Lieberman on War and Peace vs Lieberman on domestic issues

[Douglas Carpenter]

First let me point out that even on issues of War and Peace; although Sen. Lieberman's voting record is well below average by Democratic Party standard - it is still significantly better than almost any Republican including a so-called moderate Republican like Sen. McCain.

Sen. Lieberman voting record on most domestic-social issues is essentially moderately liberal. However one must also keep in mind that he is a strong proponent of neoliberal economic ideology otherwise known as "free trade" and along with that a strong supporter of NAFTA and CAFTA.

The major problem many of us have with Sen. Lieberman is his staunch support for both the Iraq War and a militaristic/interventionist world view in general. Particularly annoying is his continual public support for Bush Administration war policies and public denunciation of Democrats who oppose them.

I don't think this is a minor point. Just as the Viet Nam War derailed the Democratic Party and the Great Society--the militarism and hegemonic philosophy of the GOP as well as Sen. Lieberman and Democrats who think like him may very well derail any serious advancement of a socially progressive agenda.

However, in fairness to Sen. Lieberman let again say that although his ratings on War/Peace issues are significantly below average by Democratic Party Senatorial standards they are far and away above even "moderate Republicans" like Sen. McCain.

Here is a look at interest group ratings of Sen. Lieberman both on War and Peace issues and domestic/social issues. I have contrasted them with Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Clinton, Sen. Allen and Sen. McCain.

War and Peace -- from Peace Majority -- a coalition of various peace groups - link: http://www.peacemajority.org/about.htm

Sen. Lieberman: Final Score: 13.0/52.0 votes = 25%

Sen. Kennedy: Final Score: 72.0/87.0 votes = 83%

Sen. Clinton: Final Score: 52.0/88.0 votes = 59%

Sen. Allen: Final Score: 3.0/88.0 votes = 3%

Sen. McCain: Final Score: 3.0/85.0 votes = 4%

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This is courtesy of project vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 33 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 67 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 0 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Peace Action 38 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Peace Action 75 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Peace Action 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Peace Action 13 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0 percent in 2004

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League 0 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 86 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 78 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 22 percent in 2003-2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 75 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 15 percent in 2004..

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 35 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 83 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 17 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 33 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 92 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 110 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 110 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 9 percent in 2004

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 9 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the National Education Association 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the National Education Association 80 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 85 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the National Education Association 25 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Education Association 35 percent in 2003-2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 88 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 13 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 25 percent in 2003-2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 95 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 7 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 14 percent in 2003-2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 80 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 25 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 0 percent in 2004.
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2003-2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 56 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 92 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 92 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 0 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 56 percent in 2003-2004

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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 83 percent in 2004.
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2004 Senator Lieberman supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Kennedy supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004

2004 Senator Allen supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 92 percent in 2004.

2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 72 percent in 2004.”

[Tom Joad]

1. I would be in favor of some leniency after his trial at the war

crimes tribunal.

[mdmc]

2. thanks for the data

:kick:
Ya see Bernie question the gang o four?:kick:

[Douglas Carpenter]

3. heard about it -- but I have not seen it yet..

[mdmc]

10. Joementum!

Here is that Bernie link http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17297

[Douglas Carpenter]

11. wow! that was great! thanx

[fujiyama]

4. Lieberman's problem

isn't so much his vote record, it's his vocal and adament support of Bush's foreign policy, especially on the war. Worse yet, I think it's his lecturing and sanctimonious attitude that pisses many off, like when he criticized Dems of "undermining the president's credibility at the nation's peril".

Each time he goes on a TV defending Bush, he gives credibility and cover to his policies. Basically those are RW talking points he's spewing.

[Douglas Carpenter]

5. well yes, it is ##@%$# annoying , the self-righteousness

and his rosy picture about all the wonderful progress in Iraq seems to suggest that he is being either disingenuous or delusional

[Hippo_Tron]

8. EXACTLY, he gets media time because he was Gore's running mate

And I don't mind his position so much as his attitude that says that those of us who disagree with him are undermining our nation's foriegn policy. That's like saying "you are helping the terrorists if you don't support the war" but in a kinder gentler way. Because Lieberman has told me that I am basically helping the terrorists I say that he can go fuck himself like all of the other rightwing chickenhawks no matter how he stands on other issues, period.

[leesa]

6. Who cares about this pychotic lunatic? Get rid of Lieberman.

Let him be a Republican, they want him.

[LittleClarkie]

7. Too fine a distinction for some folks

who think Dems are just like Repubs anyway.

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. I'm certainly not any apologist for Joe Lieberman

I just think that reality is frequently nuanced

[blindpig]

12. He has an excellent environmental voting record.

However, by enabling bu$h on his strongest issue he helps keep afloat the pirates who oppose all that he votes for. I expect that the voters of his state will insist upon good environmental creds for any candidate.