"Tens of thousands of Indians waving flags, chanting Death to Bush"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

Note from B_E_B: The Bush protests are one thing, the "Death to America" bullshit is another. That sentiment only makes me want to invite "Wednesday's protesters" to go fuck themselves, whether their anger is fueled by Bush or NOT. Ignorance is ignorance, hate is hate, and I'd be very curious to see what would happen if men and women took to the streets of America chanting "Death To India." Just my 2 cents worth...not looking for approval or agreement or a lecture on political correctness from anyone, thank you very much.

:patriot:

Thousands of Indians Protest Bush Visit

By NIRMALA GEORGE, Associated Press Writer
Wed Mar 1, 10:51 AM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/india_us_protests

NEW DELHI - Tens of thousands of Indians waving black and white flags and chanting "Death to Bush!" rallied Wednesday in New Delhi to protest a visit by President Bush. Surindra Singh Yadav, a senior police officer in charge of crowd control, said as many as 100,000 people, most of them Muslim, had gathered in a fairground in central New Delhi ordinarily used for political rallies.



"Whether Hindu or Muslim, the people of India have gathered here to show our anger. We have only one message — killer Bush go home," one of the speakers, Hindu politician Raj Babbar, told the crowd.



Bush arrives in India later Wednesday for a three-day visit focused on strengthening the emerging strategic partnership between India and the United States. Dozens of protests have been planned by Islamic leaders and communist politicians.



While Bush remains more popular in India than he is in many other countries, some here object to U.S. policies, especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. India, an overwhelmingly Hindu nation of more than 1 billion people, has the world's second-largest population of Muslims. Wednesday's protesters carried placards that read: "Bully Bush, Go Home," and "Death to America, Death to Bush."

[BIgJohn83]

1. I wonder if Chris Matthews thinks the majority of the people...

IN THE WORLD are whack-jobs because they hate Dubya???

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. Indians in India seem to have more rights than Americans.

[Sparkman]

21. India is worlds LARGEST democracy, Ghandi booted out Brits, sans violence

They are smarter politically than the U.S., HOW MANY IMPERIAL ESCAPADES HAVE THEY LOST?
S. Korea (my uncle died there), Vietnam (bros. best friend's bro died there), AND they refused to endorse this Iraq LIE for bloody OIL company profits.
SO, get used to democracies AROUND THE WORLD expressing fear & loathing towards us.
Thank you, chicken hawks, RWers, war-profiteers and Oil company sycophants. The planet was united against the terrorists (Saudi nationals), UNTIL you got your way and implemented your PNAC and Office of Special Plans NEO-Fascist war against the innocent Iraqis.

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. They are smarter, but they also have massive poverty issues

that will be impossible to resolve if their middle class becomes as self-interested as ours became.

[fujiyama]

47. Good post

and I agree - especially about a middle class getting self absorbed. They have a large and growing middle class and demand has grown for consumer goods.

Unfortunately it almost seems like the human condition though - you start doing better for yourself and forget the rest of society.

India has made great progress, and its Democracy is likely its greatest asset, but I sense a huge disconnect between the middle class and politicians (many seem extremely apathetic to politics - to the point of cyncism where their vote doesn't matter). Corruption is also rampant. The ME ME ME mentality is common among the middle class.

I have some family there and thaht's the sense I get among some.

[BoneDaddy]

31. i hear you but...

it does bother me that other countries will involve themselves in "death to America" chants and anti-american rallies because they are obviously not paying attention to our politics. If they were informed the leaders would best send the message of anti-Bush and not the totality of all Americans. If they were paying attention, they could stand in solidarity with at least 1/2 the American people who are vehemently anti-bush ourselves.

I understand their anger, but I don't agree with this particular global sentiment to all americans. Not cool.

[Sparkman]

33. Predictable response to the Imperial Death Star known as .... best to stop

[BoneDaddy]

41. Not to sure what you mean with ...

the star wars reference...please explain.

[radio4progressives]

37. yes, it should bother us all. please consider this fact.:

we as a people, as a nation are soley responsible for allowing our leaders to engage in imperliast militarism in their regions - we as a people, caused the deaths of hundreds of millions around the world, certainly hundreds of thousands if not more in their part of the globe, and we the people have not done our due dilligence to be decent citizen nation. our trade policies by the way has also done great harm to their agricultural communties, more than most people here, are aware.

they have a lot of reason to hate us and to wish that we simply vanished from this planet. I can't personally say that I blame them for those sentiments, it is a natural human thing to hate the person that is murdering you.

[BoneDaddy]

42. I agree

It is just a shame that it becomes such a black and white issue.

[raccoon]

44. I see what you're saying but think how many Americans don't

give a happy rat's arse about all the Iraqi civilians who have died, lost loved ones, and/or been disabled.

All too often, people of a country hate ALL the people of the enemy country, when the hate would be more properly directed to the ones in power.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

10. His head may well explode.

He's in the dim, vacant 20% who will ALWAYS have a woody for Dubya. They'll never get it.

Everybody else can see that he's just a dumbass puppet. Oh, yeah, and a mass-murderer.

:banghead:

[IronLionZion]

43. The vast majority of humanity is outside the mainstream

only a few elite Republicans are actually mainstream.

Never forget that war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

[rocktivity]

2. If THEY say it's "tens" of thousands

It's AT LEAST one hundred thousand.

:headbang:
rocknation

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. Are they corraled in Freedom pens?

[Sparkman]

23. Are their homeland security spooks PHOTOGRAPHING each protestor

and sending in planted infil-TRAITORS to single out protest organizers or leaders for trumped up charges, false imprisionment in sordid dirt floor garages? Just who's FREEDOMS are they supposed to be hating, OURS?! give me a break. Warrantless spying and wiretapping and bank record screwing, without cause, Patriot Act 2 is Fascism Incarnate.

[IronLionZion]

45. There isn't enough steel in the world...

to fence in the indomitable Indian spirit.

[Fridays Child]

5. Bush has done this. All anger should be directed toward him, exclusively.

It's human nature to see the group and its leader as synonymous. Please don't blame Indians for expressing their anger in that way.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

11. I'm not blaming them...

...I'm definitely pissed off and offended by what they said, but I (relucatantly) understand the chain of events that led to their saying it. I don't accept it...but I understand it.

And yeah, you're absolutely correct: "It's human nature to see the group and its leader as synonymous."

I'm just disappointed in the kind of human nature that leads to statements like "Death To America."

[Fridays Child]

12. I hear you.

:thumbsup:

[confuddled]

20. The monster represents this country -

apparently with the consent of this democracy. I am pissed off and offended by the leader of this country whose behavior leads to sentiments like "Death to America". Maybe we should be on the streets making it more clear that Bush does not represent America.

[Sparkman]

26. Organize, organize, organize...and watch your back and your job security.

Because if you work in a "defense" plant, with no union, you will not be there long afterward.
If you're with the police department, some major harassment from your partners.
If you're in public office, protesting in the street will lose your corporate backing.
If you're a news caster, Phil Donahue, Connie Chung, Dan Rather, opposing this Fascist Regime will cost you big time, friend.
If any of you think it's SOCIALISTIC is opposing the Fascists in D.C., you're part of the problem.

[radio4progressives]

38. The Human Nature Of Imperialist Leaders leads to anti-American Sentiments

:cry:

[f-bush]

14. However...

half this fucking country elected the idiot and if they truly didn't (which I feel that shrub cheated) then we should be taking to the streets just like the people of India, otherwise we are accomplices to the fraud that is sitting the WH

[az chela]

18. I agree that the people in this country should be the ones

On the streets protesting.We should spend every weekend carrying signs and chanting NO MORE BUSH-NO MORE WAR

[Sparkman]

27. Mail your envelopes, EACH & EVERY one, with a peace sign short note...

I use:
Bush lied-OIL is why
Iraq is Bush's Vietnam
Iraq is a QUAGMIRE
Support the troops-Get out of Iraq
Impeached Clinton for what again?
IRAQ-30,000 U.S. casualties
Iraq-longer than WWII
Support our Troops, IMPEACH Bush
Bush killed 100,000 Iraqis!

They letter count really grows fast, over the last THREE YEARS Four or five ROLLS OF STAMPS!
I just realized, that's over 400 letters with peace messages, see.

[Spike from MN]

32. Correction...

one quarter of this fucking country elected the idiot (in a rigged election). One quarter voted for Kerry and the remaining half of the population couldn't be bothered to get off their lazy asses and vote. If half of the country can't take a few minutes out of their lives to get out and vote, they sure as hell won't be taking to the streets anytime soon. And f-bush, I agree with you about the accomplices bit.

[mmonk]

6. What are they doing outside the free speech zones?

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Free speech is a wonderful thing.

[Nutmegger]

8. Bush Inc has turned this country into something foreign

At least they get out. Too many folks here in the US of A don't even know they have that right.

I'm referring to the poll where "Americans" can name Simpson's characters over what's guaranteed in the First Amendment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2138991&mesg_id=2138991

[Cocoa]

9. those are the liberal elites

All the authentic people are in the U.S. Midwest, South and Dubai, the rest of the world is the blue state Volvo-driving elites.

[PassingThrough]

13. There have always been these types of demo when American Presidents

go overseas and their probably always will be. Atleast he is in a country that has the right to protest.

[bpilgrim]

35. not like this...

just look at Clinton's trips compared to this war criminal.

this is much bigger than the standard protests... and i've got the pictures to prove it ;->
http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[bvar22]

15. For contrast...Bill Clinton in India

5 years and one failure of a president makes a lot of difference.
I was unable to find the pictures I remember from Clinton's 2000 visit to India. These pictures showed him walking openly among huge crowds of locals.
Some of Bill Clinton's Pro-Corporate economic policies have been devastating to the American Working Class, but America has never had a more capable represenative on the Foreign Stage.

[PassingThrough]

16. There were protest against him also. There are always protest.

One of hundreds of links:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/690160.stm


I never see why people make a big deal out of overseas protest. There is always someone somewhere that is going to protest something. Its called freedom...

[TexasLawyer]

17. More Pictures

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

22. Well, that's definitely at least 100,000 people...

Bush is just spreadin' freedom, spreadin' hope, all the hope 'n' freedom you can eat.

:grr:

[tanyev]

19. Americans may not be chanting it in the streets, but I'm sure there

are quite a few that proudly display bumperstickers like these. It's just as bad.

[iconocrastic]

24. Tens of thousands of MUSLIMS waving flags, chanting Death to Bush

[mmonk]

40. Did you poll them?

[Bluesplayer]

25. All this would happen here too

if we lived in a society that was still as free as India.

[Sparkman]

34. Notice how few of DUers attend protests...it's a BIG gamble on a job or

worse. They have extraordinary rendition, which has resulted in years of imprisionment and documented DEATH to "detainees". Recommend the movie "SUNSHINE" by Istvan Szabo. 1st class epic on the generations of the Hungarians social cycles. Monarchy, Fascism, Communism. With a great fictional character's families experiences.

[az chela]

39. At least they are allowed to protest.If we do it we get locked up

Cant even carry an anti bush sign or wear a shirt protesting the war!!!!

[KansDem]

28. Wow!!! No wonder Il Duce skipped on to Afghanistan! (eom)

Andy, tell Dick I'm off to Afghanistan! I don't want to play cowboy and Indians any more...!!!

[sofa king]

29. Wow, those are really nice signs and props.

The artwork on the signs is about the best I've seen lately. When the Republicans get knocked out of government and half of the Party leadership has their citizenship revoked for high crimes, I'll bet dollars to dimes that they'll outsource their protest gear to these guys.

For comparison, the domestic version:

[Rocknrule]

36. Wow, that's the largest display of violent intentions

I've ever heard from India

Just goes to show how much this man is hated

[Krist]

46. Mostly communists and muslims, not all Indians

Most of the protestors were communist parties (who hate anything/everything due to historical reasons - US is an imperialist power, etc) and Muslim parties (who apparently hate anything/everything American due to wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Cartoon issue). Dont think the hindu right wing opposition or the ruling parties hate us over there.

I bet some of us might be uncomfortable with those "Death to USA", "Kill Bush" chants raised by these people. Though I hail from Texas, am not a Bush supporter, but I'd be a tad bit angry if he were murdered in a foreign country by Islamic terrorists or rabid communists.

[fujiyama]

48. Sad thing is

this is one of the only countries in the world that actually still has a POSITIVE impression of the US according to Pew.

Which basically goes to show how unpopular he really is.

While there are always protests for US presidents, this is very unique. No other individual has been so disliked world wide in probably half a century.