Somebody is trying to provoke a civil war in Iraq: Robert Fisk

[whirlygigspin]

The real question I ask myself is: who are these people who are trying to provoke the civil war? Now the Americans will say it's Al Qaeda, it's the Sunni insurgents. It is the death squads. Many of the death squads work for the Ministry of Interior. Who runs the Ministry of Interior in Baghdad? Who pays the Ministry of the Interior? Who pays the militia men who make up the death squads? We do, the occupation authorities.

Broadcast: 03/02/2006 ABC - Australia - Lateline


http://207.44.245.159/article12137.htm

There's much more to this than meets the eye. All of these death squads that move around are part of the security forces. In some cases they are Shiite security forces or clearly Sunni security forces. When the Iraqi army go into Sunni cities they are Shiite soldiers going in. We are not making this clear. Iraqi troops, we've got an extra battalion. The Iraqi army is building up. The Iraqi army is split apart. Somebody is operating these people. I don't know who they are. It's not as simple as we're making it out to be. What is this thing when Bush says we have to choose between chaos and unity? Who wants to choose chaos? Is it really the case that all of these Iraqis that fought together for eight years against the Iranians, Shiites and Sunnies together in the long massive murderous Somme-like war between the Iranians and Iraqis - suddenly all want to kill each other? Why because that's something wrong with Iraqis? I don't think so. They are intelligent, educated people. Something is going seriously wrong in Baghdad.

I mean, there is something wrong in the narrative sequence that we've been given. You know, the idea that the Sunni community is suddenly sacrificing themselves en mass, strapping explosive belts to themselves and blowing themselves up all over Iraq because they don't have power anymore is a very odd reflection. I think what is going on among the Sunni community is much simpler. The Sunnis are not fighting the Americans because they don't have power and they're not fighting the Americans just to get them out - and they will get them out eventually. They are fighting the Americans so that they will say, "We have a right to power because we fought the occupying forces and you, the Shiites, did not," which is why it's very important to discover now that Moqtada al-Sadr, who has an ever-increasing power base among the Shiite community, is himself threatening to fight the British and Americans. Now, if the Shiites and Sunnies come together, as they did in the 1920s in the insurgency against the British, then we are finished in Iraq.

[welshTerrier2]

1. "then we are finished in Iraq"

Fisk concluded with "if ... then we are finished in Iraq" ...

His speculations about the Sunnis and Shiites are interesting ... but even absent such speculations, we are already finished in Iraq ... there is zero progress being made there ... staying longer will only make the situation worse and the US politics are growing more intense everyday ...

[Clark2008]

13. Oh, I believe there is progress - but not the kind the average

American envisions.

The progress being made is the neo-con attempt to keep the Middle East in flux and chaos so that the United Corporate States of Amerika can loot their natural resources. If that is the progress that the administration secretly wants, then it's working.

[gasperc]

2. what, the dead enders? the last throws

oh please, do tell, we've been bombing and shooting up the place for three fucking years now, please, please do tell

[tatertop]

3. Fisk is always awesome

[Karmakaze]

4. That man always manages to find something....

that I had never thought of, but once I read am 100% sure is truth. "We have a right to power because we fought the occupying forces and you, the Shiites, did not," Of course! it was so obvious and yet it never occurred to me. That is exactly what is going on, and in fact is very much like the French resistance during WWII. They had numerous partisan groups, many with diametrically opposed political viewpoints, and that sometimes came to blows. They did the same thing - often times fighting the Germans purely to establish credibility for the post-war negotiations over the leadership of the nation.

Even if this civil war type fighting is not being manipulated externally, it is a sign that the wrtiting is on the wall. Up to now, the factions have been concerned about fighting the Americans, but now they seem more focussed on each other, with the Americans being an afterthought. This can mean only one thing - they are positioning themselves for Iraq post occupation. They now feel that American occupation is going to end, and probably soon. That sort of confidence is unbeatable.

[American_74911003]

7. I believe the "Partisan Groups" scenario, is what we have seen

up to now. Numerous groups with their own agenda, fighting the "occupiers" for one reason or another. The largest percentage of the population standing on the outside, wanting us to leave, but contented for then, with a passive role. Now they are being killed in greater numbers, and can no longer hope to remain non violent, hoping the Americans can maintain order, as more and more civilians become casualties to not only Insurgents, Terrorists, and indiscriminate American attacks, but now to internal Political and religious groups.

As any student or law enforcement people will tell you, interceding in domestic violence will get you killed faster than interceding in a criminal act. If the violence becomes extreme, stepping in to prevent it, will usually get the parties involved to stop, just long enough to turn on you, and deal with the threat you now pose, and then continue on.

We could quickly become everyones enemy, with everyone armed.

[newyawker99]

15. Hi American_74911003!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[robcon]

5. Fisk is a fantasist

His conspiracy theories are legend.

[truth2power]

6. They are??? How's that?

[leesa]

9. He's usually quite accurate and what he says usually is found to be truth

much later. Where do you get YOUR fantasies?

[leesa]

8. Let's see....who wants a war to last 30 years??? Bush and Cheney

and the rest of the war profiteers in our government?

[AtomicKitten]

10. The Bushies have pinned this on al Queda.

God forbid they be blamed for their monster blunder.

Still, the news organizations continue to refer to this as a sectarian conflict.

[NativeTexan]

11. Civil War? It is being antagonized by those wanting .........

....us the hell out of there! THEN they can decide their OWN destiny...either by democracy of some kind, or civil war...but it is THEIR decision to make. Not Bush and his oil profit bed buddies.

[whirlygigspin]

12. in Iraq: more false-flag terror

maybe this can help explain it:

False-flag synthetic terror "events" generally advance long-term strategic objectives.
Here, we have a top insider among the neo-con policy gurus, explaining a central motive for staging the bombing of a highly symbolic target:: the Great Golden Mosque of Samarra.
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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1582736.ht ...

DR DANIEL PIPES: Well, in the first place, there would be fewer attacks on
our forces in Iraq as they fight each other. More broadly outside Iraq.
There would be fewer attacks on us as the Shi'ites and the Sunnis attack
each other......TONY JONES: Isn't it far too cold-blooded a calculation for the invading
force to say, "Well if the Shi'ia and Sunni are shooting and killing each
other, at least they're not shooting at us?"
DR DANIEL PIPES: Let me emphasise I do not want them to be shooting each
other. I wish that the communities found a way to work together. I'm just
saying should there be a civil war, it is not necessarily all that bad for
our interests....
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There you have it: a transparent MOTIVE for programming chaos, confusion, shock and awe .... to advance long-term plans for the balkanization, break-up and future plunder of Iraq.
As to MEANS and OPPORTUNITY (bombers "disguised" as members of Iraqi police/security forces) ...
... well... we can certainly figure that out for ourselves, cant' we ?

[Demand Justice]

14. just watched the video

Robert Fisk nails it
http://media4.abc.net.au/winlibrary/200603/20060302_Fisk_16_9_nband.wmv