The "capitalists" vs the "nationalists"....

[kentuck]

The Dubai port sale has created some odd bedfellows. It seems that the true "capitalists" do not see any threat from the sale. They support it for business reasons. Some Democrats have joined many Republicans in defense of this sale. They are "capitalists".

But some Republicans have joined many Democrats in opposition to this sale. They sense a possible national security risk. They oppose it for those reasons. They are "nationalists". At this time, the "nationalists" outnumber the "capitalists" about 2 to 1 ...

[Vincardog]

1. "capitalists" = FASCISTs

[Bluzmann57]

2. A real capitalist is not a bad person

Someone who has built a business by hard work, giving good service, treating employees like humans rather than pieces of machinery and has gotten rich by doing it, there's nothing wrong with that. I happen to have a (very) small business, and I'd sure not mind expanding someday. If I expand, I invest more money, hire an employee or two (right now it's a part time business employing only me), and help out the economy. It does work, just not in the form it's taken recently.

[AX10]

3. Exactly! I call them "True Capitalists".

:kick:

[Daphne08]

4. There is nothing wrong with capitalism per se, and I am tired of

people demonizing it.

It is capitalism with no controls (or what I refer to as "unfettered" capitalism) that is the problem in my opinion.

[kentuck]

6. But capitalism fights against "controls"...

and has a natural tendency toward an unfettered state. They have the power so no one is going to stop them.

[leftofthedial]

5. serving capitalism is identical to being a fascist

it is an evil system guaranteed to destroy our species, if not the planet.

[Vincardog]

7. The Capitalists in the OP are FASCIST

Capitalism without a soul is a dire beast that strangles the life out of society.

[High Plains]

8. Some of us "internationalists" are not especially pro-capitalist.

I see this port deal pretty much as business as usual. Global companies doing things in various countries. Happens all the time and will continue, barring socialist revolution, for which I am not holding my breath.

I see much of the criticism of it as based on a combination of ignorance, nativism, and Arabophobia.

I think the national security concerns are pretty much a crock, cooked up by disingenuous and unscrupulous politicians (sorry for being redundant) in both parties.

But boy, does this issue make for strange bedfellows. I get very uncomfortable agreeing with Bush on anything, or David Brooks, for that matter. On the other hand, who's leading the call to arms on this? Guys like Michael Savage and Michael Ledeen.

[Popol Vuh]

9. Here's what Benito Mussolini said

Listen to this audio file quoting Benito Mussolini in a speech made by him on November 14, 1933. The excerpt quoted below from this audio file starts at the 3min point of this audio file. The whole 1hr of this audio file is a good listen.

http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=1071

"The National Council Of Corporations defines corporations as the instrument which, under the aegis of the state, carries out the complete organic and totalitarian regulation of production with a view to the expansion of the wealth, political power and well being of the Italian people. The National Council Of Corporations declares that the number of corporations to be formed for the main branches of production should be, on principle, adequate to meet the real needs of national economy. The National Council Of Corporations establishes that the general staff of each corporation shall include representatives of state administration, of the fascist party, of capital, of labor and of experts. The National Council Of Corporations assigns to the corporations as their specific tasks: conciliation, consultation, compulsory on problems of major importants and the promulgation through the National Council Of Corporations of laws regulating the economic activities of the country. The National Council Of Corporations leaves to the grand council of fascism the decision on the further developments of a constitutional and political order which should result from the effective formation and practical working of the corporations." -- Benito Mussolini

[mdmc]

10. why is that, kentuck?... and good morning!.

I still think this is racism based on 5 years of white house + M$M fear. FEAR da TERRA!

[The2ndWheel]

11. Yet nations are dead, or at the very least, slowly dying

If it's not DPW, it'll be someone else. It already was. It already is, with other ports.

We're all a step behind. We still start from the nation-state point of view. Corporations are governments, and governments are corporations. There is a global elite, including all different genders and shades of humanity. They are winning.

There is no American, Chinese, or Indian economy. There really is no America, China, or India.

They are not "our" jobs, and they never were. It's all temporary.

[kentuck]

12. Even Lincoln warned us about corporations...

It's been a slowly decaying process on our nation since the beginning. It's always been about business. Why are there different laws when we can define it as private, rather than public? Corporations are permitted to infringe upon individual rights as no one in public life is permitted to do. Need we count the ways?

[Silent3]

13. In a battle between greed and jingoism...

...who do you root for? :shrug:

Not that there aren't valid economic, political, and security arguments to be made on both sides of the Dubai port sale, but let's be honest about where a lot of the passion probably comes from on both sides.