

Most people see through it.

[zulchzulu]

65. Attacking Kerry ain't gonna float the sinking ship

Dean is a desperate man now. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him.

As for Dean and his history of accepting special interest money while governor in Vermont, plenty of dirt could be thrown right back into his face.

Perhaps you might want to peruse the details:
http://24hour.startribune.com/24hour/politics/story/1113285p-7757540c.html

I'm guessing that Russert is going to have quite a bit of fun with Howard tomorrow. The jig is up.

[blm]

66. Waiting for proof of corporate or special interest pac money, slinkerwink.

Surely you must have it if you are making such claims against Kerry.

[Blitz]

67. Slink

Just curious. What will you post about once Dean drops out? Will you continue to attack Kerry or whoever the Dem nominee turns out to be?

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, what's hypocritical is someone posting a thread about their candidate and telling people to post only positive comments and then, almost immediately thereafter, posting another thread gratuitously bashing another candidate.

We're going to win in New Hampshire!! Nope!
We're going to South Carolina!!! to fight for fourth!!
We're going to Oklahoma!!!! For a shot at third ... if we're lucky!
We're going Arizona!!!!! For nachos and a shot at second ... maybe
We're going to North Dakota!!!!!!! Maybe I haven't alienated them yet!!
We're going to New Mexico!! Because, you know, Si se puede and all that ... wait, that isn't Spanish for where the hell did all of my money go?
We're going to California!!! To ask Arnold for a job ... because he can appreciate a man who can PUMP YOU UP!!
We're going to Texas!!! Because I have to use my confederate flag campaign posters somewhere!
And New York!! Because I've chartered this shiny campaign jet and I'm not getting the money back and boy, wasn't that a smart use of campaign funds. If you're gonna lose, lose in style, I say!!

"We will not give up in Arizona or New Mexico, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan." Um, I didn't really mean that!! Trippi made me say it!!

Dean is done.

[HazMat]

68. Yes, he is

Go home Howard.

[Anwen]

70. So by your logic

Dean, Clark, Edwards, Kucinich, Lieberman, and Sharpton should all "go home" because they didn't come in first in Iowa or NH? So Kerry is automatically the nominee after two small states and the rest should give up?

Pleeeeease.

[Blitz]

71. Edwards still has an outside shot

Clark has a little life in him. The rest of the pack, including Lieberman, won't win but aren't doing real harm by staying in. Dean has no chance to win but he is savaging Kerry on his way down. Eventually, he and his non-transferrables will go away. The only question is, how much damage will they do before that happens?

[Anwen]

85. Dean has no chance to win?

I disagree. Dean mad a strong second in NH despite the media's rabid obsession with his "unpresidential" behavior. And he has just as good of a shot as Edwards does as getting the nod. Next Tuesday is Edwards best shot at breaking away from the pack, so we'll see what happens. But Dean is extremely popular in the west, much more so than Edwards.

And as we all know, polls are fickle and can literally change overnight. You never know what's going to happen, so ruling Dean out at this point is definitely jumping the gun.

[joshcryer]

114. Dean's comeback in NH proves that he has staying power.

This is a fact that many people can't comprehend. He was slated to be dead last in NH. His people got on the ground and made things happen, bringing out 36% of all voters who never voted before. The more they work at it the better they'll get at it. Such a campaign has never been tried before.

[janx]

75. Is this really necessary? n/t

[Blitz]

77. Depends

Will it help stop some of dean's more, shall we say "zealous," supporters from constantly smearing his opponents while simultaneously trying to claim victim status?

This has little to do with Dean. Like I said, he's done. It has more to do with hypocrisy and a strange cult of personality.

[Lori Price CLG]

69. Dr. Dean's reference to Bush's foreknowledge of the 9-11 terrorist attacks

I view as positive Dr. Dean's courage in making a reference to Bush's possible foreknowledge of the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

It is amazing how people are not talking about the mini-coups that have occurred in Amerika followed the coup d'etat in 2000: the installation of Reichwing Arnold Schwarzenegger in California and the distorted media coverage of Governor Howard Dean as soon as he made comments about Bush's foreknowledge of the 9-11 terrorist attacks, possibly paving the way for the 'optical scanners' in New Hampshire to do the rest.

Cheers,
Lori R. Price
Citizens For Legitimate Government

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. But he quickly back off on that

saying that it was only he did not blieve it.

[janx]

74. Slink, the links here suggest these might be from Wash U.

Are they?

(Make me proud and tell me they are!)

[slinkerwink]

76. it's from a college kid in missouri

[janx]

78. I knew it! This is GREAT!

Washington University--St. Louis, MO

[blm]

95. Does that kid have proof of corporate pac $$$ to Kerry or admit the truth?

Please post.

[youngred]

86. So, Wait

you like him because he attacks other democrats and brings division to the party?

[slinkerwink]

87. no, because Dean is showing why Kerry would be a weak GE candidate

[blm]

88. By misrepresenting Kerry's donations as being tainted pac money?

When are you going to present the facts about your post, slinkerwink and explain what formula was used to come up with those figures?

[youngred]

91. Dean would be a weaker candidate than Kerry for the GE

as he is a straight moderate on many positions.

He hasn't showed anything too wrong about Kerry, but he has created a lot of divisiveness (as has Kerry, but not as much).

That however, is not a reason TO like someone. So the question stands you like him becuase he is divisive and attacks other dems?

[progressivebydesign]

99. Guess what? The Democrats will vote for the Democrat.

All we need is the level of participation we have right now of the new voters on the Democratic side, and some on the Republican side that have had it with Bush.. and we win. Gore won the popular vote. I'm not worried about this bullshit "electability" I keep hearing. Know any Democrats that will vote for Bush? I don't. If we keep up the GOTV efforts, and fight election fraud, any Democrat would win.

[youngred]

103. I am not worried about electability either

but that still doesn't adress the question I asked her.

Dean could still beat Bush, but I don't think he's the msot qualified candidate

[RetroLounge]

105. Duh, It's a primary dude.

politics and all.

[youngred]

107. No kidding

but one can't scream "We're being abused he's attacking us" out one side of the mouth and then attack a man in recovery from cancer or call fellow Dems, republicans out the other

[DIBL]

90. He also called Clark a Republican for the second time

Refering to Kerry he said, "It turns out we've got more than one Republican in the race".

Why did he have to say that??

Every time I start warming up to Dean he goes and ruins it with another snide comment like this. I guess my first impression of him as arrogant and divisive was true after all.

[RetroLounge]

106. Prove that you've ever warmed up to Dean.

Didn't think so...

[RetroLounge]

112. Perhaps he meant bush*

I don't know.

The Yahoo story on that quotes him using Clark's name, while the Washington Post story does not.

[Zomby Woof]

92. Dean is in 4th in AZ now

Barely polling at 9%. I love the smell of toast in the desert breeze.

[zulchzulu]

94. That's exactly where Dean wants to be

Really. He wants to do badly in Arizona so that he will do well on Super Tuesday. Yep. That's the ticket.

[ozone_man]

100. So you don't care that Kerry is special interest clone.

Votes for IWR and the Patriot Act. I don't think your Kucinich would approve of that either, just my guess.

[Zomby Woof]

104. this thread isn't about DK

It's about the smell of toast coming from Tucson.

The smell of desperation from a floundering and failing campaign.

I love the smell of toast in the morning. It's the smell of Democratic party victory over the phony Dr. Dean.

[RetroLounge]

108. and DK is at what, %2? %3?

burnt toast with a Kerry Supporter spreading the jelly on it.

[Zomby Woof]

113. This isn't about DK

This is about the failing candidacy of Dean. I am staying on-topic.

[Hoppin_Mad]

93. Thanks Slinky - " We have just BEGUN to fight " ! -nt-

[ozone_man]

96. This is great slink.

I think Dean should keep exposing Kerry all the way to the convention. Some of these home made commercials are fantastic.

[Polemonium]

98. special interest clone - ha ha

I was just thinking, if your sitting in your corporate board room, and your not in big oil or with Haliburton, which Democratic candidate would you want to hedge your bet with, so you could still send lobbiest Joe to badger the administration about who got who into the White House. Well it seems obvious that Kerry is where the corporate money is going followed by Edwards.

[RetroLounge]

109. One of many reasons Ilike Dean and will support him

until the end.

Because John Kerry is just another Democrat who has been around the Senate way too long.

All these great ideas and policy changes? What's Kerry been doing about it for 20 plus years???

John Kerry: A good reason for Term Limits...

[David Zephyr]

110. Slinkerwink, Very Powerful "Homemade" Video Spots.

Thank you very much for sharing these with us here.

Howard Dean should use those videos. Every word is accurate.

:hi:

[joshcryer]

111. Why is it ‘smearing’ to point out Kerry's recent voting record?

The Patriot Act, IWR, NCLB, etc, these are all... extremely important topics for Democrats today. They ought to be mentionable without supporters crying foul.